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  • Splum
    Confirmed User
    • May 2003
    • 6195
    #1

    Fuck Kyoto Protocol

    The two biggest polluters on the planet China and India are not required to follow it why the fuck should America sign that piece of shit?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol
    http://www.cnn.com/video/player/play...dirty.city.itn
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    • Twisted Dave
      Confirmed User
      • Mar 2006
      • 3635
      #2
      Wait ... it's a piece of shit .... ? Why?


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        • notabook
          Confirmed User
          • Apr 2006
          • 9748
          #3
          Women that get raped in certain third world countries will sometimes get stoned to death and the rapist often gets off nearly scot-free. Since they don't aggressively go after rapists in those countries why the fuck should America?

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            • WarChild
              Let slip the dogs of war.
              • Jan 2003
              • 17263
              #4
              Kyoto is a fucking joke that will have next to no effect anyway. Well, other than smaller countries getting rich selling their polution quota to countries like the USA.
              .

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                • Twisted Dave
                  Confirmed User
                  • Mar 2006
                  • 3635
                  #5
                  Originally posted by WarChild
                  Kyoto is a fucking joke that will have next to no effect anyway. Well, other than smaller countries getting rich selling their polution quota to countries like the USA.
                  Well, sorry .... but the USA blurts out so much fucking pollution it's unreal. The companies involved wont lower emmissions enough because of cost.

                  But hell ... if people are that short sighted.

                  I'm sure other countries are bad too ... but that doesn't mean that the USA should say no to helping the world.


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                    • reynold
                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 51271
                      #6
                      Originally posted by notabook
                      Women that get raped in certain third world countries will sometimes get stoned to death and the rapist often gets off nearly scot-free. Since they don't aggressively go after rapists in those countries why the fuck should America?
                      This makes sense completely.

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                        • Cyndalie
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jan 2002
                          • 3615
                          #7
                          It's not a blame game. IT's taking responsibility as a human race for our planet and future generations.




                          It's a matter of prescience
                          No not the science fiction kind
                          It's all about ignorance,
                          and greed and miracles for the blind.

                          The media paradin'
                          Disjointed politics
                          Founded on petrochemical plunder
                          And we're its hostages!

                          If you stand to reason
                          You're in the game
                          The rules may be elusive
                          But all pieces are the same.

                          And you know if one goes down
                          We all go down as well
                          The balance is precarious
                          As anyone can tell.

                          This world's going to Hell...

                          Don't allow
                          This mythologic hopeful monster to exact its price
                          Kyoto now
                          We can't do nothing and think someone else will make it right.

                          You might not think it matters now
                          But what if you were wrong?
                          You might not think there's any wisdom
                          In a fucked up punk rock song.

                          But the way it is
                          Can not persist for long
                          A brutal sun is rising
                          On a sick horizon.

                          It's in the way
                          We live our lives
                          Exactly like the double edge
                          Of a cold familliar knife.

                          And supremacy
                          Weighs heavy on the day
                          It's never really what you own
                          But what you threw away.

                          And how much did you pay...

                          Don't allow
                          This mythologic hopeful monster to exact its price
                          Kyoto now
                          We can't do nothing and think that someone else will make it right.

                          In your dream
                          You saw a steady state of bounty for eternity
                          Silent scream
                          But now the wisdom that sustains us is in full retreat.

                          Watch out

                          Don't allow
                          This mythologic hopeful monster isn't worth the risk
                          Kyoto now
                          We can't have vision for the future if it can't be fixed

                          Alien
                          We need a fresh and new religion to run our lives
                          Hand in hand
                          The arid torpor of inaction will be our demise.

                          Ohhhhh
                          Kyoto now!
                          Cyndalie
                          Marketing Director
                          StoriesTraffic.com

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                            • Splum
                              Confirmed User
                              • May 2003
                              • 6195
                              #8
                              Originally posted by twisted Illustration
                              Well, sorry .... but the USA blurts out so much fucking pollution it's unreal. The companies involved wont lower emmissions enough because of cost. But hell ... if people are that short sighted. I'm sure other countries are bad too ... but that doesn't mean that the USA should say no to helping the world.
                              China is WORSE(watch that video above). So we should bow down and suck the worlds nutsack while China and Indian dont give a fuck? That makes no sense and leaves us in a position of weakness, abiding by Kyoto while China and India ignore it will not help at all.

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                                • Splum
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • May 2003
                                  • 6195
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by Cyndalie
                                  It's not a blame game. IT's taking responsibility as a human race for our planet and future generations..... of prescience No not the science fiction kind Ohhhhh Kyoto now!
                                  Go hump a tree... or Al Gore... same thing.

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                                    • Splum
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • May 2003
                                      • 6195
                                      #10
                                      Hey green tree fuckers how about this for a horror pic... OH THE HUMANITY!

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                                        • After Shock Media
                                          It's coming look busy
                                          • Mar 2001
                                          • 35299
                                          #11
                                          Wait taking the high road and doing the proper thing is wrong how?

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                                            • lunchbox
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Mar 2003
                                              • 129
                                              #12
                                              Kyoto is a step in the right direction. It wont solve the problem by a longshot, but its a start. The European countries are doing it very well..why cant the US do it too. And canada is no better. We signed it, and thats about it.

                                              As for why the US should have to follow it, and not india and china. Well, look at it this way. The US has been pumping shit into the atmosphere for decades. Kyoto didnt exist and they were free to pollute and develop their economies. India is a developing country. Since they havent polluted anywhere near as much as the US, it should be their right to at least be able to play catch up, to match what the US has spewed, so that they may be able to develop their economies freely like the US did. Or would you prefer the US and other developed countries get preferrential treatment and tell the others to fuck off?

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                                                • Agent 488
                                                  Registered User
                                                  • Feb 2006
                                                  • 22511
                                                  #13
                                                  take it to free republic assclown!

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                                                    • CaptainHowdy
                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                      • Dec 2004
                                                      • 94023
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by Cyndalie
                                                      It's not a blame game. IT's taking responsibility as a human race for our planet and future generations.




                                                      It's a matter of prescience
                                                      No not the science fiction kind
                                                      It's all about ignorance,
                                                      and greed and miracles for the blind.

                                                      The media paradin'
                                                      Disjointed politics
                                                      Founded on petrochemical plunder
                                                      And we're its hostages!

                                                      If you stand to reason
                                                      You're in the game
                                                      The rules may be elusive
                                                      But all pieces are the same.

                                                      And you know if one goes down
                                                      We all go down as well
                                                      The balance is precarious
                                                      As anyone can tell.

                                                      This world's going to Hell...

                                                      Don't allow
                                                      This mythologic hopeful monster to exact its price
                                                      Kyoto now
                                                      We can't do nothing and think someone else will make it right.

                                                      You might not think it matters now
                                                      But what if you were wrong?
                                                      You might not think there's any wisdom
                                                      In a fucked up punk rock song.

                                                      But the way it is
                                                      Can not persist for long
                                                      A brutal sun is rising
                                                      On a sick horizon.

                                                      It's in the way
                                                      We live our lives
                                                      Exactly like the double edge
                                                      Of a cold familliar knife.

                                                      And supremacy
                                                      Weighs heavy on the day
                                                      It's never really what you own
                                                      But what you threw away.

                                                      And how much did you pay...

                                                      Don't allow
                                                      This mythologic hopeful monster to exact its price
                                                      Kyoto now
                                                      We can't do nothing and think that someone else will make it right.

                                                      In your dream
                                                      You saw a steady state of bounty for eternity
                                                      Silent scream
                                                      But now the wisdom that sustains us is in full retreat.

                                                      Watch out

                                                      Don't allow
                                                      This mythologic hopeful monster isn't worth the risk
                                                      Kyoto now
                                                      We can't have vision for the future if it can't be fixed

                                                      Alien
                                                      We need a fresh and new religion to run our lives
                                                      Hand in hand
                                                      The arid torpor of inaction will be our demise.

                                                      Ohhhhh
                                                      Kyoto now!
                                                      BAD RELIGION fan in here too !

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                                                        • Twisted Dave
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Mar 2006
                                                          • 3635
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Splum
                                                          China is WORSE(watch that video above). So we should bow down and suck the worlds nutsack while China and Indian dont give a fuck? That makes no sense and leaves us in a position of weakness, abiding by Kyoto while China and India ignore it will not help at all.
                                                          Your statement is narrow minded and foolish. Just because someone else isn't doing it means you shouldnt? WTF? How short sighted can you be! This is important! It's not a game.


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                                                            • Agent 488
                                                              Registered User
                                                              • Feb 2006
                                                              • 22511
                                                              #16
                                                              splum is just a bitter old nerd who lives in a free republic/lgf echo chamber - pretty sad ...

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                                                                • WarChild
                                                                  Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                                  • 17263
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Let's be sure we all understand the effect of Kyoto, really.

                                                                  - The effect of Kyoto would be to reduce warming by .04 degrees Celsius in the year 2100
                                                                  - The Kyoto Protocol calls for the industrialized countries to cut their greenhouse gas emissions to 5.2% below 1990 emission levels for the period 2005 - 2012.
                                                                  - Developing countries do not have to cut emissions.
                                                                  - The Kyoto treaty expires in 2012.
                                                                  - The Kyoto treaty has some serious flaws. For isntance, countries like Greenland which produce next to no emissions at all would be allowed to "sell" their quota on the open market. Industrialized nations could then "buy" this excess quota, allowing them to continue pumping the same levels of pollutions in to the air they historically have been. In this scenario, the net effect on the enviroment is really nothing other than economics. If the goal ultimately is to stop pollution, shouldn't we just give Greenland a gold star and not allow them to sell their "right" to pollute?

                                                                  So if the Kyoto treaty were extended to the year 2100, the net change in "Global Warming" would be .04 degrees Celsius. Since the treath actually expires in 2012, the real effect is much less pronounced.

                                                                  Now people will argue that you can't judge Kyoto on its own merrit. Rather, you must look at it as a step towards stricter controls that must follow the expiration of Kyoto. So far nobody's rejected the idealogy of cleaning up the enviroment, simple said that this is not the way to do it.
                                                                  Last edited by WarChild; 01-17-2007, 08:09 PM.
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                                                                    • Webby
                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                      • 14956
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by Splum
                                                                      The two biggest polluters on the planet China and India are not required to follow it why the fuck should America sign that piece of shit?

                                                                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol
                                                                      http://www.cnn.com/video/player/play...dirty.city.itn


                                                                      We got Splum complaining about India and China when the US still leads the world in consumption of natural resources - with only 5% of the world's population and consuming 25% of resources.

                                                                      But.. you are correct - the US along with China and India are the biggest polluters on the planet while the rest of the world is paying to clean up your crap - as usual.

                                                                      Basically the US (and the others above) failed to do anything - as usual. The Treaty expires in 2012 - in the meantime, continue to screw up your own backyard and don't worry about other nations.
                                                                      XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                                                        • Splum
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • May 2003
                                                                          • 6195
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by lunchbox
                                                                          As for why the US should have to follow it, and not india and china. Well, look at it this way. The US has been pumping shit into the atmosphere for decades. Kyoto didnt exist and they were free to pollute and develop their economies. India is a developing country. Since they havent polluted anywhere near as much as the US, it should be their right to at least be able to play catch up, to match what the US has spewed, so that they may be able to develop their economies freely like the US did. Or would you prefer the US and other developed countries get preferrential treatment and tell the others to fuck off?
                                                                          Are you fucking retarded, that makes no sense at lol. Kyoto should have included ALL FUCKING NATIONS.

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                                                                            • Splum
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • May 2003
                                                                              • 6195
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by budsbabes
                                                                              splum is just a bitter old nerd who lives in a free republic/lgf echo chamber - pretty sad ...
                                                                              Had some bad herb this evening? Go smoke some more and kill that last brain cell.

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                                                                                • Splum
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • May 2003
                                                                                  • 6195
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by twisted Illustration
                                                                                  Your statement is narrow minded and foolish. Just because someone else isn't doing it means you shouldnt? WTF? How short sighted can you be! This is important! It's not a game.
                                                                                  Kyoto makes no difference, even if we would have signed it. The earth is in a NATURAL WARMING CYCLE. Now who is "narrowminded" and "foolish" you dont have a single reputable source that global warming is accelerated by humans.

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                                                                                    • Webby
                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                                      • 14956
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by WarChild
                                                                                      For isntance, countries like Greenland which produce next to no emissions at all would be allowed to "sell" their quota on the open market. Industrialized nations could then "buy" this excess quota,
                                                                                      Give it ten or so years and these "oxygen shares" will be traded on the markets.

                                                                                      China has already spent billions in purchasing oxygen quotas - and some of that was spent where we are now At least they are aware and attempting to comply - which is more than can be said of the US.

                                                                                      Sure Kyoto is flawed - what isn't? It's a negotiated Protocol among.. think 140 countries who are all haggling over air - the result is going to look like it was created by a govt on drugs, but is a first level attempt to clean up crap.
                                                                                      XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                                                                        • Twisted Dave
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Mar 2006
                                                                                          • 3635
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Splum
                                                                                          Kyoto makes no difference, even if we would have signed it. The earth is in a NATURAL WARMING CYCLE. Now who is "narrowminded" and "foolish" you dont have a single reputable source that global warming is accelerated by humans.
                                                                                          lol ...

                                                                                          yeah, ok man ... you keep believing yourself


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                                                                                            • Splum
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • May 2003
                                                                                              • 6195
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by Webby
                                                                                              China has already spent billions in purchasing oxygen quotas - and some of that was spent where we are now At least they are aware and attempting to comply - which is more than can be said of the US.
                                                                                              O'rly?
                                                                                              http://www.cnn.com/video/player/play...dirty.city.itn

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                                                                                                • Splum
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • May 2003
                                                                                                  • 6195
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by twisted Illustration
                                                                                                  lol ... yeah, ok man ... you keep believing yourself
                                                                                                  Thats what I thought artsy fartsy boy, now you owe me a nice logo.

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                                                                                                    • Webby
                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                                                                      • 14956
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Splum
                                                                                                      Kyoto makes no difference, even if we would have signed it. The earth is in a NATURAL WARMING CYCLE. Now who is "narrowminded" and "foolish" you dont have a single reputable source that global warming is accelerated by humans.
                                                                                                      Typical stupid statement Splum... Of course it makes a difference... If there was any interest in doing anything about it, I can think of a few areas in the US which was heavy forest land and is now an decimated area where the trees now have no leaves and the whole area is dying from clouds of industrial spewage however over these valleys...

                                                                                                      Crap about the "US issue" of global warning carries no weight - the rest of the planet already know of the problem and don't bury their heads in the sand. That's why there are 130 -140 nations attempting to reduce ommissions under Kyoto - don't whine about them till you start cleaning your own back yard.
                                                                                                      XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                                                                                        • Webby
                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                                                          • 14956
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by Splum
                                                                                                          O'rly?
                                                                                                          http://www.cnn.com/video/player/play...dirty.city.itn
                                                                                                          Don't rely on cutting and pasting from elsewhere to try and justify your beliefs - try looking at the spewage from the oil refineries on the Gulf coast before bothering with China. The US remains the world's biggest polluter.
                                                                                                          XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                                                                                            • Dirty Dane
                                                                                                              Sick Fuck
                                                                                                              • Feb 2004
                                                                                                              • 9491
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by WarChild
                                                                                                              For isntance, countries like Greenland ....

                                                                                                              Greenland is not a country

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