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  • baddog
    So Fucking Banned
    • Apr 2001
    • 107089
    #101
    Originally posted by mardigras
    245(a), the crime the child was actually charged with is assault with a deadly weapon other than a firearm. She defended herself on her own property and this case was rightfully thrown out.
    245(a) is the penalty for conviction of CPC section 240. 240 is the definition of the crime.


    245. (a) (1) Any person who commits an assault upon the person of
    another with a deadly weapon or instrument other than a firearm or by
    any means of force likely to produce great bodily injury shall be
    punished by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three, or four
    years, or in a county jail for not exceeding one year, or by a fine
    not exceeding ten thousand dollars ($10,000), or by both the fine and
    imprisonment.

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      • rickholio
        Confirmed User
        • Jan 2004
        • 1914
        #102
        Originally posted by 12clicks
        oh please. what a story.
        what were you claiming as facts again?
        Fact: Individuals are independently leaving their home countries to join in the insurgency in iraq. These are individuals that have never before engaged in any sort of military action, and have little to no training (as is quoted in the CSIS report).

        ... and the 'story' was an attempt at giving you context in an easily recognizable framework, because I had serious doubts that you could put yourself in the shoes of one of these 'spontaneous combattants'. I don't know about you, but if my family was killed by a foreign invader I would sure as fuck be 'radicalized', in a fucking heartbeat. My entire existance would shift to thinking of ways to kill the enemy, perferably inflicting as much pain and suffering in the process as possible, and I certainly wouldn't feel that thin red lines on a map held any power to stop my thirst for vengeance.

        It's rediculous to think that they wouldn't be as well, or any person who isn't a complete societal outcast. It shouldn't come as any great surprise why the insurgency keeps growing when you look at civilian casualties. Just the fallujah campaign alone would probably bring thousands.

        ... and that only touches on one motivator for radicalization: revenge. That doesn't even touch on idiological, religious, racial or nationalist agendas.
        ~

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          • 12clicks
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Jan 2001
            • 19814
            #103
            Originally posted by rickholio
            You may be right. I don't keep track of what other people post... usually when I chime in, it's because I see facts being abused in an egregious manner and I'm compelled to lay down some reality.
            all you had to do is read the thread.


            Originally posted by rickholio
            If that is the point, then yes, bad things happen. It's life, sadly. Your original post though made it appear as though you were equating the two systems which is obviously and demonstrably wrong.
            incorrect.my original post had nothing to do with equating anything. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are talking about later posts. I suggest you re-read the back and forth between rich and I.

            Originally posted by rickholio
            No, the point was a) to make sure people are getting something approximating full disclosure and b) to demonstrate the circumstances. If these cops are in the middle of what basically amounts to a low-intensity gang fracas, they're going to be more on edge and more likely to produce and use thier sidearms. You were equating the dubious actions of a cop in the middle of a heated gang conflict versus that of multiple cops against one small 11 year old girl who threw a rock at boys who were tormenting her. Like I said before, baseball and waterskis.
            ahh, so then its ok to shoot a kid in the back.
            you understand what your back is, right?
            but putting handcuffs on a girl is far worse because, well, it happened in the US.
            I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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              • mardigras
                Bon temps!
                • Feb 2003
                • 14194
                #104
                Originally posted by baddog
                It was assault with a deadly weapon aka a 2 lb rock. Doesn't really matter how old the kid was. You think kids get a free pass or something?
                I'm an adult and if you are threatening me on my property I'm slamming your ass. Capish?
                .

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                  • 12clicks
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Jan 2001
                    • 19814
                    #105
                    Nice try rick.
                    Originally posted by rickholio
                    Fact: Individuals are independently leaving their home countries to join in the insurgency in iraq. These are individuals that have never before engaged in any sort of military action, and have little to no training (as is quoted in the CSIS report).
                    the above quote by you is a fact.

                    Originally posted by rickholio
                    and the 'story' was an attempt at giving you context in an easily recognizable framework, because I had serious doubts that you could put yourself in the shoes of one of these 'spontaneous combattants'. I don't know about you, but if my family was killed by a foreign invader I would sure as fuck be 'radicalized', in a fucking heartbeat. My entire existance would shift to thinking of ways to kill the enemy, perferably inflicting as much pain and suffering in the process as possible, and I certainly wouldn't feel that thin red lines on a map held any power to stop my thirst for vengeance.

                    It's rediculous to think that they wouldn't be as well, or any person who isn't a complete societal outcast. It shouldn't come as any great surprise why the insurgency keeps growing when you look at civilian casualties. Just the fallujah campaign alone would probably bring thousands.

                    ... and that only touches on one motivator for radicalization: revenge. That doesn't even touch on idiological, religious, racial or nationalist agendas.
                    the rest of this is a lie. please point out in your CSIS report where it states that people are leaving their home countries to fight in iraq because of "revenge" or even show me in the report where people are leaving their home country becuase their family had been killed in iraq.

                    I'll wait.
                    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                      • WarChild
                        Let slip the dogs of war.
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 17263
                        #106
                        Originally posted by mardigras
                        I'm an adult and if you are threatening me on my property I'm slamming your ass. Capish?
                        You don't think it's better to teach children to walk away from a situation when they can?
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                          • mardigras
                            Bon temps!
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 14194
                            #107
                            Originally posted by 12clicks
                            I'll wait.
                            Please start another thread to wait in, it is so 180 anything the intention of this one
                            .

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                              • CDSmith
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • May 2001
                                • 51460
                                #108
                                Originally posted by baddog
                                It was assault with a deadly weapon aka a 2 lb rock. Doesn't really matter how old the kid was. You think kids get a free pass or something?
                                Hang on, was there any bullying going on to provoke the girl to throw the rock?

                                Because I'll tell you, there were two brothers that lived one street over from me when I was a kid of about 7 or 8. They would spot me or any other kids from my street, would chase you down and either surround you and scare the shit out of you, push you around, smack the shit out of you, or whatever.... always 2 on 1, and they were a year or two older than all the kids on my street.

                                I would have loved it if someone had picked up a rock and fucking beaned one of those shitheads.

                                In fact come to think of it, one afternoon my cousin was visiting us, he was about the same age as those two brothers. The bullies went riding past the house on their bikes, I pointed them out to my cousin who took off running, body-tackled the older brother and kicked his fucking head in.

                                They never came sniffing around my street after that.

                                I don't say tossing rocks is the way to go, but by the same token I don't like bullies either. When a little bastard decides to bully another kid, usually a weaker kid who is outnumbered, they run a certain risk. If they get a fist in the face or a rock in the head, well.... maybe they shouldn't play the role of a bully from then on?

                                Food for thought.
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                                  • WarChild
                                    Let slip the dogs of war.
                                    • Jan 2003
                                    • 17263
                                    #109
                                    Originally posted by mardigras
                                    I'm an adult and if you are threatening me on my property I'm slamming your ass. Capish?
                                    What about this situation:

                                    You're cutting your lawn. I walk up to the end of your driveway and start calling you names. You ask me to leave. I stand there calling you names. Now you're going to throw a rock at me or in some other way try to physically remove me because you feel threatened? I mean, you could go in your house and call the police, but instead you're going to try and assault me?

                                    So let's say you throw a rock at me, at it hits me and it hurts. I get angry. I bash your face in or better yet I shoot you. You're still just an innocent victim in all this right? I mean, you didn't participate in you getting hurt at all? See where I'm going with this?
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                                      • 12clicks
                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                        • Jan 2001
                                        • 19814
                                        #110
                                        Originally posted by mardigras
                                        Please start another thread to wait in, it is so 180 anything the intention of this one
                                        you're canadian aren't you?
                                        I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                          • mardigras
                                            Bon temps!
                                            • Feb 2003
                                            • 14194
                                            #111
                                            Originally posted by WarChild
                                            You don't think it's better to teach children to walk away from a situation when they can?
                                            If I am on my property, where the fuck am I walking to?
                                            .

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                                              • mardigras
                                                Bon temps!
                                                • Feb 2003
                                                • 14194
                                                #112
                                                Originally posted by WarChild
                                                What about this situation:

                                                You're cutting your lawn. I walk up to the end of your driveway and start calling you names. You ask me to leave. I stand there calling you names. Now you're going to throw a rock at me or in some other way try to physically remove me because you feel threatened? I mean, you could go in your house and call the police, but instead you're going to try and assault me?

                                                So let's say you throw a rock at me, at it hits me and it hurts. I get angry. I bash your face in or better yet I shoot you. You're still just an innocent victim in all this right? I mean, you didn't participate in you getting hurt at all? See where I'm going with this?
                                                Nowhere in your scenario did you assault me first, which was the case we are discussing.
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                                                  • rickholio
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Jan 2004
                                                    • 1914
                                                    #113
                                                    Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                    rick, the part of reality that you can't see is the part where islamic fundamentalists who number in the millions grab any excuse they can to kill the infidel.
                                                    Please cite the 'number in the millions' source. From what sources I've seen, militant islamic fundimentalists numbered not more than a few 10s of thousands across the world... at least, until lately. There's no doubt recruitment and volunteerism is at an all time high.

                                                    what was their reason for 9/11 again?
                                                    what was the reason for the bombing in Egypt the other day?
                                                    what was their reason for the bombings in maylasia?
                                                    What am I, your mother? Do your own research. Bin Laden's reasons were quite clearly laid out multiple times.

                                                    you see, when you actually look at the facts, not the opinions you like to call facts, you'll see that islamic fundamentalists go from reason to reason to kill people. You clowns that think you can reason with them would be found dead still clutching your white flag.
                                                    Ah yes, the all ever-so-unreasonable terrorists who thirst for white man blood. Except when they don't.

                                                    Like these italians...
                                                    ... and these japanese...
                                                    ... and that reporter lady. Oops! Shot by marines on her way home!

                                                    You've clearly dehumanized these people, assigning to all of them single motives and single influences. You need to realize that everyone fights for their own reasons, and a lot of what's happening right now in iraq has nothing to with militant islamic fundimentalism... or didn't, until the US invasion made it so.

                                                    As for the 'white flag' quip, save that crap for your imaginary straw man liberals, few if any of which actually exist in the form your warped definition portrays. Most people I know that were against the war were against it because it was because the reasons for going in were obvious bullshit, and are still against it because thousands upon thousands of innocents are dying for still obvious bullshit. A lot of those liberals are actually in-country trying to save YOUR ass, I might add.

                                                    Which makes me wonder why, if you're such a big supporter of the iraq war, you're not over there yourself. Hm? Afraid?
                                                    ~

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                                                      • WarChild
                                                        Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                        • 17263
                                                        #114
                                                        Originally posted by mardigras
                                                        If I am on my property, where the fuck am I walking to?
                                                        Just don't be upset when a child you've taught to throw rock to solve it's problems instead of coming to you or another adult gets beaten up badly or even killed. You layed that foundation yourself.
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                                                          • mardigras
                                                            Bon temps!
                                                            • Feb 2003
                                                            • 14194
                                                            #115
                                                            Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                            Hang on, was there any bullying going on to provoke the girl to throw the rock?
                                                            Oh CD, please read the threads
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                                                              • WarChild
                                                                Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                • 17263
                                                                #116
                                                                Originally posted by mardigras
                                                                Nowhere in your scenario did you assault me first, which was the case we are discussing.
                                                                They were throwing water baloons. Fine, say I was standing at the end of your driveway throwing water baloons at you. You throw a rock at me, and because I'm stupid enough to be standing around throwing water balloons in the first place, I just flip out and beat you nearly dead.

                                                                You might be in the right legally, but if you think you didn't play a part in yoru own trauma you're totally off base.

                                                                Please note I am using you and me as examples only and am in no way trying to imply a threat to you.
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                                                                  • rickholio
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Jan 2004
                                                                    • 1914
                                                                    #117
                                                                    Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                    the rest of this is a lie. please point out in your CSIS report where it states that people are leaving their home countries to fight in iraq because of "revenge" or even show me in the report where people are leaving their home country becuase their family had been killed in iraq.

                                                                    I'll wait.
                                                                    This is not a 'lie'. This is 'conjecture', and a very reasonable one based on easily understandable motivations of revenge. I didn't even touch on the idiology aspect which you seemed so fixated on.

                                                                    By rejecting this scenario, you're de facto claiming that not a single insurgent is there for revenge.
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                                                                      • mardigras
                                                                        Bon temps!
                                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                                        • 14194
                                                                        #118
                                                                        Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                        you're canadian aren't you?
                                                                        You wish.
                                                                        .

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                                                                          • WarChild
                                                                            Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                                            • 17263
                                                                            #119
                                                                            How do you get that these boys were threatening her out of:

                                                                            The arrest happened in April 2005 when Maribel was outside her home and several neighborhood boys rode by on their bikes, teasing her, calling her names, and throwing water balloons at her.

                                                                            Rode by on their bikes? How does that become on her property threatening her?

                                                                            You'll also note that the charges were not outright dismissed, she wasn't found not guilty, the lawyers cut a deal.
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                                                                              • 2257-Ben
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Jun 2005
                                                                                • 633
                                                                                #120
                                                                                If she can throw a 2 lb. rock that well, she should be on the prison softball team....
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                                                                                  • mardigras
                                                                                    Bon temps!
                                                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                                                    • 14194
                                                                                    #121
                                                                                    Originally posted by WarChild
                                                                                    Just don't be upset when a child you've taught to throw rock to solve it's problems instead of coming to you or another adult gets beaten up badly or even killed. You layed that foundation yourself.
                                                                                    Good God, that is a freakesh argument to suggest that teaching a kid to stay in his own yard and take care of his own is a life or death situation. I must be an old outdated fuck
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                                                                                      • rickholio
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Jan 2004
                                                                                        • 1914
                                                                                        #122
                                                                                        Originally posted by rickholio
                                                                                        This is not a 'lie'. This is 'conjecture', and a very reasonable one based on easily understandable motivations of revenge. I didn't even touch on the idiology aspect which you seemed so fixated on.

                                                                                        By rejecting this scenario, you're de facto claiming that not a single insurgent is there for revenge.
                                                                                        A more recent article, citing studies by saudi arabia and israel claiming that foreign fighters in iraq are being, and I quote, 'radicalized by the war in iraq'. They cite idiological reasons as primary motivation, which if you look back, I included as possible reasons for radicalization.

                                                                                        I understand why you would not like to see this as being reality. The existance of such reports, confirmed by diverse sources, adds weight to some peoples (read: your omnipresent 'liberals') claims before invasion that a war in iraq would increase terrorism, not decrease it. That has now turned out to be true.
                                                                                        Last edited by rickholio; 08-03-2005, 06:45 PM.
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                                                                                          • WarChild
                                                                                            Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                                                            • 17263
                                                                                            #123
                                                                                            Originally posted by mardigras
                                                                                            Good God, that is a freakesh argument to suggest that teaching a kid to stay in his own yard and take care of his own is a life or death situation. I must be an old outdated fuck
                                                                                            Well you advocate throwing rocks at people calling you names and throwing about water. You don't think a child will get the wrong message from that? Next time somebody calls them a name they don't like, maybe this time it's a fist fight. What if your child comes out on the losing end of that battle? Is he a poor innocent victim of bullies now?
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                                                                                              • 12clicks
                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                • Jan 2001
                                                                                                • 19814
                                                                                                #124
                                                                                                Originally posted by rickholio
                                                                                                Please cite the 'number in the millions' source. From what sources I've seen, militant islamic fundimentalists numbered not more than a few 10s of thousands across the world... at least, until lately. There's no doubt recruitment and volunteerism is at an all time high.
                                                                                                look at any poll of muslim scum who say they support terrorism. take that % and multiply it by the number of muslim scum in the world and you get to my millions number. you can do simple math can't you?


                                                                                                Originally posted by rickholio
                                                                                                What am I, your mother? Do your own research. Bin Laden's reasons were quite clearly laid out multiple times..
                                                                                                No, you're a guy who can't answer the question who's pretending he has some knowledge that I don't.

                                                                                                please son, put me in my place and tell us all about bin laden's reasons for bombing maylasia, egypt, and all the other no US targets.
                                                                                                haha, I love it when they start grasping at straws.



                                                                                                Originally posted by rickholio
                                                                                                Like these italians...
                                                                                                ... and these japanese...
                                                                                                ... and that reporter lady. Oops! Shot by marines on her way home!
                                                                                                ricky, why aren't the families of these people off in iraq fighting the US?


                                                                                                Originally posted by rickholio
                                                                                                You've clearly dehumanized these people, assigning to all of them single motives and single influences. You need to realize that everyone fights for their own reasons, and a lot of what's happening right now in iraq has nothing to with militant islamic fundimentalism... or didn't, until the US invasion made it so.
                                                                                                you're not going back to that well again after I embarrassed you with you "facts" from your other post about their "revenge" motive, are you?

                                                                                                Originally posted by rickholio
                                                                                                As for the 'white flag' quip, save that crap for your imaginary straw man liberals, few if any of which actually exist in the form your warped definition portrays.
                                                                                                nah, it fits you fine.

                                                                                                Originally posted by rickholio
                                                                                                Most people I know that were against the war were against it because it was because the reasons for going in were obvious bullshit, and are still against it because thousands upon thousands of innocents are dying for still obvious bullshit.
                                                                                                obvios to a moron maybe.

                                                                                                Originally posted by rickholio
                                                                                                A lot of those liberals are actually in-country trying to save YOUR ass, I might add.
                                                                                                which is it ricky, saving my ass or causing peaceful muslims to hate me. hahaha.
                                                                                                don't get all confused trying to insult me.
                                                                                                Originally posted by rickholio
                                                                                                Which makes me wonder why, if you're such a big supporter of the iraq war, you're not over there yourself. Hm? Afraid?
                                                                                                yeah ricky, I'm afraid. if you want to trade insults because you don't have facts, I'll win that battle too.
                                                                                                I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                  • rickholio
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Jan 2004
                                                                                                    • 1914
                                                                                                    #125
                                                                                                    Originally posted by WarChild
                                                                                                    Well you advocate throwing rocks at people calling you names and throwing about water. You don't think a child will get the wrong message from that? Next time somebody calls them a name they don't like, maybe this time it's a fist fight. What if your child comes out on the losing end of that battle? Is he a poor innocent victim of bullies now?
                                                                                                    The whole thing was blown waaaaay out of proportion imo. The issue wasn't that the girl got a visit from the local PD, which was quite appropriate. It was that they gangsta-busted her little 11 year old ass because she might have been carrying a loaded peice of igneous rock.

                                                                                                    Not the arrest itself, but the way it was carried out, was what was being contested.

                                                                                                    At least, that's the way I saw it. I didn't make the article.
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                                                                                                      • mardigras
                                                                                                        Bon temps!
                                                                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                                                                        • 14194
                                                                                                        #126
                                                                                                        Originally posted by WarChild
                                                                                                        They were throwing water baloons. Fine, say I was standing at the end of your driveway throwing water baloons at you. You throw a rock at me, and because I'm stupid enough to be standing around throwing water balloons in the first place, I just flip out and beat you nearly dead.

                                                                                                        You might be in the right legally, but if you think you didn't play a part in yoru own trauma you're totally off base.

                                                                                                        Please note I am using you and me as examples only and am in no way trying to imply a threat to you.
                                                                                                        No warchild, the water balloons were the straw breaker that caused this child who had been harrassed in her own yard many times by these same boys to defend herself. Do you really think she deserves 4 years in prison as felony sentence, $10,000 fine and probation? Do you really?
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                                                                                                          • baddog
                                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                            • Apr 2001
                                                                                                            • 107089
                                                                                                            #127
                                                                                                            Originally posted by WarChild
                                                                                                            You don't think it's better to teach children to walk away from a situation when they can?

                                                                                                            He will never have children, so probably something he never thought about

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                                                                                                              • 12clicks
                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                • 19814
                                                                                                                #128
                                                                                                                Originally posted by rickholio
                                                                                                                This is not a 'lie'. This is 'conjecture', and a very reasonable one based on easily understandable motivations of revenge. I didn't even touch on the idiology aspect which you seemed so fixated on.

                                                                                                                By rejecting this scenario, you're de facto claiming that not a single insurgent is there for revenge.
                                                                                                                rick, I'm done. when my opponent starts lying to keep up, I'm not interested in the debate.
                                                                                                                you keep calling your lies "conjecture"
                                                                                                                I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                  • CDSmith
                                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                                                                    • 51460
                                                                                                                    #129
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by mardigras
                                                                                                                    Oh CD, please read the threads
                                                                                                                    A yes or no would have sufficed. Would have saved you typing a few extra words too.
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                                                                                                                      • WarChild
                                                                                                                        Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                                                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                        • 17263
                                                                                                                        #130
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by mardigras
                                                                                                                        defend herself.
                                                                                                                        Defend herself from what? Were they attacking her? The article doesn't say that. The article doesn't say they were on her property, attacking her or even threatening her. These boys were throwing water balloons and words.

                                                                                                                        Obviously this 11 year old child shouldn't be thrown in Jail and convicted of a felony. On the same hand, you suggesting that this is a reaction that is acceptable or should be encouraged from a child seems a little off base also.
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                                                                                                                          • baddog
                                                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                            • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                            • 107089
                                                                                                                            #131
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by mardigras
                                                                                                                            Good God, that is a freakesh argument to suggest that teaching a kid to stay in his own yard and take care of his own is a life or death situation. I must be an old outdated fuck

                                                                                                                            Using your logic, she would have been within her rights to go in the house, grab her dad's revolver, and come back and blow the kid away . . . because he called her names, or because of the water balloons? That is the part I am not sure about.

                                                                                                                            Is it the name calling or the water balloon that justified the assault with a deadly weapon?

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                                                                                                                              • mardigras
                                                                                                                                Bon temps!
                                                                                                                                • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                • 14194
                                                                                                                                #132
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                He will never have children, so probably something he never thought about
                                                                                                                                No baddog, I won't ever have kids. So what? Man I hope your kids will never be charged with a felony for crap we all went through as kids We aren't talking about something that happened at as a result of some dumbass place or situation that she wasn't supposed to be. She was HOME and these boys trespassed at HER home and fucked with her. It blows my mind you would support it. Do YOU have kids? Can I come throw shit and insults at them in your yard?
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                                                                                                                                  • baddog
                                                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                    • 107089
                                                                                                                                    #133
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by mardigras
                                                                                                                                    No baddog, I won't ever have kids. So what? Man I hope your kids will never be charged with a felony for crap we all went through as kids We aren't talking about something that happened at as a result of some dumbass place or situation that she wasn't supposed to be. She was HOME and these boys trespassed at HER home and fucked with her. It blows my mind you would support it. Do YOU have kids? Can I come throw shit and insults at them in your yard?

                                                                                                                                    Where was the trespassing? I did not read that. There is a thing called reasonable force.

                                                                                                                                    A 2 pound rock is not a reasonable response to a water balloon unless we are talking the Goodyear blimp.

                                                                                                                                    You are welcome to attempt to do whatever you like, but I am reasonably certain that if I kick your ass for yelling names at my kids, I am going to be arrested.

                                                                                                                                    Care to give it a shot?

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                                                                                                                                      • mardigras
                                                                                                                                        Bon temps!
                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                        • 14194
                                                                                                                                        #134
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                                                        A yes or no would have sufficed. Would have saved you typing a few extra words too.
                                                                                                                                        Sorry CD, that answer had to go beyond yes or no

                                                                                                                                        It still didn't sink in to those intended so I do apologise to you personally if you took it personally
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                                                                                                                                          • rickholio
                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                            • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                            • 1914
                                                                                                                                            #135
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                                            rick, I'm done. when my opponent starts lying to keep up, I'm not interested in the debate.
                                                                                                                                            you keep calling your lies "conjecture"
                                                                                                                                            Heh, you consider the word 'afraid' to be an insult? How thin-skinned.

                                                                                                                                            And yes, it was conjecture. A theory, and a reasonable example as well. Perhaps you ARE afraid, if you cannot see why revenge would be a great motivator to radicalization. Afraid to put yourself in the situation... or perhaps unable? Have you no family you care about? If so, then my sample was in an alien context to you, as I didn't expect you to be some orphaned waif who turned to porn for lack of options.

                                                                                                                                            In any event, I wash my hands of you. I was probably foolish to expect reasoned and reasonable debate on the topic, rather that bigotry and petty childishness from you. I cannot help but keep optimism about the state of humanity even in spite of such egregious examples to the contrary.
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                                                                                                                                              • mardigras
                                                                                                                                                Bon temps!
                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2003
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                                                                                                                                                #136
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                                Where was the trespassing? I did not read that. There is a thing called reasonable force.

                                                                                                                                                A 2 pound rock is not a reasonable response to a water balloon unless we are talking the Goodyear blimp.

                                                                                                                                                You are welcome to attempt to do whatever you like, but I am reasonably certain that if I kick your ass for yelling names at my kids, I am going to be arrested.

                                                                                                                                                Care to give it a shot?
                                                                                                                                                If I come to your house and throw shit and words at your kid while they are in their own yard how reasonable is your response going to be?
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                                                                                                                                                  • baddog
                                                                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                                    • 107089
                                                                                                                                                    #137
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by mardigras
                                                                                                                                                    If I come to your house and throw shit and words at your kid while they are in their own yard how reasonable is your response going to be?

                                                                                                                                                    Like I said, care to give it a shot? I am willing to bet that if I toss a 2 lb brick at your head the cops are going to arrest me, and the State of California is going to prosecute me for a felony assault and battery.

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                                                                                                                                                      • mardigras
                                                                                                                                                        Bon temps!
                                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2003
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                                                                                                                                                        #138
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                                        Like I said, care to give it a shot? I am willing to bet that if I toss a 2 lb brick at your head the cops are going to arrest me, and the State of California is going to prosecute me for a felony assault and battery.
                                                                                                                                                        If it happens WHILE you are in your yard and I am fucking with you? Fuck, glad I passed up the chance to move to CA. Try that shit here, the instigator would go to jail first, then maybe the inappropriate responder. Sorry if that sounds redneck, anyone who knows me can tell you my queer ass ain't (since you brought it up).

                                                                                                                                                        Despite the 2 pound rock dispute in the ongoing official story, the boy's family apparently knew their own kid and didn't want to press charges, it was some local government twits that decided to persue what your and my parents would have smacked our asses over being involved in, and nobody would have ever been charged with a felony over.

                                                                                                                                                        http://www.turnto10.com/news/4802919/detail.html
                                                                                                                                                        The boy's family has since moved away. His parents had already declined to press charges.
                                                                                                                                                        Last edited by mardigras; 08-03-2005, 08:41 PM.
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                                                                                                                                                          • mardigras
                                                                                                                                                            Bon temps!
                                                                                                                                                            • Feb 2003
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                                                                                                                                                            #139
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by rickholio
                                                                                                                                                            In any event, I wash my hands of you. I was probably foolish to
                                                                                                                                                            even try to even try to engage him in reasoned discussion, even it it was off topic
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                                                                                                                                                              • baddog
                                                                                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                                                • 107089
                                                                                                                                                                #140
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by mardigras
                                                                                                                                                                Despite the 2 pound rock dispute in the ongoing official story, the boy's family apparently knew their own kid and didn't want to press charges, it was some local government twits that decided to persue what your and my parents would have smacked our asses over being involved in, and nobody would have ever been charged with a felony over.

                                                                                                                                                                Okay, I don't know how the law works in the sticks, but in the State of California citizens do not make the decision to press charges or not. It was never up to the family of the boy as to whether or not criminal charges would be pressed.

                                                                                                                                                                If I smash your face in with a brick the criminal charges are not going to be Mardigras vs baddog, it will be The State of California vs baddog.

                                                                                                                                                                The boy's family could file a civil suit which would be him vs the girl, but assault is a crime, and the state makes the decision to prosecute, not the victim.

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                                                                                                                                                                  • BVF
                                                                                                                                                                    Black Vagina Finder
                                                                                                                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                                    • 13975
                                                                                                                                                                    #141
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by rickholio
                                                                                                                                                                    Fact: Individuals are independently leaving their home countries to join in the insurgency in iraq. These are individuals that have never before engaged in any sort of military action, and have little to no training (as is quoted in the CSIS report).

                                                                                                                                                                    ... and the 'story' was an attempt at giving you context in an easily recognizable framework, because I had serious doubts that you could put yourself in the shoes of one of these 'spontaneous combattants'. I don't know about you, but if my family was killed by a foreign invader I would sure as fuck be 'radicalized', in a fucking heartbeat. My entire existance would shift to thinking of ways to kill the enemy, perferably inflicting as much pain and suffering in the process as possible, and I certainly wouldn't feel that thin red lines on a map held any power to stop my thirst for vengeance.

                                                                                                                                                                    It's rediculous to think that they wouldn't be as well, or any person who isn't a complete societal outcast. It shouldn't come as any great surprise why the insurgency keeps growing when you look at civilian casualties. Just the fallujah campaign alone would probably bring thousands.

                                                                                                                                                                    ... and that only touches on one motivator for radicalization: revenge. That doesn't even touch on idiological, religious, racial or nationalist agendas.

                                                                                                                                                                    Why are you writing a novel trying to argue with a moron? Don't waste your finger energy seriously.

                                                                                                                                                                    Never argue with fools because from a distance they can't tell who is who.
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                                                                                                                                                                      • mardigras
                                                                                                                                                                        Bon temps!
                                                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                        #142
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by WarChild
                                                                                                                                                                        Obviously this 11 year old child shouldn't be thrown in Jail and convicted of a felony.
                                                                                                                                                                        I missed this earlier gasp of common sense in this thread. I knew we could agree on something
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                                                                                                                                                                          • mardigras
                                                                                                                                                                            Bon temps!
                                                                                                                                                                            • Feb 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                            #143
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                                                            Okay, I don't know how the law works in the sticks,

                                                                                                                                                                            If I smash your face in with a brick the criminal charges are not going to be Mardigras vs baddog, it will be The State of California vs baddog.
                                                                                                                                                                            And if you smash my face in on my property in my sticks you are going to jail. Sorry your local jourisdiction allows people to trespass and harass
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                                                                                                                                                                              • poisson
                                                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                • 6474
                                                                                                                                                                                #144
                                                                                                                                                                                is it to late for sig spot?

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • mardigras
                                                                                                                                                                                    Bon temps!
                                                                                                                                                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 14194
                                                                                                                                                                                    #145
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by BVF
                                                                                                                                                                                    Never argue with fools
                                                                                                                                                                                    You are the most intelligent poster in this thread
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • mardigras
                                                                                                                                                                                        Bon temps!
                                                                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 14194
                                                                                                                                                                                        #146
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by poisson
                                                                                                                                                                                        is it to late for sig spot?
                                                                                                                                                                                        Nope, welcome
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • baddog
                                                                                                                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                            • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 107089
                                                                                                                                                                                            #147
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by mardigras
                                                                                                                                                                                            And if you smash my face in on my property in my sticks you are going to jail. Sorry your local jourisdiction allows people to trespass and harass

                                                                                                                                                                                            The sidewalk, or riding in the street in front of your house is not trespassing.

                                                                                                                                                                                            BTW, do you know how old this bully was that was calling the 11 year old names, and throwing water balloons at was?

                                                                                                                                                                                            He was 8.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • mardigras
                                                                                                                                                                                                Bon temps!
                                                                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 14194
                                                                                                                                                                                                #148
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                                                                                The sidewalk, or riding in the street in front of your house is not trespassing.
                                                                                                                                                                                                Can I shoot you as long as I do it from across the street?
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • WarChild
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 17263
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #149
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by mardigras
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Can I shoot you as long as I do it from across the street?
                                                                                                                                                                                                    No of course not.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    We're not talking about shooting though. We're talking about an 8 year old with water balloons. I still can't believe you're trying to justify an 11 year old responding to this "threat" with a 2 pound rock.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    With all do respect, did you get bullied a lot in your youth? If I'm not mistaken, you're gay right? Were you picked on about your sexuality? You're far too personally involved and you're clinging to an emotional argument with far too much gusto.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • basschick
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 2540
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #150
                                                                                                                                                                                                        ya gotta wonder about a parent who calls the cops because her kid was hit with a rock. he needed stitches, not emergency brain surgery.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        also - and this is only my opinion - this is what happens when cops follow the letter of the law rather than the spirit behind it. let's face it - those assault laws weren't written with little kids with rocks and water balloons in mind.
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