Correct me if I'm wrong but has the british police KILLED an innocent man today?

200 bullets in the head

I haven't attacked your country.
I only pointed out some of it's leaders' hypocrisy...

and I would expect some of you to understand it and agree as grown up people and not whine about it like kids starting with arguments like "if it wasn't for my country, you're country wouldn't exist"...

Absolutely fucking right ... and if they aren't, they could become one ....

I think I've lost you

what were you trying to ask and what does it have to do with the argument?

....and by the way...my dicks not bigger than yours!

yeah, kind of like squtters

All I am saying is that you are comparing apples and oranges, mistakes heppen, but when they happen time and time again are they still mistakes?

If you were to lock your self out of your house every day of the week would that be a mistake or would you just be stupid? (or have a huge crush on the locksmith)

Whats that got to do with hindus wearing turbins? Or was that just complete bollocks you was talking?

He only loves Israel.... everything else is shit.

Obsession....

so you're saying this was a one time mistake by the british police?

well let's wait for more "mistakes" by the western world as terrorists continue to bomb... they will come

Now I lost you completely...

You asked if I hate the English people just as the Palestinians, so to respond:

I don't hate any nationality or ethnical group as a whole. I'm not racist.

And of course I don't hate the English. I actually like them a lot for the most part.

But I can almost say I hate ken livingstone. and I also don't like jack straw too much...

so far it was a one off.
I just hope the police doesn't become too carefull and hesitate to shoot a real suicide bomber because of this.

I think they did the right thing, but I don't think Isreal does the right thing in many cases when they kill people that are terrorists...
Simply because they also kill people they didn't meen to kill, there's a big difference.

But hey, I can understand how things have evolved in our country, I wouldn't want to live with this constant danger of terrorism either, and they have to be cracked down on hard. But blowing up appartment buildings to kill one man is just making the situation worse, and giving the terrorist an easy way to recruit. There is hard, and there is over the top, and I think Isreal does go over the top in many ways.

Yep you lost me. What the fuck has any of this got to do woth muslims now wearing turbins? But your not alone in hating Ken Livingston and Jack straw, most people think they are wankers. Plus they hate each other too

ok man, you win on the 'muslim turbins' argument. so be it

Ok, what Im trying to get at is Ken Livingston does not speak for the British public, he speaks for Ken Linvingston

He was on the ground, and executed. Sounds like murder to me. What would you call it?

ok.. it's just interesting to see how he will comment on this occasion.
according to HIS ideology, he should even resign from his position after such event. If he doesn't do that or at least some other move then he's just a hypocrite fuck...
that's all I'm trying to say... I'm not critisizing the London Police...

I love it how people that dont live in London are breaking balls about this. It is not them who have armed police around their stations all the time.

The guy jumped a turnstyle infront of police and got shot.

Fucking retard deserved to have bullets put in him. If he didnt realise what would happen to him if he pushed past a search point it is best he is taken out of the human gene pool.

I just hope his mother is charged for the bullets for bringing suck a retard into the world.

Oh, no loss then I guess </sarcasm>

Why should Ken Livingston retire? I think the guy has done a great job.

exactly

wow . . . and I thought you were smarter than that . . . .my bad

self defense.............. he had garlic breath!!

OK so apart from muslims now not wearing turbins I will explain once more what happened to the non turbin wearing muslim.

The special forceses followed him leaving the house of the suspects who failed to bom London the day before.

the suspect wh left the suspected terrorist house went to the underground wher other terrorists have n=murdered innocent people over the last week, The police tride to stop him entering the subway system. The suspect jumped over the big turnstyle and security check and the run into the crowed. The police then souted "Stop ot I will shoot" The suspect then started to try and get on a train where only the day before terrorists tried to murder people. The police the killed him.

Clear enough? Do you now know that 2 billion muslims dont wear turbins and 1 billion hindus do? Or do you still think that anyone with brown skin is a turbin wearing muslim?

We killed most of them as well. I still remember when Margret Thatcher had 3 of them executed in Gibralter.

The IRA are so pretty.

This shoot to kill policy stopped a car bomb going off.

reminder to baddog , dont ever hire me to occupy someone else's land.

IRA Members shot dead during the shoot to kill policy. The British dont fuck around.

A list of those shot dead by British Army and RUC, August 1982-December 1986

Name Summary Date Place
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Eamonn Bradley Taken to wasteground by
British soldiers and 25/8/82 Derry
shot in the head.
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Ron Brennan Shot by RUC in course of
post office robbery. 29/9/82 North
No shots fired at RUC. Belfast
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Gervaise McKerr Shot dead by RUC in 1 1/11/82 Lurgan
Eugene Toman planned ambush.
Sean Burns 109 shots fired at car.
Three RUC men charged with
murder of Toman and acquitted
by Judge Gibson who praised
them for bringing the three
IRA men to 'the final court
of justice'.
Subsequent RUC cover-up.
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Michael Tighe Shot by RUC in stake out 24/1 1/82 Portadown
of barn. No warning.
Companion critically
wounded.
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Seamus Grew RUC ambush. Operation 12/12/82 Armagh
Roddy Carroll carried out by RUC HQ's City
SAS-trained Special Mobile
Support Unit (E4A). Trained
for 'firepower, speed,
aggression'.Four of the
shots which hit Grew were
fired at a distance of 30-35
inches. A subsequent cover-up
was initiated by senior RUC
officers.
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Patrick Elliot Shot dead at close range 27/12/82 West
after unarmed robbery. Belfast
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Francis McColgan Shot by RUC during car 19/1/83 South
chase. Belfast
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Eugene McMonagle Lined up against wall and 3/2/83 Derry City
shot by plain clothes
soldier.
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William Millar Shot by RUC undercover 16/3/83 South
squad. Belfast
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Anthony O'Hare Shot by RUC 400 yards from 26/7/83 Lurgan
scene of alleged crime. 20
shots fired by RUC.
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Martin Malone Shot at point blank range. 30/7/83 Armagh
Sitting with friends on City
wall, verbal exchanges with
UDR patrol.UDR man charged
with murder, acquitted.
Charged with manslaughter,
acquitted.
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Thomas (Kidso) Shot by British Army during 9/8/83 West
Reilly questioning on street. Belfast
Soldier convicted and served
only two-and-a-half.years.
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Adrian Carroll Shot by UDR in disguise. 8/11/83 Armagh
(Brother of Roddy Carroll
- see above.)
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Brigid Foster 80 years old. Shot whilst 28/11/83 Tyrone
collecting pension during
RUC stake-out operation.
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Colm McGirr SAS stake-out operation. 4/12/83 Tyrone
Brian Campbell 50 shots fired by SAS.
McGirr hit at least 13 times.
SAS refused to appear at inquest.
Medical help not called for
1 1/2 hours.
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Tony Dawson Shot by RUC officer 'in a 12/12/83 Belfast
temper'.
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Mark Marron Shot by British Army whilst 30/1/84 Belfast
'joy-riding'.
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Declan Martin Undercover SAS operation. 21/2/84 Dunloy
Henry Hogan Witnesses saw Martin and
Hogan wounded and then shot
dead as they lay on the ground.
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Seamus Shot by RUC during 14/5/84 Larne
Fitzsimmons attempted robbery.
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William Price Shot by SAS using pump- 13/7/84 Arbue
action shotguns in
undercover operation.
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John Downes Shot in chest with 12/8/84 West
plastic bullet at point Belfast
blank range during peaceful
demonstration. 236 plastic
bullets fired by Army/RUC.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fred Jackson Shot by Army in crossfire 19/10/84 East
between Army and IRA in Tyrone
Army undercover operation.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Antoine MacGiolla Shot by SAS. Beaten then 2/12/84 County
Brighde shot in back as he lay on Fermanagh
the ground. Ten bullets
fired into him.
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Daniel Doherty Shot in undercover 6/12/84 Derry City
William Fleming operation by SAS whilst
riding a motor cycle in
grounds of hospital in
Derry. 60 bullets fired, no
warning.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sean McIlvenna Shot in RUC undercover 17/12/8A Moy
operation
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Paul Gerard Shot by UDR while 15/1/85 West
Kelly 'joy-riding'. UDR Belfast
continued to fire point
blank into car after it
had stopped.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gerard Logue Shot by RUC while ' 7/2/85 West
'joy-riding Belfast
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Charlie Breslin Shot dead by British Army. 23/2/85 Strabane
David Devine Fired on without warning.
Michael Devine 200 shots fired.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Martin Love Shot in head by UDR/British 8/4/85 Toome-
Army, then four more times bridge
whilst on ground.
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Francis Bradley Shot once in back of 18/2/86 Toome-
head whilst on ground bridge
in undercover SAS operation.
His killing was culmination
of campaign of harassment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Keith White Shot by RUC. First 31/3/86 Portadown
Protestant killed by
plastic bullet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sean McElwaine One of the 38 escapees 26/4/86 Rosslea
from H-Blocks in 1983.
Shot dead by SAS in
undercover operation.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
James McKernan Shot in back by British 14/9/86 Ander-
Army. sonstown
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These figures have been compiled from various sources. We would like
particularly to acknowledge the information from the Irish Information
Partnership (contained in Irish Information Agenda, 1987, 'Civilians
Shot Dead in Disputed Circumstances'). There is no complete list of
shoot-to- kill operations since the end of 1986. However two infamous
incidents should be noted:
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Eugene Kelly Eight IRA men and one 8/5/87 Loughgall
Tony Gormley civilian shot dead in
Padraig McKearney SAS/RUC undercover operation.
Gerard O'Callaghan Four who surrendered were shot.
Seamus Donnelly Two civilian carswhich drove
Jim Lynagh into the ambush were raked with
Paddy Kelly fire. In one car, Anthony Hughes
Declan Arthurs was killed and his brother, Oliver,
Anthony Hughes was seriously wounded.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Aidan McAnespie Shot by British soldier 21/2/88 Aughnacloy
whilst on his way to
football march. Army claim
accident. Aidan had long
been harassed and threatened
by Army.
-----------------------------------------------------------------

So, England doesn't believe in due process? Maybe the French were right. Heard of the Magna Carta?

We believe in not letting people blowing us up.

Have you looked up the turbin thing yet or do you want to carry on showing your ignorance? Maybe we need someone with more posts to post about turbins, as we know you love to arse lick high count posters

The IRA once shot dead two tourists in Holland believing them to be British soliders.

Seems your little army makes a few mistakes as well.

If it were anything else the government would have not issued an appology.

They should run PSAs on the TV and Radio stations over there... "Dress inappropriately for the weather around others and you may be shot. Don't do it."

Oh please, what about Israel's "target" assassinations, that kill the target and like 10 innocent people around him

He jumped a turn style infront of armed police at a time when we are having suicide bombing.

Would you jump a turn style to get onto a train infront of armed police officers? Every London station now has armed police at the entrances searching people.

What part of he showed more than enough signs that he was a suicide bomber dont you understand?

I am glad the stupid fuck is out of the human gene pool and just hope he hadnt reproduced any kids who would be equally fucking stupid.

Pierre, Pierre, Pierre, if somebody has an obsession, it is surely you my dear Pierre, who just can't stop talking about your hate for Israel and iBill...

This story is evolving so much that everything you say above may be changed by tomorrow. Armed police? I thought they were undercover. Maybe the guy was paranoid anyway and the sudden appearance of someone following him with weapons freaked him out. They said they followed him from a house.

So are you saying they should pop anyone that meets enough of the signs that they might be a suicide bomber? If so, it shouldn't be necessary once they have them on the ground. Why defend what they did when they are appologizing for it themselves?

yet, oddly enough, he wasn't

It's funny how when your "people" commit a deadly blunder like that, you come out in force and defend them.
But then again, you're the first one to criticize anything the US police forces do
I do however agree with you, that the dude who got shot was a real fucktard to run from the police like he did in a state of emergency like in London now...

Anyone that displays his actions deserves to be shot. He acted like a suicide bombber and died. His fault.

Yes I do think anyone that jumps over turnstyles with winter clothing on in front of the police when they asked him to stop deserves to get shot.

Why act like a terrorist if you arent one?

http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?...RXl5Mghahahaha
Doesn't sound like he ran hundreds of yards as some have suggested. Sounds easily like he may have freaked when he realized the person(s) he thought were following him actually were. They should have had uniformed cops close enough and ready to jump in and identify themselves when it came to making an apprehension in the middle of citizens.

You're arguments are so stupid it is insane!
It is exactly the same as if there was a situation where police men point a gun at a suspect, tell him to freeze or they will shoot, and the suspect puts his hand in his pocket to pull something out, now tell me, what will cops all over the world do in that situation?

My answer is: "They will shoot him!"
If your answer is: "They will wait to see if he pulls a gun and shoots them" then you are stupid.

What else on earth could they do? They have to shoot him!
Not following instructions from the police will get you hurt or killed, that is how it is in most countries in the world, just as simple as that

The terrorist doesnt have a high enough post count for baddog to agree with, If he had 20k+ he would have agreed with him no problem.

PS Do you know the difference between 2 billion muslims not wearing turbins and 1 billion hundus wearing turbins yet badddgog?

For him to have got to the train he would have had to have jumped the turnstyles. There are police, uniformed, infront of every station at the moment so he would have had to have pushed past them.

The man was stopped, he was on the ground, with five police officers on top of him.

Should they shoot him simply because he ran?

What if LAPD ended every police chase with an execution? It would sure make for some interesting television, but you guys would be yelling and screaming all day long.

There are exceptional circumstances in the UK. He is a retard not to have realised. There arent armed police outside most stations in London everyday of the week usually.

Nowhere have I read that is what happened.

Are you just making things up or something?
There were not 5 police officers on top of him!
The guy is wearing a heavily padded jacket in the middle of summer, he disregards the police shouting at him to stop and jusps over a ticket barrier (and these things are almost 6 feet high), continues to disregard police shouting at him to stop in what apears to be a desparate attempt to get on a train loaded with people.
When he get's on the police is right on his tail, he stumbles and police fire 5 shots at him to be sure he dies with out blowing up the train.

You must admit that even if there were as tyou say 5 officers on top of him, beliving that he is a suicide bomber, what else where they supposed to do, say "he man, if you blow up the bomb we will shoot you!"
They thought he was a SUICIDE bomber, and the guy didn't exactly do anything to convince them otherwise.

I have seen a video of about 10 American officers shooting a man armed with a knife about 50 times, I can dig it up if you want to, think it is on CJ.
This is not a matter of USA vs. the rest of the world, and I really doubt anyone would say anything if the same situation arose in America, and if it did I would still defend it

here is an eye witness telling exactly what happen, and a computer generated image.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2...330912,00.html
Notice the guy on the black jacket on the floor, that is the suspect, the guy in the light blue top is the police officer shooting him.

There are not 5 police officers on top of him, the guy litterally flung him self on the train, and the police officers would have had to make the desicion to either shoot him or dive for cover them selfs (as they did think he had a bomb).