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That's what I get from it yeh... mailing has always been risky, is that news?Originally posted by polish_aristocratMedia Buyer - Sell me your traffic!
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Originally posted by pradaboy
nice sig.. see you in the pin.A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!Comment
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Looks like some people are concerned over this:
?Accounting records that reflect revenue generated by sales to individuals
through an affiliate program and corresponding disbursements to participants
Defendant?s affiliate program on an individual basis, including copies
recently deposited check for each such participant paid by check;?
Now taken by itself as a sound byte like in the first post, it spins pretty scary. Most seem to be thinking that those things have to be given to someone. WRONG, lol. Read the whole thing for an actual understanding.
It indicates that defendant must keep those records. And I tell you what, if you're an affiliate program who DOESNT keep payout records for affiliates, you're *not* an affiliate program. doh!43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.
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<edit> Oh, and it also indicates that you're enjoined from failing to keep those records for affiliates who use commercial email.43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.Comment
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Originally posted by PR_Dave
I'm not a mailer, EVERYONE knows I'm not a mailer, never have been... I have never allowed mail to my program(s) and I have never mailed my expired members. No possible way you could bash my rep.
And you may not own ARS but you can't say ARS and you aren't tied in together. Hand and Hand, much like the other listed companies are tied together but not owned by the same people. GIM Corp come to mind? You may be seperate now, but the fact still remains.
PR, I'm not bashing your company.. But the fact stands, I'm not making this shit up. Everyone can read it.. The companies listed have to keep records and turn them over on request, at any time.. That is different than just "keeping" records. Some listed companies have to turn over all webmaster recods, mailers or not. If you didn't do anything wrong then you shouldn't have settled.
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Thanks for making my afternoon an enjoyable one.Originally posted by TheDoc
Your rush to the boards with misinformation is hilarious.
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Originally posted by PR_Dave
Because I send out cancel thank you emails to my members. That say
Hello,
My name is Chris; I'm the owner BustyAmateurBoobs. I was looking
over our daily cancel report and I noticed that you have decided to
leave us. I was wondering if you could help us improve our website
by telling us why you chose to cancel your membership?
Your suggestions, criticism, or advice is extremely important us.
We are always striving to improve our sites and service. It would
be greatly appreciated if you could e-mail me back any comments
that you may have. As a thank you, I would like to invite you back
as a member at a discounted rate.
Let me know, and Thanks.
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Originally posted by PR_Dave
What information is incorrect? ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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Nice try at a spin...HOWEVER you are the one who settled.Originally posted by PR_Dave
Things that make you go hmmm..for $100 Alex.For rent - ICQ 127-027-910
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And what about your webmaster terms (how do you prove they are double opt-in):Originally posted by TheDoc
Anyone promoting EvilGeniusCash who sends double opt-in e-mails advertising EvilGeniusCash websites must include the following:
PR doesn't accept any mail, easier that way.Comment
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In our specific case, since you know everything about it. What would have the better choice have been?Originally posted by eroswebmasterComment
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bangbros will sell your mother if they could!
stay away from bangbros and pipecrew
they sold you out!A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!Comment
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remember when there was no searchOriginally posted by Soul_Rebel
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100% sure, thanks for proving my pointOriginally posted by Soul_Rebel
ANYONE HERE that has ever hosted with ST knows they will kill your account for even one complaint. Thanks for proving my point. ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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hmmm, something smells fishyOriginally posted by Soul_Rebel
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how it proves your point? As far sextracker hosting what allows and what not leave that to some newbie ;-)
"We do have webmasters that mail us but we are rather strict on this as we host at SexTracker "
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edit, point was made above..Originally posted by TheDoc100% sure, thanks for proving my point
ANYONE HERE that has ever hosted with ST knows they will kill your account for even one complaint. Thanks for proving my point.Comment
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This is what I find the most hilarious,
If the affiliates were sold out.....why did the affiliate companies get fined.
Where is the logic.
We protected our affiliates. Again for the 4th time I can't say what others did.
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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
Me making a post that we have webmasters that mailed us, and people really mailing us is totally different. I have had CEcash mail us on double opt in, but not EGC.. That was during the time I worked for LargeCash.
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And I guess since I get this turned towards me, for ?doing something wrong? I will turn the table back..
PR saying they never gave up info, doesn?t mean they wont or won't be forced to do so in 180 days. Per the agreement under them.
One hundred eighty (180) days after the date of entry of this Order, Defendant shall provide a written report to the FTC, sworn to under penalty of perjury, setting forth in detail the manner and form in which it has complied and is complying with this Order. This report shall include, but not be limited to:
3. A list that identifies, to the best of the Defendant?s knowledge and belief
after due inquiry, every person who is initiating, marketing, or promoting,
through commercial email messages, any goods or services of Defendant
since entry of this Order;
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Here is the KICKER....................................Originally posted by TheDoc
We don't have any webmasters that promote via commercial email.Comment
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I didn't turn this against you. I find nothing wrong with mailing and I was suprised to see you saying you never allowed affiliates to mail so I did a search since most of the time people have short memory in such issues including me.Comment
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Originally posted by PR_Dave
I understand that you are saying nobody, any longer mails you. I understand that under this BS agreement someone could just mail you to piss you off and fuck you over. It doesn't mean you didn't allow spam (or non compliant emails), it doesn't mean you didn't have to give up records of your mailers. ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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I wasn't pointing out that you turned the tablesOriginally posted by Soul_Rebel You posted something I did once say, nothing wrong with that.
And for the record, I don't care if someone mails, I really don't care if you spam or how a person runs a business. I do care that "some" of these companies may give up lists of webmasters, earnings, address info, etc.. I'm not saying PR is one of those companies.
I do think if you didn't do anything wrong, or if you did run your business legit, then you should have fought it. If you did settle it means you did some shady shit. And I can bitch about that.. I run a clean business, no bs, no spam, fraud, complaints, or other crap. Being so, that gives me the right to bitch
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We never did and Dont.. These threads are not worth responding to, Lets just sit back and watch it happen to everyone else nowOriginally posted by PR_Dave
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TheDoc.
It was fun chatting with you here on GFY. I hope the exposure added some business to your program.
Any PR affiliates that want to discuss the facts or who are worried about what the misinformed had to say can email me direct.
dave AT pimproll.com
PR is not going anywhere, this ordeal made us stronger.
While I have everyones attention we are increasing PAYOUTS!
New version of PimpRoll hits the street next week.
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Originally posted by PipecrewWe never did and Dont.. These threads are not worth responding to, Lets just sit back and watch it happen to everyone else now
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PIMPIN made easyOriginally posted by PR_DaveTheDoc.
It was fun chatting with you here on GFY. I hope the exposure added some business to your program.
Any PR affiliates that want to discuss the facts or who are worried about what the misinformed had to say can email me direct.
dave AT pimproll.com
PR is not going anywhere, this ordeal made us stronger.
While I have everyones attention we are increasing PAYOUTS!
New version of PimpRoll hits the street next week.
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Well - here's hoping none of the mentioned programs really did give a list of their affiliates (and dont plan to) since it looks like they all have a privacy section of their affiliate TOS that legally binds them. It wouldnt take much for a lawyer to have a field day if they ever did send a list to anyone with any personal info on any of their affiliates without permission first.
And most importantly, hat they let the government know about those privacy sections of their TOS since the government is required to follow those as well if that was a preexisting agreement.
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Originally posted by TheDoc
I've been trying to keep out of this, but this is a rediculous statement!
By Settling with the FTC, A company can dictate specific terms, convince the FTC to change, or lessen the impact of other terms, and get penalties reduced. Right on the every release from the FTC it clearly states that none of the settlements are admittance of any wrong doings on the companies behalf! So you pay a fine and get back to work.
Fight the FTC, and you will be tied up for a very long time. If you are smart you will get a Lawyer specializing in FTC litigation, and you will pay several hundred thusand in legal fees. In the end, at best, you will only loose a years worth of progress, and the several hundred grand in legal fees. at worst, you will loose a years worth of progress, the several hundred grand in legal fees, the maximum fine that the FTC can impose $11,000 for each and every spam complaint they have ever received on your behalf. and you will be forced into an order with much stricter guidelines on what information must be maintained, and you will definately be forced to give that information up!
so, these companies settled, they are back at work, they paid there fine, they are keeping the proper records, (which are records that every single company that isn't run out of a bedroom should keep anyways) Meanwhile, the companies that are fighting the FTC have literally no chance of winning, and when the case is over, their doors will shut,, adn every piece of information they have on every affiliate they ever had will immediately be handed over to the FTC
Doc, I think you started this thread with the right intentions, but I think you read the orders way to fast, 1 to few times, and you have lost site of what a good business descision that protects a companies affiliates really is!
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Originally posted by PR_Phil
While nothing is wrong with making a settlement the companies in question could modify the agreements, which some did. I wouldn't have agreed to some of those terms. Someone could mail you now, without you knowing and it's your ass. That is just wrong.. And some of the companies that are fighting do have a chance. Not everyone "allowed" non-compliant emails, not everyone paid the webmasters that sent non-compliant emails. And... Not everyone is fighting; some are working on better deals so they can't get fucked over in the end.
BTW, I would recommend you look at the spam law and find out how much it says the fine is for each email spam. You may start to see how they used wording against you.
I know little about legal fights; we have been fighting GST in Canada for 2 years now. The only adult company to do so while everyone else settled. It's worth the fight, the time, the energy, and the money. When things aren't right you fight.Last edited by TheDoc; 07-29-2005, 01:02 PM. ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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Just to help you guys understand how the FTC works, well how FTC lawyers work. They lied to you, which is illegal btw... No fine of $11,000 per email, it's a way to scare you into settlement under the agreement set by them. I heard what went down btw.. And they did say a ton of crap that you could have used agaisnt them.Originally posted by PR_Phil
http://www.spamlaws.com/federal/108s877.shtml
Just search for 11000, 11,000 or 000 or the word fine or $.
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TheDoc is now our official lawyer.
He got his degree here:
http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/Dumm...764558307.html
He seems to know everything.
Good job!
Also note, I have been fighting GST for 4 years.. so
. I know of 3 others still fighting as well. You can't compare the 2.
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Good, glad you guys are fighting it for 4 years now when it has been going on for about 2 years, since the law changed.. The OLD law was easy to get around seeming Internet companies didn't fall under the old law. I didn't compare the two fights, I just said I know about fighting shit for years, which you can compare.Originally posted by PR_DaveTheDoc is now our official lawyer.
He got his degree here:
http://www.dummies.com/WileyCDA/Dumm...764558307.html
He seems to know everything.
Good job!
Also note, I have been fighting GST for 4 years.. so. I know of 3 others still fighting as well. You can't compare the 2.
And I wouldn't say I was the dummy, when I'm correct. I posted the tax law, please show me where the $11,000 fine per email is. Your guy is the one that said $11k per email, which I know the FTC told you too. ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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Rather odd.. I guess you are fighting for money owed then, before the tax law change. Probably under a different reason. I'm not really sure.Originally posted by PR_Dave ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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Off topic, how much do you pay per signup?Originally posted by TheDoc
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Dave..could you contact me on icq
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Originally posted by PR_DaveTheDoc.
It was fun chatting with you here on GFY. I hope the exposure added some business to your program.
Any PR affiliates that want to discuss the facts or who are worried about what the misinformed had to say can email me direct.
dave AT pimproll.com
PR is not going anywhere, this ordeal made us stronger.
While I have everyones attention we are increasing PAYOUTS!
New version of PimpRoll hits the street next week.
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I didn't post this to get webmaster sales, jackass. I posted it to point out facts, which I did. You tried to turn the tables towards me but you can't. Fact is you sold out your mailers, even if you didn't sellout your webmasters. Of course you don't allow mail, your agreement doesn't allow you to mail anymore and you have been doing this since, what Jan of this year? 6 months ago? Of course you haven't allowed mail for 6 months.
As for my program, I don't pay per signup, I'm recurring, I don?t need to be pps. I have about 2000 webmasters, about 30% active. This program is a little more than a year old. I send a large amount of in-house sales to myself. I also own a content plugin, 3 years, running strong, and still growing, still in demand, with new plugins on the way.
I'm not a little fish as you may think.. I have been doing this business for 9 years. I have owned some of the largest sites and sold sites, programs, etc. I'm not a monster company either.. My knowledge of this business is well above yours, so please.. Don't even try, your wasting my time and energy and yours..
Back the post subject. You can say what you will, you broke the law, you had to cover your own ass by paying a fine, you got scammed into the deal by the FTC, and you sold out your mailers and now your books.. Now you come here and try to turn the attention away from you, which I won?t allow. You want to push my buttons I will keep this post going, and focus on you.
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Good luck with this Dave. On behalf of all Internet companies in Canada, good luckOriginally posted by PR_DaveAlso note, I have been fighting GST for 4 years.. so. I know of 3 others still fighting as well. You can't compare the 2.
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allright, see ya there... wanna play "who drops the soap"?Originally posted by p1mpdoggMedia Buyer - Sell me your traffic!
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never mindOriginally posted by PR_DaveTheDoc.
It was fun chatting with you here on GFY. I hope the exposure added some business to your program.
Any PR affiliates that want to discuss the facts or who are worried about what the misinformed had to say can email me direct.
dave AT pimproll.com
PR is not going anywhere, this ordeal made us stronger.
While I have everyones attention we are increasing PAYOUTS!
New version of PimpRoll hits the street next week.
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