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01-21-2007, 05:01 AM

Jan 1st - all websites owned by UK companies must show the geographical address of the company (in some cases thats your house address).

Any UK webmasters in here - are you going to put the details on your sites.

Does America have a similar law?

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01-21-2007, 05:05 AM

hmmm. my real details are on whois anyway so not much different. I can see how it would affect some people badly though.

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01-21-2007, 05:06 AM

where does this info origionate from?

i am not a company merely a sole trader

adress info can be obtained from domain registrar normaly so why the need to advertise your adress to all and sundry.

i certainly dont want hordes of religious or otherwise biggots hammering my front door down to preach the so called wrongs of pornography to me

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01-21-2007, 05:07 AM

do you have a source for this by the way.

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01-21-2007, 05:12 AM

Hi,

Here is a link for further information - and where I found it.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12...il_regulation/

Please have a read and share thoughts.

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01-21-2007, 05:12 AM

If this is indeed law, I won't be complying with it. Just because something is law doesn't mean it is right.

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01-21-2007, 05:18 AM

Originally posted by Lazonby

If this is indeed law, I won't be complying with it. Just because something is law doesn't mean it is right.

"For the wise man there are no such things as laws. Since all laws are subject to errors and exceptions, it is for the wise man to decide for himself whether he should obey them or break them." - Diderot.

there is in my eyes only 1 law and that is there is no law (just do the decent thing) as long as you harm no one or take what is not yours or abuse the innocence of the young.
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01-21-2007, 05:22 AM

Originally posted by MrChips

Hi,

Here is a link for further information - and where I found it.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12...il_regulation/

Please have a read and share thoughts.

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i think you will find that this applies only to registered ltd companys

ie company law requires you to name all directors on company headded paper and not just yourself (if you are a director) if there is more than 1 director of said company as well as reg company adress vat number and co reg number.

hope this clears things up for you.

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01-21-2007, 05:24 AM

Pinkz - Im afraid I am a director of my own registered Ltd company.

I know it aint right - because I prefer to keep my privacy online - but it looks like I will have to comply because if I dont - there will be fines to pay.
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01-21-2007, 05:27 AM

then my friend if you are as you say you must comply of face the concequences

i was also once a director of my own company (nolonger)

it would seem from the web addy supplied that this is yet another crass beaurocratic euro law if you have a legal rep i would talk to him regarding this matter.

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01-21-2007, 05:36 AM

Originally posted by MrChips

Pinkz - Im afraid I am a director of my own registered Ltd company.

I know it aint right - because I prefer to keep my privacy online - but it looks like I will have to comply because if I dont - there will be fines to pay.

Keep your DNS servers in the US or outside Europe, even if you host in the UK.

Do not comply with this law. The chances of being found out are slim. If you are found out then upload your shit to a non-European server and carry as usual.
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01-21-2007, 05:36 AM

Of course
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01-21-2007, 05:42 AM

It's like with the accessibility laws. Has anyone ever actually been done for that? My sites don't comply with the accessibility laws and I've never been contacted about it.
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01-21-2007, 05:48 AM

Originally posted by Lazonby

Keep your DNS servers in the US or outside Europe, even if you host in the UK.

Do not comply with this law. The chances of being found out are slim. If you are found out then upload your shit to a non-European server and carry as usual.

this law only applies to limited companies of which i am not hence "I AINT BOVVERED"

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01-21-2007, 05:56 AM

I won't be putting my home address anywhere on the internet.
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01-21-2007, 05:59 AM

I'll be changing from Self Emplyed to Limited company in a few weeks, but I sure as hell ain't putting my home address on my websites. There will be a loophole somewhere, we just have to find it.

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01-21-2007, 06:00 AM

Publishing personal/company adress is not good idea,especialy if you do sensitive bussiness.
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01-21-2007, 06:14 AM

i think the best strategy here would be to register your companies at a busines service postal address and mail handling company i believe regus uk offer this type of service.

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01-21-2007, 07:22 AM

Just use the address of the local priest/ imam/ defender of public morality.
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01-21-2007, 08:03 AM

that sucks :/ good job i dont own ltd.

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01-21-2007, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by Lazonby

It's like with the accessibility laws. Has anyone ever actually been done for that? My sites don't comply with the accessibility laws and I've never been contacted about it.

LOL - I dont think I will ever understand that law and why it was brought in for websites.

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01-21-2007, 09:24 AM

Most people don't use their home address as their companies registered address anyway.. My companies registered address is my accountants office.

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01-21-2007, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by bizarredollars

Most people don't use their home address as their companies registered address anyway.. My companies registered address is my accountants office.

I dont think my accountant would be too pleased to see his name and address on websites promoting Lesbian Milfs.

I can imagine his face if he found one of my sites
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01-21-2007, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by MrChips

Jan 1st - all websites owned by UK companies must show the geographical address of the company (in some cases thats your house address).

Any UK webmasters in here - are you going to put the details on your sites.

Does America have a similar law?

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For most online ecommerce this is no biggie - ie you sell whatevers online - it's reasonable to state a entity to enable clients to know who they are purchasing product from - and most prob do this anyways.

As bizarredollars said.. the legal address of a UK limited company can be the registered office - ie the lawyer/accountant representing that company.

Also note, that EU directive is only applicable to UK legal entities, not to sole traders (tho little doubts, that will follow on).

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01-21-2007, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by MrChips

I dont think my accountant would be too pleased to see his name and address on websites promoting Lesbian Milfs.

I can imagine his face if he found one of my sites

You mean to say he's not got a cupboard full of free videos and 18 free memberships to your sites already??

Very unusual - the first freebies usually go to your accountant, lawyer and bank manager

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01-21-2007, 10:20 AM

LOL webby - Im only an affiliate - I dont own any actual pay sites or take credit cards etc.
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01-21-2007, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by MrChips

LOL webby - Im only an affiliate - I dont own any actual pay sites or take credit cards etc.

Sounds like you are lucky and not operating a limited company and can forget about plastering your contact details over Lesbian MILF websites then?

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01-21-2007, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by MrChips

I dont think my accountant would be too pleased to see his name and address on websites promoting Lesbian Milfs.

I can imagine his face if he found one of my sites

Mine does not mind at all, she is totally cool with it. If you don't want to use your accountants, plenty of firms will setup a company for you and act the the registered address for an annual fee.. If you take a look in the business section of E&M there are loads of them listed.

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01-21-2007, 12:32 PM

Originally posted by Wordsforhire

I'll be changing from Self Emplyed to Limited company in a few weeks, but I sure as hell ain't putting my home address on my websites. There will be a loophole somewhere, we just have to find it.

I am working on it,
Wouldnt the Privacy Act Work here /
just add this, i beleive it should work.. don't quote me on it.

With the best interested at heart of my personal welfare, I reserve the right to post or reveal my home address or any other of my personal details, If you are part of a government organization or were previously part of one you are not permitted to view this website and/or its content, If you enter this site you are not agreeing to these terms and you are violating code 431.322.12 of the Internet Privacy Act signed by Bill Clinton in 1995 and that means that you can NOT threaten our ISP the web designer or any person(s) or company storing these files, can NOT prosecute any person(s) affiliated with this page which includes family, friends or individuals who run or enter this web site.

Its just an example.

But that would be efficient.. The privacy act covers so many things.
Read through it.

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01-21-2007, 12:43 PM

Oh shit thats a fucking law.

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01-21-2007, 02:32 PM

"Sounds like you are lucky and not operating a limited company and can forget about plastering your contact details over Lesbian MILF websites then? "

No mate - Im only an affiliate - but Im a Limited Company.
Grim - I may well have to dump all my domains and put them under a good friend of mines name.

Fuck I dont even do transactions on the net and I have to comply with these issues.

I mean - look at it this way - It is impossible for me to either rip anyone off or misguide them - all I do is put fucking pages up advertising nasty dollars or whoever it is im promoting.

How the fuck can I cause problems or rip peeps off????

All I do is advertise for a commission.

Im well down in the dumps about this - like 200 domains .coms .nets .tvs etc - all up the swanny cos of this new law.

Im thinking of hitting the bottle. And I dont want to really.
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01-21-2007, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by MrChips

"Sounds like you are lucky and not operating a limited company and can forget about plastering your contact details over Lesbian MILF websites then? "

No mate - Im only an affiliate - but Im a Limited Company.
Grim - I may well have to dump all my domains and put them under a good friend of mines name.

Fuck I dont even do transactions on the net and I have to comply with these issues.

I mean - look at it this way - It is impossible for me to either rip anyone off or misguide them - all I do is put fucking pages up advertising nasty dollars or whoever it is im promoting.

How the fuck can I cause problems or rip peeps off????

All I do is advertise for a commission.

Im well down in the dumps about this - like 200 domains .coms .nets .tvs etc - all up the swanny cos of this new law.

Im thinking of hitting the bottle. And I dont want to really.

Ah .. got ya! OK.. two options...

(a) Your websites are not owned by a UK company, but simply a trading style (can be anything you like) or in your own name. That does not mean you cannot channel revenue thru your limited company (or anywhere else you so choose).

(b) Check out mailing addresses in eg Exchange and Mart or similar publications and choose one with a street address facility and make that the address of your company.

There are a good number of other options - you can register the ownership of domains to anywhere you like in reality. This could be an address outside the UK and under any trading style you can think of - in effect to a mailing address in any part of the globe.

It seems a lot of unnecessary lengths to go to, but there is also the option of having an offshore corp to hold your domains - tho that's a bit of an overkill - any trading style name would be just as suitable.

Agree.. especially since you are not transacting, doubt this law was actually intended under your circumstances and more angled towards the supply of product or online services.

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01-21-2007, 03:42 PM

PS There are no legal requirements for a trading style in the UK - this can be anything - eg Media Associates or whatever, as long as there is no "Ltd" or other terminology to suggest a legal entity.

The only other factor is avoid using names like Marks and Spencer Otherwise no problemo.

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01-21-2007, 03:45 PM

Is there a benefit to being a Ltd Company if you are an affiliate only?
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01-21-2007, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by Sambo

Is there a benefit to being a Ltd Company if you are an affiliate only?

Sure.. a few, including limited liability, but primarily tax benefits and where there is a more liberal allowance on taxable expenses. It gives an accountant a lot more leeway in preparing annual accounts.

Depending on the level of revenue, there can be a case for more than one limited company and when revenue which reaches a higher taxation level can be diverted to another limited company to avoid hitting the higher taxation level etc.

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01-21-2007, 03:57 PM

Don't you guys have P.o boxes there? wouldn't that work?

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01-21-2007, 04:02 PM

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Don't you guys have P.o boxes there? wouldn't that work?

Sure, but the problem is the law wants a real address where contact can be made. Tho a mailing house offering a street address appears to comply with that requirement or the registered office of the company etc.

If there are no actual transactions it's kinda pointless and prob easier to have domains registered to an address outside the UK.

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01-21-2007, 04:40 PM

ahhh more laws on the internet...fun fun fun....:\

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06-23-2007, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by madawgz

ahhh more laws on the internet...fun fun fun....:\

I doubt many will be chased up in the UK anyway, unless your involved in rape, beast, incest or other nasty stuff...

Our jails are at bursting point now anyway... You would really have to upset someone to get in serious trouble... going offshore is still advisable tho..

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