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AVN is sucking on webmasters for every penny... time for Lensman to stept up with WA

08-01-2005, 08:27 AM

Nice cut they are making on thoses hotel rooms down there ...

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Venezia Bella Suite-2 queen beds
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Venezia Bella Suite View-2 queen beds
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Total: $4,996.00

Venezia Concierge Bella Suite-2 queen beds
Total: $4,996.00

Venezia Concierge Palazzo Suite-1 king bed
Total: $5,276.00

In addition, they are already making a whole lot of money from booths and they'll probably charge an insane price for webmasters to get in. I say it's the time they get a fucking kick in the butt.

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I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?
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08-01-2005, 08:28 AM

That's insane.. I'll just stay in another hotel I think

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08-01-2005, 08:29 AM

Those aren't the prices if you register through Rosetours. They don't make anything off the prices you're listing because that's registering directly through the hotel - they make it off the lower Rosetours prices ;)
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08-01-2005, 08:37 AM

It's only a matter of time before the industry steps up to the plate and says FU AVN for your ridiculous price gauging.

Is a ticket going to be $400 USD?
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08-01-2005, 08:41 AM

Like I said in another thread.. AVN is pricing it's self right out of the pocket books for the average affiliates. They seem to only want to cater to the program owners.. Well who do the program owners want to cater too? Other programs or affiliates?

Affiliate programs should ask themselves this question. Do you send your staff to Internext to talk to other affiliate programs or do you send them to try and pull in new affiliates?

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08-01-2005, 08:42 AM

It's unbelievable the amount of money programs and webmasters invest in these things. If I went it wouldn't be to the show floor, I'd just hang out where everyone is afterwards and do biz that way.

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08-01-2005, 08:43 AM

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08-01-2005, 08:46 AM

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holy fuck

No shit. I know webmaster traffic is valuable but a show every 3 weeks and extreme prices is just retarded. There is no way everyone is getting enough bang for their buck.

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08-01-2005, 08:47 AM

thats a shitload of cash
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08-01-2005, 08:48 AM

Lens should throw a show to directly compete with AVN. But he supports AVN, does not make sense to me. What has AVN done for this biz?

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08-01-2005, 08:51 AM

I say that Ron Cadwell and CCBill should put on more events too. The Phoenix Forum is my favorite show by far! Those CCBill folks know how to put on an event and they are certainly not in it for the $$.

Oh and Peaches is correct, do not book using the code for AVN - prices are a lot cheaper if you book through Rosetours, who in the fuck cares if you are on the same block? Chances are you wouldn't be anyway....from all my experiences we've all be scattered throughout the hotels!

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08-01-2005, 08:51 AM

That's just too much...

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08-01-2005, 08:56 AM

is the next vegas show going to be at the venetian again? is that set already?
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08-01-2005, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by BradShaw

Lens should throw a show to directly compete with AVN. But he supports AVN, does not make sense to me. What has AVN done for this biz?

I agree with you brad-
time to show AVN we are taking back this biz-

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08-01-2005, 09:07 AM

What are you guys trying to kill me!?

We do four different conferences a year. Looking forward to seeing everyone in Amsterdam and LA is coming together and will be announced shortly also. Huge announcement to go along with LA this year too. Details coming stay tuned!

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08-01-2005, 09:10 AM

posting this again from last year.

AVN is overly confident that they hold this market..so there's no reason to make changes. AVN knows you'll follow whatever they decide...and they're right...everyone has.

What I simply don't understand is why someone like Lensman, Epoch, CCbill, (hint hint) doesn't see the massive opportunity for a new show in Vegas to replace internext...and simply take over the Vegas show.

Put the new show a week or two after CES and everyone will register to this new show instead of internext. Do it right for a change. Easier said then done obviously, but certainly NOT at all impossible when you gather a few of the bigger players and pull together all their marketing power and resources.

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08-01-2005, 09:11 AM

Venezia Concierge Palazzo Suite-1 king bed
Total: $5,276.00

20% less than the most expensive hotel in the world. I would rather have sponsor give the money to a charity or feed a couple of unlucky families and have a drink in an average bar instead.

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08-01-2005, 09:11 AM

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What are you guys trying to kill me!?

We do four different conferences a year.

it's just one more!

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08-01-2005, 09:12 AM

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08-01-2005, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by onlymovies

posting this again from last year.

AVN is overly confident that they hold this market..so there's no reason to make changes. AVN knows you'll follow whatever they decide...and they're right...everyone has.

What I simply don't understand is why someone like Lensman, Epoch, CCbill, (hint hint) doesn't see the massive opportunity for a new show in Vegas to replace internext...and simply take over the Vegas show.

Put the new show a week or two after CES and everyone will register to this new show instead of internext. Do it right for a change. Easier said then done obviously, but certainly NOT at all impossible when you gather a few of the bigger players and pull together all their marketing power and resources.

very true
especially epoch and ccbill got enough power to do that
think about the phoenix forum
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08-01-2005, 09:14 AM

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08-01-2005, 09:18 AM

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08-01-2005, 09:18 AM

Isn't Internext and the AVN show the same thing next Jan in Vegas? That would mean they need a way bigger room block on those dates than normally, thus the Venetian is a lot more full than usually, thus it is more expensive when booking through them. Why do you guys not wait until it is OFFICIALLY announced when and where it is EXACTLY and prices from AVN are shown?!

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08-01-2005, 09:30 AM

That is insane.. pretty much pisses me off

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08-01-2005, 09:32 AM

what, you mean AVN isn't a not-for-profit charity? damn and I had Aly down as a flamboyant Mother Theresa
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08-01-2005, 09:32 AM

I am throwing my hat in the ring-

I am calling all web companies to join me in Vegas- two or three weeks after the AVN show is over-

I am looking to hear you people-

All I need is the support of the following people to do this-

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I also want to hear from everyone who wants to attend the sickest PLAYERS BALL IN THE HISTORY OF PLAYERS BALL'S

I want your help, I can 't do this alone- If you are serious about REALLY wanting another show to go opposite AVN-

I know for one, that D$ and I would love to head it up.

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08-01-2005, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by Eric_aka_RedEyes

What are you guys trying to kill me!?

We do four different conferences a year. Looking forward to seeing everyone in Amsterdam and LA is coming together and will be announced shortly also. Huge announcement to go along with LA this year too. Details coming stay tuned!

Webmaster access are good small gatherings ... but from what I understand ... the size isn't close to Internext right ? that's what I meant by that

Do another show in vegas ... at the same time as internext ... and MASSIVELY advertise it everywhere a long time before to make sure everybody knows ;)

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Originally posted by rayadp05

I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?
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08-01-2005, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by Doctor Dre

Webmaster access are good small gatherings ... but from what I understand ... the size isn't close to Internext right ? that's what I meant by that

Do another show in vegas ... at the same time as internext ... and MASSIVELY advertise it everywhere a long time before to make sure everybody knows ;)

You just hit on the boldest point of the thread.

That Vegas slot is tough to fill from a capital and resource point of view. You also have to get people to drop going to the show (don't believe all the post you read).

The latter is the toughest part. It is also the most ironic.

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08-01-2005, 09:49 AM

When is the Player's Ball, KB? I'm assuming by your post that it's a few weeks AFTER Internext/AVN?
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08-01-2005, 09:50 AM

Call Jeannie at Rose Tours - 215-533-5700. Regular suites are $279 a night. They also negotiated prices with neighboring hotels.

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08-01-2005, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by Peaches

When is the Player's Ball, KB? I'm assuming by your post that it's a few weeks AFTER Internext/AVN?

We can make it anytime in January-
Working out the dates now- but looks like we have secured the artist this time well in advance-

D$ will be making a MAJOR announcement soon.
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08-01-2005, 09:52 AM

Insane prices damn.

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08-01-2005, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by Dalai lama

Insane prices damn.

$279 a night for that room is NOT bad. I know when I was looking over Mother's Day weekend the same room was going for about $450.
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08-01-2005, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by kBizzle

We can make it anytime in January-
Working out the dates now- but looks like we have secured the artist this time well in advance-

D$ will be making a MAJOR announcement soon.

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08-01-2005, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by kBizzle

We can make it anytime in January-
Working out the dates now- but looks like we have secured the artist this time well in advance-

D$ will be making a MAJOR announcement soon.

Hip hop or ?

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I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?
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08-01-2005, 10:05 AM

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No, we just need you to put a shirt on
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08-01-2005, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by Doctor Dre

Hip hop or ?

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08-01-2005, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by Doctor Dre

Webmaster access are good small gatherings ... but from what I understand ... the size isn't close to Internext right ? that's what I meant by that

Do another show in vegas ... at the same time as internext ... and MASSIVELY advertise it everywhere a long time before to make sure everybody knows ;)

The point of our conferences are that they remain small and more regional. They are meant to be what they are. We are not trying to put together a show that have thousands of people and a huge show floor.

We have been doing the GFY warm up parties for going on 5 years now. They have always been the exact same way. Meant as a place for people to get together in a smaller environment and be able to network without all the glitz and glam. We don't have DJ's or band or loud music at out parties for that exact reason.

Our focus is the same for our conferences. We aim for smaller and more networking based shows that keep you informed on the standard issues of the industry with some great partying to go along with it.

This is the same reason why I think Phoenix forum has been so successful over the years and is still one of my favorite shows.

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08-01-2005, 10:20 AM

KB has a good idea.. What sucks is all the companies & webmasters are still going to attend AVN, nothing will change that. AVN is in it for the money, two shows back to back, more booth space, more ad slots, more money for everyone to spend.

If you really want to put a gathering on after AVN then it needs to be blasted out, advertised, etc.. All within the next 2 weeks.. Otherwise people are going to start buying rooms for AVN.

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08-01-2005, 10:23 AM

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$279 a night for that room is NOT bad. I know when I was looking over Mother's Day weekend the same room was going for about $450.

I am bad at math but I see it as $719 a night.

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08-01-2005, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by Eric_aka_RedEyes

The point of our conferences are that they remain small and more regional. They are meant to be what they are. We are not trying to put together a show that have thousands of people and a huge show floor.

We have been doing the GFY warm up parties for going on 5 years now. They have always been the exact same way. Meant as a place for people to get together in a smaller environment and be able to network without all the glitz and glam. We don't have DJ's or band or loud music at out parties for that exact reason.

Our focus is the same for our conferences. We aim for smaller and more networking based shows that keep you informed on the standard issues of the industry with some great partying to go along with it.

This is the same reason why I think Phoenix forum has been so successful over the years and is still one of my favorite shows.

Agreed . Montreal was awesome for networking ... BUT there is a need for somebody to take over AVN's business ... and I don't see many people that could throw that off.

Originally posted by rayadp05

I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?
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08-01-2005, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by Expo_Vids

I am bad at math but I see it as $719 a night.

As I said before, those high rates are the Venetian's direct rates - NOT the rates through AVN/Rosetours. $279 is the rate on an email I received today from Rosetours about the show
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08-01-2005, 10:28 AM

Depends on what avn provides, I've always liked them.. Maybe some price options for lower income affiliates are needed; but thats never stopped them from coming.

That said more shows give me more options so woot!

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08-01-2005, 10:32 AM

The main problem as far as hotel pricing is the CES show being held at the same time. Finding a cheap hotel outside the rates AVN has is going to be tricky at best. I know crappy rooms the Luxor were going for over $300 a night last year on the one night Internext and CES intertwined.
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08-01-2005, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by TheDoc

What sucks is all the companies & webmasters are still going to attend AVN, nothing will change that.

I find that very hard to believe.
But as of now, yes..nothing can change that as the show is to close for change.

But, if Lensman, Epoch and CCbill got together, posted a thread that said, " We're doing it our way...2 weeks after CES..new internext show now called, 'insert name' " people would signup to that in a heartbeart and not attend avn internext. There would be no reason to. The only people that would still attend avn internext are the tourists.

Those three companies alone with all their marketing power combined, can take this show away all to easy. They can own the biggest adult internet show of the year. And that alone is some serious serious advertising/branding power.

Granted they would have to post and make the annoucement in the middle of the year to let everyone know at least 6 months in advanced.

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08-01-2005, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by Peaches

The main problem as far as hotel pricing is the CES show being held at the same time. Finding a cheap hotel outside the rates AVN has is going to be tricky at best. I know crappy rooms the Luxor were going for over $300 a night last year on the one night Internext and CES intertwined.

Damn, you're right. I just checked Harrahs and its $300 every night that week. When I stayed there in 2004 I paid like $70 a night.

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08-01-2005, 11:27 AM

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Venezia Concierge Palazzo Suite-1 king bed
Total: $5,276.00

20% less than the most expensive hotel in the world. I would rather have sponsor give the money to a charity or feed a couple of unlucky families and have a drink in an average bar instead.

boycott Venetian

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08-01-2005, 11:30 AM

I got the same email this morning for Venetian and the neighboring hotel and can confirm the dates are the 5th through the 7th for Internext and 5th through the 8th for AVN. The rooms (normal king suite at Venetian) is still $279 for all nights (used to be a little cheaper the days before the video show started.)

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08-01-2005, 11:49 AM

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08-01-2005, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by kBizzle

I am throwing my hat in the ring-

I am calling all web companies to join me in Vegas- two or three weeks after the AVN show is over-

I am looking to hear you people-

All I need is the support of the following people to do this-

Alec Helmy- XBIZ
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I want your help, I can 't do this alone- If you are serious about REALLY wanting another show to go opposite AVN-

I know for one, that D$ and I would love to head it up.

I am TRULY SERIOUS- email me at [email protected] if you will support me.

Yes that sounds good to me. At least a much and much better date then the one after New Years day Not waiting 30 minutes for a cab. Not sitting in a cab for 45 minutes instead of the normal 10 minutes ride. Not paying 10 times more for your hotel room then the normal price. And being able to get a room without making a reservation. Ahh that would be great !

I also want to hear from everyone who wants to attend the sickest PLAYERS BALL IN THE HISTORY OF PLAYERS BALL'S

Uhh well this part doesn't sound goog at all to me. You already gave me one before: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...&highlight=vip

The other thing I really would like to see changed and why I'm not going to Vegas anymore is that I have to stay in a fucking line for hours. Even if you think you have the best passes you can ever get. I prefer to pay my own drinks and stay with some cool people than to stay in those fucking lines with 3 million newbies

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