Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

Let me preface this by saying, i pay very little attention to UFC, don't know all the characters, their history etc. so blast away... below is just an observation...




I remember the very first UFC events and how excited we were to see full contact fighting and it came at a time when me and a couple friends were training 4-6hrs a day with karate.

here is how i remember everything..

first fights:

- totally retarded. it was clear from the first moment that the show biz aspect was more important than the actual fights. one idiot came in dragging a cross saying he was fighting for jesus, other idiots like van clief (also studied and trained with some people that i did in Go Ju Ryu) dressed like captain america, jumping and dancing around and then getting knocked down in a few seconds.

it became instantly clear that rounds, weight classes etc were needed to make it entertaining. it also became clear that watching a boxer fight a wrestler was going to be boring as fuck 9 times out of 10.

from there...

grapplers started taking over. the boring factor shot through the roof. no rounds... just two guys hanging on to each other on the ground for 20-30 minutes (severen and oleg taktarov (spelling?)) come to mind. gracie as much as he was loved in the beginning was no better. no striking whatsoever and often the fights went on until we got bored and changed the channel because no one could end the fight. all he could do was keep walking at the person with both his hands up and straight out in front of him trying to get the guy against the cage so he could go for the take down. he would throw fake punches and kicks and it was extremely evident that he did not know how to do either.

we stopped caring or watching from that point. maybe it got better in the next fights.

then....

i remember grappling became a big part of UFC. tried watching it occasionally... boooooooooring.

i cared even less.

in recent times......

I started watching UFC again. noticed that almost all the fantasy and bullshit is gone. noticed rounds and weight classes adn that there was a rational, equal focus on a good stand up game and good ground game.
... so ok. i started watching it a little more.

THEN... i started watching pride. and thought FINALLY... exactly what full contact fighting is supposed to be. Something you will never hear in Pride which you hear non-stop in UFC -- "oh, he's in the guard position... this is where he's very comfortable" blah blah blah. in Pride, anytime i notice someone going to the ground, they are usually getting the fucking beating of their lives while on their back while the opponent stands above them and rains down total hell on them.

In my opinion, there is zero comparison between the best pride fighters and the best UFC fighters. CroCop, Fedor Emelianenko and many others are on a totally different level than any UFC fighters. Tito and Liddell aren't even well rounded fighters. Liddell is a brawler... Tito.. hmm... don't know. I never paid a lot of attention but when i watched him fight Liddell the last time, i saw a guy who had absolutely no idea what to do.. and when he did something, he was usually punished for his half assed attempts. I doubt he could last very long against the top Pride guys... but in UFC, he can be a champion.

Originally Posted by rayadp05

I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?