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  • RedShoe
    赤い靴 call me 202-456-1111
    • Feb 2001
    • 14831

    #1

    $1500.00 per trailer.

    I just cut a 30 second commercial for $750.00 and they are fuckin' making changes after changes after changes... They said they wanted it in a week. They have made so many changes and they keep pushing their own deadline back and it's now been 3 weeks.

    It's been more that 2 weeks past the agreed upon deadline and I'm only asking to be compensated for one week extra, So I sent in a letter requesting $1500.00

    All that aside, they originally agreed to pay $750.00 for 30 seconds of my editing skills. That comes out to $25.00 a second.

    When it comes to porn, I'd definitely try to raise my prices from $250.00 per trailer to a fair market price. I've seen some guys on here pushing their editing skills for $50.00 per trailer and less. All they do is fuck it up for everyone else by settling for chump change. Then clients get used to paying nothing for a marketing tool that will make them $$.

    To my fellow video editors, I would like to say that we all raise the price to a minimum of $300.00 per trailer. $300 at the very LEAST. But I know that there are still some people that have no business sense and they would rather work and get a few bucks, than to work and earn a living.


    It reminds me of a Joke my friend Tony Soprano once told me...
    A daddy bull and his son were on a hill looking down at all the cows in the field, and the son says, "Dad, let's run down there and fuck a cow" and the father bull says, "No. Let's walk down there and fuck them all"

    If some of those editors weren't in such a hurry to make a quick fast and small dollar, we could all make more money.

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  • billywatson
    Confirmed User
    • Aug 2002
    • 3281

    #2
    $300 per trailer? Maybe you should define "trailer"...

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    • GFX Wiz
      Confirmed User
      • Jul 2004
      • 916

      #3
      Designers have been bitching about this for years and the establishment always chimes in with, "free enterprise" or something to the like.

      I feel your pain. It's the reason I went mainstream and am working for a company (6-figures is pretty cool too for only 40 hours week!)

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      • RedShoe
        赤い靴 call me 202-456-1111
        • Feb 2001
        • 14831

        #4
        A trailer, is a 30 second preview of a movie you have in your members area. Some guys like to make theirs 45 seconds, or a minute... I've even seen them longer. They are fools. The attention span of your average person is 30 seconds. (I wrote a huge article on this subject, I've studied it thouroughly)

        A trailer is the one tool that really gives a potential customer a true sense as to what he'll get as a member. Images and girls can be airbrushed on tours, and so it's the trailer (or the movie preview) that allows them to see EXACTLY what they will be getting.

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        • SomeCreep
          :glugglug
          • Mar 2003
          • 26118

          #5
          Originally posted by RedShoe
          When it comes to porn, I'd definitely try to raise my prices from $250.00 per trailer to a fair market price. I've seen some guys on here pushing their editing skills for $50.00 per trailer and less. All they do is fuck it up for everyone else by settling for chump change. Then clients get used to paying nothing for a marketing tool that will make them $$.

          To my fellow video editors, I would like to say that we all raise the price to a minimum of $300.00 per trailer. $300 at the very LEAST. But I know that there are still some people that have no business sense and they would rather work and get a few bucks, than to work and earn a living.

          If some of those editors weren't in such a hurry to make a quick fast and small dollar, we could all make more money.
          Business doesnt work that way. You know what supply and demand is right? Well, currently there is a large supply of video editors, but not a large demand for them. Therefore prices go down. Video editors must lower their prices to stay competitive. Those that insist on keeping their prices high will lose business. Simple.

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          • billywatson
            Confirmed User
            • Aug 2002
            • 3281

            #6
            Originally posted by RedShoe
            A trailer, is a 30 second preview of a movie you have in your members area. Some guys like to make theirs 45 seconds, or a minute... I've even seen them longer. They are fools. The attention span of your average person is 30 seconds. (I wrote a huge article on this subject, I've studied it thouroughly)

            A trailer is the one tool that really gives a potential customer a true sense as to what he'll get as a member. Images and girls can be airbrushed on tours, and so it's the trailer (or the movie preview) that allows them to see EXACTLY what they will be getting.
            LOL. I *know* what a trailer is...what I wanna REALLY know is how far you gonna go with it? Lemme see what you expect to get paid $300 for...

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            • TDF
              Triple OG nigga on GFY
              • Mar 2002
              • 27296

              #7
              good video editors are so very ahrd to find...and redshoe is one of the best ones I have seen for adult
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              • Morgan
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • May 2002
                • 10520

                #8
                redshoe makes the best trailers
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                • RedShoe
                  赤い靴 call me 202-456-1111
                  • Feb 2001
                  • 14831

                  #9
                  Originally posted by SomeCreep
                  Business doesnt work that way. You know what supply and demand is right? Well, currently there is a large supply of video editors, but not a large demand for them. Therefore prices go down. Video editors must lower their prices to stay competitive. Those that insist on keeping their prices high will lose business. Simple.
                  No. There is a large supply of really shitty editors that work for pennies.

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                  • Mutt
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 34431

                    #10
                    redshoe is the best at what he does. it's the same problem as content guys have, designers and programmers ....... and NO it has nothing to do with supply and demand, it has EVERYTHING to do with STUPIDITY - imbeciles who whore themselves out for chump change who drag all their brethren down with them.
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                    • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                      best designer on GFY
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 30307

                      #11
                      750.00 is still low for a guy with your skills.

                      Redshoe your pain is the same for designers as well.
                      Real ones.

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                      • DeanCapture
                        Haters & Trolls SUCK!
                        • Dec 2002
                        • 9275

                        #12
                        Redshoe - the difference in you and the rest of those editors is that you've got true skills my friend. I can't tell you how many people have contacted me over the last few months about the possibility of me shooting content for their website. But when I quote them my day rate....I never hear back from them. I've been studying photography for over 15 years and if they think I'm going to shoot for them for the same price as someone who started learning photography last year - they have a few loose screws man

                        You and I are anal about the quality of our work ... and it shows. Not everyone in this business who produces a product is as picky about their work as we are. If someone wants your talent bro' - they'll pay you for it. If not...let them go down the street and work with the other guys. I'd rather pay $300 for a trailer that converts than $50 for a trailer that does nothing but sit on my site and use up my bandwidth!

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                        • Sly
                          Let's do some business!
                          • Sep 2004
                          • 31380

                          #13
                          The value of a particular tool is only worth X amount of dollars no matter how great that tool is.
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                          • yuvalus
                            Confirmed User
                            • Oct 2003
                            • 1906

                            #14
                            Someone call Eliot Spitzer,

                            btw, what do you do as video editor? Taking excerpts of the scene and make a trailer? Does it incluing making up titles?
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                            • Theo
                              HAL 9000
                              • May 2001
                              • 34515

                              #15
                              $300 sounds too much for an adult trailer.

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                              • After Shock Media
                                It's coming look busy
                                • Mar 2001
                                • 35299

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                $300 sounds too much for an adult trailer.
                                Obviously you have not seen how well they get the surfers past the processor.

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                                • HDADULT
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Aug 2005
                                  • 1152

                                  #17
                                  I have seen your work Redshoe and took the time to check out your site
                                  where you have talent and excellent demos. Do not worry about what other people charge because that has no effect on what you charge. If people want tobeat you up on price then they dont value your service and tell them to go elsewhere. Like any other product...there is price, quality, and service.
                                  Ask them which one they are most important to them and that will weed em out. They should pay for what you think is the best "message" from the ideas they give you. They need to realize and give you the power and trust you with what they get as the final product. If they want to change it fuck that because it ruins the flow, pace, etc etc you know what im saying.
                                  hope my ramblings help. I hate when idiots sit behind me when i am editing
                                  and control the edit...i feel your pain.
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                                  • wedouglas
                                    So Fucking Banned
                                    • Aug 2004
                                    • 5921

                                    #18
                                    lol what a waste. 750 for a tailer. should cost like 100.

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                                    • basschick
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jan 2001
                                      • 2540

                                      #19
                                      i've seen a fair amount of trailers made from full videos i was familiar with, and most people who make trailers have no idea of what should really be in a trailer - i think they just put in any 4 - 6 pieces together. they don't put together a few pieces that tell the story or define the site or make people horny.
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                                      • TheDoc
                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                        • Jul 2001
                                        • 13827

                                        #20
                                        $300 isn't a bad price but it is a bit expensive.. It kinda depends on if you have ready to go videos for the trailers or if you have start from a fresh rip.. It doesn't take long to make a good trailer.
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                                        • wedouglas
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Aug 2004
                                          • 5921

                                          #21
                                          what system do you use? avid? final cut? dv express?

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                                          • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                            best designer on GFY
                                            • Mar 2003
                                            • 30307

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by wedouglas
                                            what system do you use? avid? final cut? dv express?
                                            You are fucking moron.

                                            You whine about $300.00 being to much and in the same thread ask what tools he uses...


                                            Heheheh

                                            Priceless....

                                            STFU and read more of gfy before posting again please.
                                            Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 08-05-2005, 04:50 PM.

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                                            • wedouglas
                                              So Fucking Banned
                                              • Aug 2004
                                              • 5921

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by AlienQ
                                              You are fucking moron.

                                              You whine about $300.00 being to much and in the same thread ask what tools he uses...


                                              Heheheh

                                              Priceless....

                                              STFU and read more of gfy before posting again please.
                                              What ever you say chief. Either way its to much for what it is.

                                              Not bashing his abilities in anyway, but the clips dont look like the have anything complex going on. Its not like you're dealing with complex layering and effect work etc. We're talking about an hour to 2 hours of work tops
                                              Last edited by wedouglas; 08-05-2005, 05:01 PM.

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                                              • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                best designer on GFY
                                                • Mar 2003
                                                • 30307

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by wedouglas
                                                What ever you say chief. Either way its to much for what it is.

                                                Not bashing his abilities in anyway, but the clips dont look like the have anything complex going on. Its not like you're dealing with complex layering and effect work etc.
                                                DO you edit video?

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                                                • 3piece chicken Dinner
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Jan 2005
                                                  • 1065

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                  You are fucking moron.

                                                  You whine about $300.00 being to much and in the same thread ask what tools he uses...


                                                  Heheheh

                                                  Priceless....

                                                  STFU and read more of gfy before posting again please.
                                                  Good point alien



                                                  btw. you know where I can get a cracked copy of photoshop and the url to your portfolio????
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                                                  • wedouglas
                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                    • Aug 2004
                                                    • 5921

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by AlienQ
                                                    DO you edit video?
                                                    Yes. I used to edit and composite. Worked on Avid and used Discreet Combustion for compositing. Original career path was effects work. Kind of got boring for me. Decided engineering was a better choice. Oh, also worked with 3dsmax a while back.
                                                    Last edited by wedouglas; 08-05-2005, 05:04 PM.

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                                                    • DirtyDanza
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                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                      • 8375

                                                      #27
                                                      by the way your quote there is from the movie COLORS thats what hodges says to pacman.. then pacman trys to say it at the end
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                                                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                        best designer on GFY
                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                        • 30307

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by 3piece chicken Dinner
                                                        Good point alien



                                                        btw. you know where I can get a cracked copy of photoshop and the url to your portfolio????
                                                        I been waiting for you to contact me.

                                                        Its inevitable. I been wondering who you are.
                                                        Because ya are not a dumbass. Ya post some very inciteful shit.

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                                                        • josian
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Feb 2005
                                                          • 274

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                          $300 sounds too much for an adult trailer.
                                                          hell too much!!!!

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                                                          • josian
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Feb 2005
                                                            • 274

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by wedouglas
                                                            lol what a waste. 750 for a tailer. should cost like 100.
                                                            I say 50.00 to 75.00 each MAX!

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                                                            • boneprone
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                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                              • 34415

                                                              #31
                                                              I sale cheap trailer.

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                                                              • bhutocracy
                                                                Not making A Comeback
                                                                • Dec 2001
                                                                • 10218

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                redshoe is the best at what he does. it's the same problem as content guys have, designers and programmers ....... and NO it has nothing to do with supply and demand, it has EVERYTHING to do with STUPIDITY - imbeciles who whore themselves out for chump change who drag all their brethren down with them.
                                                                Well.. no.. it's more to do with a having an instant global market here. People don't choose to work for $10 an hour. They work for $10 an hour because there are half a dozen philipines based studios on gfy soliciting work all day.

                                                                Redshoe... develop your mainstream stuff
                                                                Last edited by bhutocracy; 08-06-2005, 12:31 AM.

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                                                                • bigdog
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                  • 6964

                                                                  #33
                                                                  what are some hot trailers that redshoe has done for paysites

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                                                                  • xenigo
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                    • 8067

                                                                    #34
                                                                    There's only one Redd Shuu You've got a great product. Don't worry about what people think of your price. Smart people will realize the value. Just realize there's NO editors in adult with your caliber of skills on the market.

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                                                                    • BRISK
                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                      • Feb 2003
                                                                      • 12240

                                                                      #35
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                                                                      • SinisterStudios
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                                                                        • Nov 2003
                                                                        • 3087

                                                                        #36
                                                                        You get what you pay for, and if your trying to convert surfers why wouldnt you want to have the experience of a person who knows the industry and how to convert surfers to paying customers? I understand the value of a great editor and have 1 on staff. Would you rather have a trailer thats the same as every other trailer the surfers look at, or one that makes them stop and watch and then whip out the Credit Cards to buy into the fantasy?? I guess thats the difference between people who run successful businesses and the rest of the cookie cutter programs out there.
                                                                        You cant put a price on quality, PERIOD!!! Props to Redshoe, his work is great and he knows the industry very very well. Plus he has the best tag line on his site;


                                                                        "All prices are subject to negotiation. HOWEVER all prices WILL be negotiated on the following scale.

                                                                        GOOD / FAST / CHEAP

                                                                        You can select only two if you want to enter negotiations with me.
                                                                        You can select 2 but NOT all 3. And right now my prices are based on "Good and Cheap".

                                                                        You dig? "
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                                                                        • aleck
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                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                          • 940

                                                                          #37
                                                                          if a trailer can get 5% more visitors signed up - $1500 is ok.
                                                                          come trade shemale traffic here

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                                                                          • PhotoGreggXXX
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • May 2003
                                                                            • 1616

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Hmmm, we include trailers with scenes.

                                                                            Typical exclusive handjob scene includes hi-res pics, video encoded per specs and trailer for $400, and most folks turn that down...too expensive

                                                                            RedShoe's trailers are kick ass, but I'm sure the market is small or adult companies buying much...most are toooooo cheap

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                                                                            • pr0
                                                                              rockin tha trailerpark
                                                                              • May 2001
                                                                              • 23088

                                                                              #39
                                                                              I'm personally going to get into video editing at this point & charge half what you do....all because you called people in VA hicks.
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                                                                              • bigdog
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                                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                                • 6964

                                                                                #40
                                                                                redshoe have you done trailers for any of the large pps programs out there?

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                                                                                • eroswebmaster
                                                                                  March 1st, 2003
                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                  • 20295

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Redshoe it won't happen.
                                                                                  I had to deal with this whole price war when it came to design.
                                                                                  There will always be some 3rd world monkey, or starvign eastern european, or dumb ass college kid who will do it for next to nothing.

                                                                                  This industry honestly is a joke when it comes to professionalism. They expect to be able to make a 1,000x's what they invested on something whether it's a gallery, tour, or trailer without spending much on it.

                                                                                  Let me give you an example of the funniest things I saw on here.

                                                                                  For months KRL walked around here like he was the cock o the walk talkinga bout how much mainstream spent on this...mainstream spent on that...and when it came to logos it was int he 10's of $1,000's because of all the marketing research they would do on it.

                                                                                  So when he, whoever buys men.com Do they go to one of these big time mainstream companies who have had years of research behind them to design a logo that will get people to remember the site?

                                                                                  No. He holds a GFY logo contest and gives away something like $500 ROFL.

                                                                                  Just shows the true colors of the level of professionalism you can expect from this "industry."
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                                                                                  • tony299
                                                                                    lurker
                                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                                    • 57021

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    750 lots of changes you must be talking about the joys of mainstream lol My favorite is after you finish they get to review it and then ask for more changes. What makes you crazy is you know they will make suggestions whether its ok or not because its corporate america and everyone wants their hand on it. When my site goes up, got the domain adultvideoeditor.com, I will do same prices as you I agree why did I go to all the classes and all learning to give my skills away.

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                                                                                    • Big E
                                                                                      Registered User
                                                                                      • Mar 2002
                                                                                      • 935

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      I firmly believe in paying for quality, but sometimes you find those top quality people who will work for great prices.

                                                                                      I've got a local video guy who I just happened to randomly find and he's been unbelievable:

                                                                                      http://events.macandbumble.com/trail...iler_Final.wmv

                                                                                      He's chopping full DV tapes for $200 per tape including trailers.

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                                                                                      • Theo
                                                                                        HAL 9000
                                                                                        • May 2001
                                                                                        • 34515

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by After Shock Media
                                                                                        Obviously you have not seen how well they get the surfers past the processor.
                                                                                        the opposite, i' m aware of it, but according to our needs personally I cannot justify $300/edited trailer. No offense to redshoe, he is great on what he does and I've recommended it him several times in the past. If your needs are 3-4 trailers and that's all, that's miniimal cost, but when you deal with thousands it's non-sense.

                                                                                        Now regarding quality vs cost. High cost doesn't automatically guarantee you great quality. Lower cost isn't automatically translated to low or average quality. Those working on service sector are ready to use any bs reason to justify their price. I'll give you a real example happened to me about 10 days ago. A had an meeting for a middle-size accounting firm to deal with some task for one of my companies. They came up with 14k euro (christ) for a job needed less than a week. When I told them they are crazy, they were telling me all kind of bs reasons reaching the level to say anyone that will provide lower price won't do proper accounting work. Next day I got a quote for the same job from PWHC and KPMG, both quotes were for almost HALF price. I got quote also from other middle-size accounting firms, they were from 1/5 to 1/7 of the initial offer. Same service, same procedure everything.

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                                                                                        • DeanCapture
                                                                                          Haters & Trolls SUCK!
                                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                                          • 9275

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Big E
                                                                                          I firmly believe in paying for quality, but sometimes you find those top quality people who will work for great prices.

                                                                                          I've got a local video guy who I just happened to randomly find and he's been unbelievable:

                                                                                          http://events.macandbumble.com/trail...iler_Final.wmv

                                                                                          He's chopping full DV tapes for $200 per tape including trailers.
                                                                                          Niiiiice
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                                                                                          • Translation
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                                                                                            • Jul 2005
                                                                                            • 482

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Collusion.

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                                                                                            • fris
                                                                                              I have to go potty
                                                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                                                              • 55878

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                                                              $300 sounds too much for an adult trailer.
                                                                                              anyone would pay more than that for redshoes work
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