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  • Sambo
    So Fucking Banned
    • Mar 2004
    • 1187

    #1

    Whats best for a high end PC?

    I am seeing conflicting reports - I like the look of the AlienWare systems, but at the end of the day they are just Dells....

    Any input?
  • Sambo
    So Fucking Banned
    • Mar 2004
    • 1187

    #2
    Bump - come on - I have money burning a hole in my pocket!!

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    • Martin3
      Confirmed User
      • Oct 2005
      • 1529

      #3
      Build it yourself or find a reputable pc shop to do it for you.
      264-543-302

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      • Sambo
        So Fucking Banned
        • Mar 2004
        • 1187

        #4
        Originally posted by Martin3
        Build it yourself or find a reputable pc shop to do it for you.
        I was thinking about building one myself - but its been years since I last did that and things have changed a lot......

        Video cards alone are a minefield. You can read up on them for a week and still not know what the fuck to buy.....

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        • StarkReality
          Confirmed User
          • May 2004
          • 4444

          #5
          AlienWare isn't bad, but if you want a system that isn't as loud as a lawnmower, you should look for a watercooled system which has alot more overclocking potential, too.

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          • Nysus
            Confirmed User
            • Aug 2001
            • 7817

            #6
            Apple...
            What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

            Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

            See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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            • tony299
              lurker
              • Aug 2002
              • 57021

              #7
              build your own its cheaper, you can use better parts and it will cost half.

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              • qwe
                Confirmed User
                • Jul 2003
                • 2109

                #8
                build it yourself.... it ain't that hard, plus you'll save $1k or so on a high end parts

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                • Jarmusch
                   
                  • May 2003
                  • 12479

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Sambo
                  Video cards alone are a minefield. You can read up on them for a week and still not know what the fuck to buy.....
                  Well I can spare you a whole week of reading - get a 8800GTX or even better, go SLI with two of them. That's the highest of the highest end you can get.

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                  • Sambo
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 1187

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Jarmusch
                    Well I can spare you a whole week of reading - get a 8800GTX or even better, go SLI with two of them. That's the highest of the highest end you can get.
                    Thats where I got stuck - I thought I had it sussed and then I found out about SLI and that threw me totally.

                    Then you have to worry about the motherboard - can you SLI link 2 boards with a PCI Express and an AGP port - or do they both have to be the same?

                    The MBoard I looked at first only had one of each - I need to find a forum that deals with this stuff I think.....

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                    • Jarmusch
                       
                      • May 2003
                      • 12479

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Sambo
                      Thats where I got stuck - I thought I had it sussed and then I found out about SLI and that threw me totally.

                      Then you have to worry about the motherboard - can you SLI link 2 boards with a PCI Express and an AGP port - or do they both have to be the same?

                      The MBoard I looked at first only had one of each - I need to find a forum that deals with this stuff I think.....
                      You need a motherboard with two PCI express slots, you can't SLI with one PCI and one AGP card. I think those motherboards only exist for people that still want to use their AGP card with a modern cpu and ddr2 ram etc then upgrade to a PCI express card later on.

                      But beware that SLI is only really worth it if you play the latest games at super high resolutions (24" widescreen lcd's and up). Playing at 1024x768 would be a waste of SLI, only one card would be more than enough.

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                      • webcrawler
                        Confirmed User
                        • Aug 2004
                        • 2692

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Martin3
                        Build it yourself or find a reputable pc shop to do it for you.
                        This is perhaps the best advice you can get.

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                        • niche25
                          GoFuckYourself
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 407

                          #13
                          Alienware makes some crazy, cool looking computers but Dell is just fine. Apple on the other had (Mac Pro) is a bad ass mofo. If you can afford to, buy one of those powerhouses and throw Windows XP Pro on it. That beast renders video almost faster than real-time. This is coming from someone who has hated Apple for many years, and is currently a certified Microsoft Engineer (MSCE, MCSA, MCDBA, MCDST, etc…)

                          I have several computers, from custom $15,000 computers to Dells & Apples. I personally love the Dell Dimensions and XPS, as well as their Precision lineup.

                          Now one recommendation I have and I know this will get all kinds of feedback is: Intel. Intel in my professional opinion is the only processor to go with. In regards to which one, I personally use Duo Core, Dual Xeons, but Pentium 4 Duo Cores are bad ass as well. AMD has a lot of good processors but in the 6+ years working as a Systems & Network Engineer, Intel has always performed and never let me down. AMD has.

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                          • wyldworx
                            So Fucking Banned
                            • Dec 2006
                            • 5144

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Martin3
                            Build it yourself or find a reputable pc shop to do it for you.
                            your advice is invaluable here...This is what I do, and am about to look into purchasing another motherboard!! Are the quad cores out in the states yet?

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                            • niche25
                              GoFuckYourself
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 407

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Martin3
                              Build it yourself or find a reputable pc shop to do it for you.
                              BTW this is another great route; if you have the cash (can be VERY expensive). Just make sure if you go to a local shop, they will be in business a year or two down the road. Warranties tend to work well when the business is actually in business.

                              I build almost all of my PC?s, but after a while it is nice to have a warranty from a company like Dell or Apple vs. your wallet. It?s nice to have something break and have it replaced for free? Or 24/7 support, not 9-5 m-f like the local shops.

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                              • niche25
                                GoFuckYourself
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 407

                                #16
                                Originally posted by wyldworx
                                your advice is invaluable here...This is what I do, and am about to look into purchasing another motherboard!! Are the quad cores out in the states yet?
                                They are still in production. I was unaware they were available anywhere... I'll make a couple calls and find out the ETA, I tend to get the newer technologies from Intel to Beta.

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                                • notabook
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Apr 2006
                                  • 9748

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by wyldworx
                                  your advice is invaluable here...This is what I do, and am about to look into purchasing another motherboard!! Are the quad cores out in the states yet?
                                  Keep in mind this first batch of Intel quads are NOT going to be true quad-core and as such they are not going to have the same drastic effect (in MOST applications) as the core 2 duo did compared to other intel/amd single core chips.

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                                  • inthecrack
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • May 2006
                                    • 533

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by niche25
                                    Apple on the other had (Mac Pro) is a bad ass mofo. If you can afford to, buy one of those powerhouses and throw Windows XP Pro on it. That beast renders video almost faster than real-time. This is coming from someone who has hated Apple for many years, and is currently a certified Microsoft Engineer (MSCE, MCSA, MCDBA, MCDST, etc?)
                                    Umm... Please don't soil a perfectly good Mac pro with Windows XP. Stick with OS X. That's what it's made for.
                                    High on crack.


                                    www.inthecrack.com

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                                    • Sambo
                                      So Fucking Banned
                                      • Mar 2004
                                      • 1187

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by inthecrack
                                      Umm... Please don't soil a perfectly good Mac pro with Windows XP. Stick with OS X. That's what it's made for.
                                      I was even thinking about going that route.

                                      The only thing that I cant live without is DreamWeaver and they have a Mac version - something to think about.

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                                      • aico
                                        Moo Moo Cow
                                        • Mar 2004
                                        • 14748

                                        #20
                                        Get a Mac... you'll love it, after you hate it.

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                                        • inthecrack
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • May 2006
                                          • 533

                                          #21
                                          As a person who has experience with both PC and Mac I say get a Mac. I now have 7 Macs in my office and just one PC. Why the one PC? So I can see how my website looks to the rest of the world. Nothing else.
                                          High on crack.


                                          www.inthecrack.com

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                                          • niche25
                                            GoFuckYourself
                                            • Nov 2006
                                            • 407

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by inthecrack
                                            Umm... Please don't soil a perfectly good Mac pro with Windows XP. Stick with OS X. That's what it's made for.
                                            Sorry man, OSX is a great OS and is extremely stable, but with the software I run, the only way to go is Windows. I do run bootcamp so I can switch between OS's (not emulated) but Windows gets used 99.998% of the time. The .001% is when I test my sites in Native Safari.

                                            Funny thing is, the Mac Pro runs Windows XP Pro better than a PC, so I am with you on your respect for macs, but Mac OSX isn't my thing and probably never will be.

                                            To each their own.

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                                            • edgeprod
                                              Permanently Gone
                                              • Mar 2004
                                              • 10019

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by inthecrack
                                              Umm... Please don't soil a perfectly good Mac pro with Windows XP. Stick with OS X. That's what it's made for.
                                              Why not do what virtually EVERYONE does and run both?

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                                              • niche25
                                                GoFuckYourself
                                                • Nov 2006
                                                • 407

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by notabook
                                                Keep in mind this first batch of Intel quads are NOT going to be true quad-core and as such they are not going to have the same drastic effect (in MOST applications) as the core 2 duo did compared to other intel/amd single core chips.
                                                Yes and no. I usually wait until a re-release before I purchase, but even when the quad-cores come out, there will be nothing in comparison. I have my chips set aside for Intels 4x4 (quad core, quad processor), that thing is going to be sick. Until that beast gets released I will be just fine with what I have.

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                                                • niche25
                                                  GoFuckYourself
                                                  • Nov 2006
                                                  • 407

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by edgeprod
                                                  Why not do what virtually EVERYONE does and run both?
                                                  Running both in an emulated state is worthless and bogs any system down. It was a good idea, but a no go. There is a application called bootcamp, which allows you to run either OS from startup, and the ability to switch between them without emulating. This gives you full system resources, power, and performance.

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                                                  • BigCashCrew
                                                    Registered User
                                                    • Aug 2005
                                                    • 3570

                                                    #26
                                                    Dude, do yourself a favor and build your own computer. It will be way better than buying a Dell or Gateway and you will learn a lot. I just built my own and I'm very happy.

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                                                    • Kard63
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Nov 2003
                                                      • 8944

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Sambo
                                                      I am seeing conflicting reports - I like the look of the AlienWare systems, but at the end of the day they are just Dells....

                                                      Any input?
                                                      I made it 3 days ago. The very best computer that uses hardware sold to the general public right now would be an intel quad core QX6700, any mother board that uses Nvidia's 680i chepset that has: 2 pci express slots, room for 4gigs or ram, and two graphics cards based on the nvidia 8800GTX chipset, some DDR ram (doesnt reallly matter if you get PC800, the higher stuff wont help unless you overclock) you can get it with C4 timings instead of C5 timings if you are hardcore trying to be the very best. Western Digital's raptor is the fastest HD on the market. It is only 150GB so I got one for the boot drive and got a 750GB drive for storage.

                                                      Throw in some disk drives, a case, some fans, and you are set. I did all of this except the dual video card thing. I'll never use the benefit of the 2nd and the card is about $600 so why waste it? But to really have the best you need two. I believe all of the 8800GTX cards have SLI but check. It needs SLI to be able to link two cards. If you want to clone it I can give you the part #'s from new egg. Building this yoruself instead of letting alienware do it for you will save you about $1300 but your case will not be as cool.

                                                      EDIT: I edited some mistakes but I'm on sleeps meds and out of my head. Sadly, there are probably more mistakes, lol.
                                                      Last edited by Kard63; 01-22-2007, 08:56 PM.

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                                                      • BigCashCrew
                                                        Registered User
                                                        • Aug 2005
                                                        • 3570

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Kard63
                                                        I made it 3 days ago. The very best computer that uses hardware sold to the general public right now would be an intel quad core QX6700, any mother board that uses Nvidia's 680i chepset that has: 2 pci express slots, room for 4gigs or ram, and two graphics cards based on the nvidia 8800GTX chipset, some DDR ram (doesnt reallly matter if you get PC800, the higher stuff wont help unless you overclock) you can get it with C4 timings instead of C5 timings if you are hardcore trying to be the very best. Western Digital's raptor is the fastest HD on the market. It is only 150GB so I got one for the boot drive and got a 750GB drive for storage.

                                                        Throw in some disk drives, a case, some fans, and you are set. I did all of this except the dual video card thing. I'll never use the benefit of the 2nd and the card is about $600 so why waste it? But to really have the best you need two. I believe all of the 8800GTX cards have SLI but check. It needs SLI to be able to link two cards. If you want to clone it I can give you the part #'s from new egg. Building this yoruself instead of letting alienware do it for you will save you about $1300 but your case will not be as cool.

                                                        EDIT: I edited some mistakes but I'm on sleeps meds and out of my head. Sadly, there are probably more mistakes, lol.
                                                        I'm on sleeping meds right now too. Your post made perfect sense. BUT, you can get a cooler looking case from new egg.

                                                        As far as alienware goes, don't go that route. I have an alienware laptop and it is always having problems. Save the money and build it yourself. You will be much happier when you are done. It's very easy and a lot of fun.

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                                                        • ungratefulninja
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Apr 2006
                                                          • 682

                                                          #29
                                                          The 680i boards are a waste of money if you don't plan on running SLI. If you do, then by all means.. I've heard mostly good things about the eVGA board. I ended up going with the 650i board from Asus with SLI. The P965 based boards have been getting good reviews if you are planning on overclocking with a single video card. If you're going to run at stock speeds you might even just get an Intel board..

                                                          And yes, if you're not going to overclock, don't bother buying super fast RAM. Some of the motherboards are picky about running the faster RAM because it generally takes a higher voltage.

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                                                          • edgeprod
                                                            Permanently Gone
                                                            • Mar 2004
                                                            • 10019

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by niche25
                                                            Running both in an emulated state is worthless and bogs any system down. It was a good idea, but a no go. There is a application called bootcamp, which allows you to run either OS from startup, and the ability to switch between them without emulating. This gives you full system resources, power, and performance.
                                                            I must be COMPLETELY fucking confused. Why would ANYONE emulate Windows on Intel hardware? My Mac runs both Mac OS X and Windows XP, using Boot Camp.

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                                                            • Kard63
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Nov 2003
                                                              • 8944

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by BigCashCrew
                                                              I'm on sleeping meds right now too. Your post made perfect sense. BUT, you can get a cooler looking case from new egg.

                                                              As far as alienware goes, don't go that route. I have an alienware laptop and it is always having problems. Save the money and build it yourself. You will be much happier when you are done. It's very easy and a lot of fun.

                                                              Please show me a pimper looking case at newegg.

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                                                              • Martin3
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Oct 2005
                                                                • 1529

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Kard63
                                                                Please show me a pimper looking case at newegg.
                                                                Take your pick, they only have 870 to choose from
                                                                http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...7&N=2010090007
                                                                264-543-302

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                                                                • aico
                                                                  Moo Moo Cow
                                                                  • Mar 2004
                                                                  • 14748

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by edgeprod
                                                                  I must be COMPLETELY fucking confused. Why would ANYONE emulate Windows on Intel hardware? My Mac runs both Mac OS X and Windows XP, using Boot Camp.

                                                                  Relax, it's the same people that think the mouse has one button, don't know how to change he size of the desktop icons, and say you can't open Mac files on a PC.

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                                                                  • edgeprod
                                                                    Permanently Gone
                                                                    • Mar 2004
                                                                    • 10019

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by aico
                                                                    Relax, it's the same people that think the mouse has one button, don't know how to change he size of the desktop icons, and say you can't open Mac files on a PC.
                                                                    Haha .. seems so.

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