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I'm sorry...I couldn't stay away.Originally posted by abyss_al
Look Al, this is not a challenge. What would a challenge prove? That your
better than me? What would being better than me prove? That you can
shit all over your models and get away with it 'cause your better than me?
Two things man...you said in an earlier thread that you've been shooting longer
than me. Since your only 26 years old, that means you've been shooting since
you were 11 years old...or earlier. If you picked up a camera and started
learning to shoot at age 11 or earlier, my hats off to ya' bro'
Secondly, I think your a talented shooter man. I saw what you posted on
Sunny today and I was very impressed. So were a lot of other people who
saw those pics. People were impressed when you posted those pics of Bobbi
back in April. And you gladly thanked them for their positive remarks about
your work with Bobbi. So, you shot Bobbi, got some great pictures, raced
home to post them on GFY, got a bunch of positive response (feels good
doesn't it?) and then you dropped the ball on following thru with your
obligations to Bobbi. You didn't return her calls, her emails or her ICQs. See,
this is the part that I don't understand. Somehow you think that being a
great shooter is all there is to doing business...but your very wrong. People
don't want to do business with a liar, a thief and an all around asshole. It
says on your website...."Our team is experienced, professional, honest,
and hell-bent on producing the finest results possible for our clients." Well,
you've certainly proven otherwise today huh? Bobbi may not be a client but
without models you and your clients have no business. You can't fuck the
models out of what's theirs and expect that word doesn't get around....it will.
I would never say that my work is better than yours Al, cause I'm just a good
ol' humble country boy who tries to do my best. But I will say this.....I would
never jerk a model along for 4 months as you have for some fucking pictures
when I could take 10 minutes to burn a CD and shoot them out the door
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Will woj get one fiddy cheating photographers?Comment
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I hear ya.. Saturday night's another story though! Booyakasha! heh hehOriginally posted by SlyComment
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Oh and one more thing, you have yet to refute a single thing I have said. As I said, seems we know the same things...Originally posted by abyss_alas i recall... she told me you're one of his long term members on her site... wtf you know
P.S. I have done a few things to help out Bobbi on her site and therefore have a password. I have been a friend of hers for many years. Second time I ask; what has that to do with anything you did or I said? Happy shooting...Comment
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I just have to post here.
Al and Vee. I?ve been interested in doing business with you for quite some time. I?ve never had the chance to but I was interested. After this thread that has totally changed. I have to say you?ve been very unprofessional. If you made a deal just stick to it and give the damn content. I don?t care what the story is. Honor the deal. I don?t know Bobbi. But I know E and Dean and both are stand up guys. I think your words to E were ?You?re barking up the wrong tree.? I don?t know but from where I?m sitting I think you are the one barking up the wrong tree.
There are a lot of silent gfy readers that watch how people conduct themselves and choose whether or not to do business with them based on that. I am one of them. We spend huge bucks on content. E spends HUGE bucks on content. And there are many others reading this that do. All of which are coming to the conclusion that they won?t want to ever do business with you if this is how you handle situations. The client is always right and you need to make Bobbi happy instead of coming here and fueling the fire.Comment
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Originally posted by shap
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bingo. . . . .Comment
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Good post... Vanilla was planning to do some shoots with Al next month, but after everything I've read here, I don't think she'll be going.Originally posted by shap
Last edited by Stewie; 08-19-2005, 09:37 PM.Comment
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Originally posted by shap
Shap once again you are the voice of reason. Between the mystery pictures of sunny thread ( which were very nice) and this, it's all a bit disturbing.Comment
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wow, some heavy hitters in here laying it down!
wtg abyss
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Thanks for this eloquent post Shap. This was basically what I was trying to convey, but obviously I'm a little more excitable and I don't always have the smooth touch. heh hehOriginally posted by shap
Hopefully this post will make him realize the image he's presented here, but I doubt it. He'll probably come on here and slam you. (shrug)Comment
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Bobbi - your site looks really nice with the re-designComment
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Yep! Amazing! I'm still baffled!Originally posted by johnnyheyi've never seen anyones career/credibility go down the shitter faster than in this thread.
i think it's a new world record.
sad to watch it in publicComment
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Thanks hun! How are you doing? I love your stuff! We need to shoot sometime.Originally posted by Red Ezra
You promise you'll give me the pics right?
Just playin'!!!Comment
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You are absolutely right. you're the first person to come out and say things normaly... thats what should of been said from the begining.. calling people out and this and that just angers people.... everyone we have worked with,, from content to any other types of deal have been extremely happy with us...its just this time everything just went out of proportion.. no one is trying to hold anyones stuff.. we are uploading her stuff, it was never deleted,, the fact that she blew everything out of proportion by calling allen out on threads.. believe it or not it pisses people off... and the first thing that comes to a pissed off persons mind is.... pretty much fuck off...Originally posted by shap
we have been extremely busy in the past few months.. from moving offices to projects on top of projects that we havnt gotten around to some of the stuff that should of been taken care of to begin with. i just didnt like the fact that dean had to come and out of nowhere call us idiots and this and that... in fact in all of deans thread i have given him props on his excelent work.
fact is,, u cant fight fire with fire...Comment
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Bobbi I am not gay , if you are single and want a boy toy in NY lmk.Comment
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Bobbi btw , you are good looking I am good looking what else is needed right?Comment
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Fuck its 5 am wtf am I doing still up?Comment
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Did I mention that I am a really good cuddler?Comment
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I havent even read the thread ill read tomorrow.
I am straight male looking for love or lust whatever comes my wayComment
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GFY should be my personal blog.Comment
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Big E , If I was gay i would want to spoon with youComment
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btw dont mind my babble its 5 am , and I had to listen to Tim sing all nightComment
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29/m/ny
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I think i scared evryone from postingComment
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I wonder what Ill have for breakfast on Sat.Comment
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BTW any photographers want to shoot me?
I am coming out with a solo male site for myself.Comment
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Bobbi you can be my Cali G/FOriginally posted by Bobbi Doll
I want to have one in every state.Comment
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Please lady... or dude. Whoever you are! I blew it out of proportion? Puhlease!!! Your boyfriend or husband or partner whatever he is said he deleted my pics. What did I blow out of proportion? I asked him for my pics... he repeatedly ignored me. So then I was forced to ask on the boards which I did politely, may I remind you? Then I asked and reminded again in private and was told they were next day aired which obviously did not happen as it has been like 10 days and I haven't received anything. So don't tell me I blew anything out of proportion. I was nice until you guys with your FUCK OFF attitude when YOU GUYS are in the wrong is ridiculous. And everyone else here saw that. The only person standing up for Al is you! And I'm still not sure why you are when you are both in the wrong and that's about as crystal clear as it can get!Originally posted by Abyss_VeeLast edited by Bobbi Doll; 08-20-2005, 01:30 AM.Comment
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*singing* "I've got hos... in different area codes..."Originally posted by Juicy D. LinksComment
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amazing thread - very interesting read...Comment
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There's more here too... start at the very end of this page:Originally posted by MaDalton
http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=505314&page=2&pp=50Comment
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well, i'm not involved in this drama - and i don't want to get involved too...Originally posted by Bobbi Doll
it just reminded me that i forgot to take my blood pressure meds this morning. and maybe i'm not the only one...Comment
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The sad fact is, this is probably the closest Bobbi's going to come to getting an apology and it took this thread to get it.Originally posted by Abyss_Vee
The funny thing is, you thought you'd just be able to blow her off as some dumb model, not realizing that she has a lot of good friends and acquaintenances that would never let something this shitty happen to her. Well, you learned, didn't you? (at the expense of your business and your reputation)
The bottom line is this: YOU SHOULD HAVE GIVEN HER THE PICTURES YOU PROMISED HER IN A TIMELY MANNER. Four months isn't a timely manner. And you should have never trashed her on the board. She had a legitimate reason to bring this to the boards. She tried repeatedly to resolve this with you and when that failed, she was left with this as the only avenue.
This wil all be resolved when you send her a link to her content and she posts that the situation has been resolved satisfactorily. Otherwise, I promise you this will go on and on.
And don't blame Dean - he was just responding to your bullshit in this thread. He stood up and said what's right, which is why I respect him so much as a photographer and a person. It's much easier to just lurk silently than it is to stand up and be heard.Comment
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Haven't you ruined her enough for all other men already? =)Originally posted by Juicy D. Links
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No wait, that was JFK.. !!
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Originally posted by Abyss_Vee
"Everything is OK folks.....nobodies reputation is ruined because of this.
Nobodies pictures got deleted. Everybody will get what they were promised.
4 months delay and 4 pages of getting "owned" on GFY is just a misunderstanding.
We are good people...you are good people...we can work thru this. Our business is
still going strong! We are trustworthy, honest and dependable and we always
deliver what we promise."Comment
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I think you should be the first male model that Mac and Bumble shoots.. Dean, you up for it?Originally posted by Juicy D. Links
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LMFAO.. I haven't seen that one for a long time!Originally posted by DeanCapture
"Everything is OK folks.....nobodies reputation is ruined because of this.
Nobodies pictures got deleted. Everybody will get what they were promised.
4 months delay and 4 pages of getting "owned" on GFY is just a misunderstanding.
We are good people...you are good people...we can work thru this. Our business is
still going strong! We are trustworthy, honest and dependable and we always
deliver what we promise."
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Shap, as with your Ambush Interview, you seem like one of the few fearless people in this biz. You say what you feel. Most people, including the 'elite' don't because of fear of repurcussions, like lost traffic/$$ deals. Kudos to you.Originally posted by shapComment
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That's why people respect Shap - he stands up and says what's right.Originally posted by Mike33
It's the same reason I'm in this thread. Some people probably think I'm being a dick (I *KNOW* Al does..) but Al's actions affect everyone who deals with models - he's poisoning the well we all drink from and I'll be damned if I let that happen. Al makes it harder to work with models - they end up distrusting photographers because of the shit he's trying to pull.
Hey Al - have you sent Bobbi her photos yet? You've had all night to get these pictures zipped and sent to her. Why don't you just come right out and say it? You're not going to send her those pictures, are you? Your word means shit. Everyone knows that now.
I know you think you can't swallow your pride and doing the right thing by sending her the pictures you promised, but I think everyone here will agree it's the right thing to do.Comment
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i'll tell u one thing, nothing has been to the expense of my business or reputation.. the people i do business with know how i work and what im all about.. to begin with,, we havnt shot content for over a year, only a few promo stuff... half the people on the board are surfers and retards. i can give 2 shits about it. the only thing that happened, is a stupid thread that went out of proportion, and 3 people just went at it talking shit back and fourth.. end of story,, take it how u want it,,Originally posted by Big EComment
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You know, the fact that you don't care about your reputation among your peers really says a lot about you and your company.Originally posted by Abyss_Vee
The reality in this thread is, you made a deal - a contract (!), and you're reneging on that deal. You think that doesn't affect you or your business? You are a complete idiot. I've never seen anyone so ignorant.
So your story is basically, "We're assholes - we renege on promises that we make and we don't care what anyone thinks about that." Is that what you're saying?Comment
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u know what man,, just let it go. ur not getting anywhere with ur shit.. u dont know me so dont assume shit,,, u dont even need to know me,, end of story.. u need to talk,, hit me up on icq. latesOriginally posted by Big EComment
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That's what you don't get - I absolutely will not let this go until you do the right thing. This thread could go into next week..Originally posted by Abyss_Vee
You're right, I have no idea who you (or Al) are, and frankly, I would never want to get to know you. I have no respect for ignorant, arrogant people. There's too many great people on this board and in the industry that I enjoy hanging out with.
Just send her the pictures and this will all be done with. Sheesh. I've only told you that about 50 times in this thread.
JUST DO THE RIGHT THING - MAKE GOOD ON YOUR PROMISE.
I have no desire to talk to you on ICQ and work this out. The ONLY thing that will resolve this is to send her the pictures you promised. That's it. Very simple.Comment
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like i said man,, let it go... she's already gotten the icq.... just to prove that u dont know shit and keep talkin for no reason...Originally posted by Big EComment
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It seems to me that if the first half of the paragraph above was what Bobbi was told yesterday morning, followed by an apology, then she probably would have given Al the day to pull off this upload. Instead she was lied to, and it was an all to easily verifiable lie. THAT was when this exploded. I may be new to this site, but I've been getting the play by play on this issue over the last four months. I also know that people in general (including Bobbi) want to avoid drama, particularly when it involves industry reputations and relationships. But I don't care what business you're in; when someone is not performing and at the same time feeding you an obvious line of shit, and after all other methods of resolving the issue have been exhausted, don't be shocked when that shit hits the fan.Originally posted by Abyss_VeeComment
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