how man yof you folks have actually hit rock bottom?

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  • Kevsh
    Confirmed User
    • Dec 2004
    • 8619
    #51
    Been there, done that.
    How does the saying go? When doors close often new ones open.
    Now I couldn't be happier (and better off!), though I wish I didn't have to hit the bottom to figure it all out!!

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      • FunkMachine
        Confirmed User
        • Jul 2004
        • 125
        #52
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          • S P A N N O W
            Everywhere You Wanna Be!
            • Mar 2004
            • 11941
            #53
            Originally posted by MikeHawk
            Religion is for those who dont want to go to hell.......

            Spirituality is for those who have been to hell and dont ever want to go back...
            Wise words Mike - thx!!!





            ...And I have been there before (rock bottom).

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              • crockett
                in a van by the river
                • May 2003
                • 76818
                #54
                Originally posted by brizzad
                i'd still eat that stuff even if i was a millionaire
                try eating it for a month stright then see if you would still eat it.
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                  • KRL
                    Entrepreneur
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 31429
                    #55
                    Its pretty rare to be an entrepreneur and not hit rock bottom a couple times in the process. I've been there and everyone I know who is successful now has had at least one time where they hit bottom and had to bounce back.

                    Best thing is to just stay composed. Don't panic. Come up with a game plan to get back on your feet. Borrow from family and friends to get by. And work harder than ever.
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                      • 2257-Ben
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                        • Jun 2005
                        • 633
                        #56
                        Been there, got the T-Shirt...
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                          • SlickCash Brock
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                            • Apr 2004
                            • 935
                            #57
                            Well I had messed myself up bad enough, booze and drugs etc., that i came home to an eviction notice, $3500 behind rent. My Job was going to shit, they took the company car away form me that i was basically living in.....My loft that i was getting kicked out of was looking like a crack house more than the luxury place it was. I was broke almost homeless and feeling completely insane. I ended up in a substance abuse treatment center, found a program for living, and like MikeHawk said. Spirituality delivered me from hell and i don't want to go back.

                            Spirituality also taught me that the "Road to Hell" is not neccessarily the wrong road to be on. We just need to choose the right direction.
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                              • Jayde
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                                • Nov 2003
                                • 108
                                #58
                                Before reading all the posts here I would have said I had hit rock bottom in my life at least once but now I can't say that after reading some of the stories here. I can say I have been down and out to where I do hate peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.
                                Kudos to you guys who have turned it all around.
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                                  • Raven
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jul 2001
                                    • 6874
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by MikeHawk
                                    could tell you exactly the "texture" of what the bottom feels like....
                                    been there dont want to go back...........


                                    Difference of religion and spirituality....

                                    Religion is for those who dont want to go to hell.......

                                    Spirituality is for those who have been to hell and dont ever want to go back...

                                    Consider myself a Spiritual person for sure!


                                    Good post JMan!
                                    Amen.

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                                      • Peaches
                                        Old broad
                                        • Oct 2002
                                        • 13933
                                        #60
                                        When my ex-husband left I had zero $$$. I was buying the cheap mac and cheese and using water or butter because I had a baby and I needed to save money for milk for him. I'd have weekend garage sales until I ran out of stuff to sell. I had never known anyone on welfare so I didn't even know it was available. Lasted just a couple of months until I found work, but it was a tough couple of months.

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                                          • basschick
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Jan 2001
                                            • 2540
                                            #61
                                            if you can still borrow money, you're not at rock bottom. rock bottom means that - for whatever reason - you don't have the resources to get money, no matter what, and you don't have shelter. that would be the start of rock bottom. sleeping under bushes and in strangers cars, having no food.

                                            i realize rock bottom is a personal thing, but if you have food, a home, and a source for help - whether you are too proud to take that help or not - you still have resources.

                                            Originally posted by KRL
                                            Best thing is to just stay composed. Don't panic. Come up with a game plan to get back on your feet. Borrow from family and friends to get by. And work harder than ever.
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                                              • Verbal
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Dec 2001
                                                • 3420
                                                #62
                                                Rock-bottom is relative and the strongest people I know in my life have all been there. I heard a lot of you talking about financial and drug problems, but most of us have never experienced the depravity of war. My mother, uncle and grandmother we're Dutch citizens living in Indonesia during WWII. They spent 3 years in a Japanese detention camp. I've heard some stories that can be described as inhumane at best.

                                                That being said ... although I have had some really, REALLY tough times in my life, I've have always realized that there are people that have it worse than I do. For me, this has been motivation to not let my situation(s) get to me and help me keep going.



                                                (great thread)
                                                Last edited by Verbal; 08-03-2005, 01:30 PM.

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                                                  • Tala
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                                                    • Dec 2002
                                                    • 23368
                                                    #63
                                                    Been there, and very recently. Working my way back up now.

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                                                      • bigdog
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                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                        • 6964
                                                        #64
                                                        damn a lot of you guys been through some stuff

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                                                          • rickholio
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                                                            • Jan 2004
                                                            • 1914
                                                            #65
                                                            Yep. Been there. Homeless for a couple months, then ended up in a rathole on Hastings in vancouver, watching the smack parade walk by every day.

                                                            Went from around 220lbs to around 160lbs (I'm 6'2" and broad shouldered, ribs and bones were sticking out all over at 160) in 3 or 4 months. Didn't have money to buy anything more than a bowl of raisin bran daily, and occasionally a box of macaroni + cheese. If things were truly rolling, I could also get a package of low grade hamburger meat.

                                                            If you ever come across a skinny homeless person who smells like apple cider, chances are good that he's NOT a drinker. When your body consumes muscle tissue as fuel, it creates 'ketones'. These ketones leave a very distinct cider-ish smell on the breath.

                                                            Those of you on Atkins diet probably recognize that, as ketosis is the state your body has to be in to produce ketones. That's probably why I've always scoffed at Atkins... why people would want to deliberately put their bodies into the 'emergency mode' I had suffered while literally starving is beyond me. It sure as hell can't be healthy. I still have issues related to my relatively short term (but severe) malnutrion to this day.
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                                                              • Rui
                                                                web
                                                                • Dec 2001
                                                                • 9533
                                                                #66
                                                                I haven't been homeless, without food or anything like that but on a "spiritual" note, things were pretty bad some years ago....and I really mean PRETTY PRETTY BAD...

                                                                This thread is good to show how much some now sucessfull people been tru and that trust me works as guidance to many current "lost souls"

                                                                btw none in my post is about religion...

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                                                                  • toddler
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Jun 2002
                                                                    • 1911
                                                                    #67
                                                                    ramen isn't hunger. not eating for over a week is hunger. living in your POS car in the middle of winter in nebraska, with no gas so no heat is tough. Trying to get a job when you have no place to shower, bumming smokes all the time, siphoning gas so you can turn the car on for a few minutes so you don't die...
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                                                                      • lchaim
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                                                                        • Jun 2005
                                                                        • 626
                                                                        #68
                                                                        I've been as low as I want to go. It could have been worse, but I have never had to resort to ripping off a gas station or anyone for that matter.

                                                                        :/

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                                                                          • Spunky
                                                                            I need a beer
                                                                            • Jun 2002
                                                                            • 133978
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Thank god ,it hasn't ever happened to me..it builds character though

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                                                                              • psili
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Apr 2003
                                                                                • 5526
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Read this post knowing I've never felt I hit a "rock bottom":

                                                                                In my head, hitting "rock bottom" would be suicide. Not just contemplating suicide, but acting on it. I haven't checked wikipedia or anything, but to me, rock bottom would be "no way out, no better happening, I'm just going to end it."

                                                                                I've read the posts in here about living thin, not having money, food, etc., but rock bottom -- there was some gleam of hope to keep you moving, working, acting to make things better, so how can that be the bottom? Or is the "bottom" I'm thinking of, completely off base?
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                                                                                  • Rep
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                                    • 991
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    I worked two jobs in chicago. One I got by going door to door begging for any type of work in exchange for food, it was a BBQ restaraunt and the owner needed the ceiling scrubbed with bleach that week before the health inspectors came. I worked there from morning until noon then I walked 2 miles to a grocery store and worked the deli counter slicing meat. I got the job specifically because it let me work around a source of protein, the meat, so I could survive. Every day I'd steal things out of the trash and bring them home to eat, munching on them during my walk back. This was during janurary-february so there was a good foot or more of snow at times.

                                                                                    Later I took on a third job (for free) working for a hosting company online learning the ropes - and the rest is history. For a period of time though I'd be working 22 hours a day eating out of the trash so yeah - I guess that counts as bottom.
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                                                                                      • Barefootsies
                                                                                        Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                        • Feb 2005
                                                                                        • 42635
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Rock bottom can be a number of things, and I am specifically addressing people talking about the 'rock bottom' being homeless, suicidal, and the rest.

                                                                                        Rock bottom and suffering, not knowing where your next meals coming from, addiction, and any number of things is subjective. In reading the thread, and people's experiences, I'd say all of these qualify for the most part.

                                                                                        If you are having to sacrifice, and we are not talking about a day without smokes here, but truely sacrifice to make it whether paying bills, eating, evicted, drugs or alcholo dependance, and having to go through some serious emotional, financial, physical sacrifices, that truely endanger your welbeing, standard of living, and the rest.. all of that can be considered some degree of rock bottom.

                                                                                        That being said, back to the spiritual reference. Definately a good revelation. I can honestly say for myself, going through that time in my life, it helped. I am not religous, and for a long time ignorned all the 'faith' stuff. But thank God I was raised with it all, because when my life back then was completely out of control.. it was foot prints in the sand baby! One of the few things I could count on to get me through it all.

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                                                                                          • Peaches
                                                                                            Old broad
                                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                                            • 13933
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                            That being said, back to the spiritual reference. Definately a good revelation. I can honestly say for myself, going through that time in my life, it helped. I am not religous, and for a long time ignorned all the 'faith' stuff. But thank God I was raised with it all, because when my life back then was completely out of control.. it was foot prints in the sand baby! One of the few things I could count on to get me through it all.

                                                                                            I agree 100%

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                                                                                              • basschick
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Jan 2001
                                                                                                • 2540
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                i don't think it would occur to myself to kill myself unless i were in agony and had no other out but death. and even then, if the pain came and went, i'd probably stick around.

                                                                                                i guess it all depends on your personal definition of rock bottom. i mean, i suppose it could ALWAYS be worse - you could have no legs or lose your eyes. but for me, for the purpose of discussion, being without shelter, food, money, or any kind of help will do - not just for what i did without, but for the feeling of complete hopelessness that went with it.

                                                                                                Originally posted by psili
                                                                                                Read this post knowing I've never felt I hit a "rock bottom":

                                                                                                In my head, hitting "rock bottom" would be suicide. Not just contemplating suicide, but acting on it. I haven't checked wikipedia or anything, but to me, rock bottom would be "no way out, no better happening, I'm just going to end it."

                                                                                                I've read the posts in here about living thin, not having money, food, etc., but rock bottom -- there was some gleam of hope to keep you moving, working, acting to make things better, so how can that be the bottom? Or is the "bottom" I'm thinking of, completely off base?
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                                                                                                  • graphicsbytia
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                                                                                                    • Sep 2003
                                                                                                    • 2618
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    My husband had a terminal illness, and when he died I found myself in a position where I couldn't pay the bills anymore.. I had no savings built up because taking care of him took all my energy and time for about 3 years prior.

                                                                                                    The day after he died, I started working my ass off, day and night, only sleeping and eating in between. I finally had time to work, and so that's all I did. My kids were wonderful, they helped with the housework and anything else I needed them to do.

                                                                                                    About 2 months later, the landlord came to the door asking for the rent for the first time ever, and I didn't have it. I didn't break down crying, but the tears just kept running down my face while I told him he would probably have to evict us. I never felt so alone in my whole life. I kept working day and night never taking even one day off.

                                                                                                    It's been about 2 1/2 years since that happened, and now all my hard work is paying off in a big way. I'll never be in that position again if I can help it.. it was awful..

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                                                                                                      • nap
                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                        • Dec 2002
                                                                                                        • 2765
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        The year prior to my daugther being born. I was failing school, I was laid off from my job and I had a child on the way. Every month I was able to come up with the money for rent but always having additional fees from my front office for being 15-20 days late or already having a letter filed with their lawyer. Coming home with my power off in the middle of winter.

                                                                                                        I went days without eating because what money I did have I gave to my girlfriend. I finally got a job working @ a car wash and working for a dot com millionaire. I was finally able to pay my bills but I was still always late. I also started eating on a somewhat regular basis.

                                                                                                        The only thing that kept helped keep me sane was the fact that I knew I couldn't do any worse (hopefully) and the book Rich Dad Poor Dad. Two years have passed and I have a job that I enjoy, my online ventures are slow but promising and my daughther and girlfriend are well taken care of.

                                                                                                        I found out a lot about myself during that period in my life. Some of the things I'm ashamed of and I will never do them again but I learned from my mistakes.

                                                                                                        Valuable lessons learned when your comfort zone is tampered with.

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                                                                                                          • rickholio
                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                            • Jan 2004
                                                                                                            • 1914
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            One thing I can say for certain, as a result of my experiences...

                                                                                                            ... nothing can stop me. No matter how bad things get, no matter how bleak the situation, how poor or miserable the scenario, I can survive it. I may not WANT to, but I'm capable. I'll come through and bounce back meaner than ever.

                                                                                                            That's a pretty empowering thing. I could definitely say that it's given me confidence to take risks in business I might not otherwise take. Judging by some of the comments here, other people who get that close to 'the line' and manage to pull themselves back out share that sense of confidence.
                                                                                                            ~

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                                                                                                              • BiggleJones
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                                                                                                                • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                • 2276
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Yea man...now I dont know if I'd call it rock bottom, but I defintely didnt have enough money to eat at times. That shit fuckin sucked more than anything else I can imagine. But I really value that time in my life, because it makes me really appreciate everything that I have now.

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                                                                                                                  • tristan_D
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                                                                                                                    • Jul 2005
                                                                                                                    • 7865
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    I have not been in that situation, hope never, but I can still remember the time when I was totally broke I borrowed money from everyone I know. I was buried in great debt. Looking back I can never imagine how I managed to survive.
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