"boyalley supports free speech" or "boyalley supports CP"?
You decide!
You decide!
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Don't EVEN go there.
I've made my views clear about CP hundreds of times on this and other boards, and have taught and provided technology to the folks at Innocent Images Division of the FBI in the past. I have also donated significant monies to the battle against CP.
I care about the fight against the abuse of children AND maintaining freedom of speech.
These two need not be mutually exclusive.
Now I strongly suggest you not even attempt to continue down that road.
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Now that DirectNic has put their 2 cents in, after this thread, I can see both sides of the issue.
If the webmaster in question won't provide the data that is requested by DirectNic, DirecNic should bounce them off their network asap, and keep records of the complaint, and the request by DirectNic for age verification of models.
My 2 cents, and frankly, the easiest way to get rid of this "Big Dick" contest.
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well in my humble opinion, this isnt a case to support. Not gonna start shit here, just giving my two cents cause i feel this only digs the grave even deeper for this industry.
This isnt a case to support, theres honest breeches of free speech to be defendedLast edited by bl4h; 12-13-2006, 09:23 AM.Comment
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dialogue?
pardon me for my superb reading comprehension skills... but the title of the thread and opening remark, is you threatening to hurt DirectNIC financially. thats not "dialogue"... thats a crusader being a crusader. furthermore, you make threats to hurt someone without hearing their side of the story or without gathering facts. thats just idiocy.
if you wanted discussion, you would have posed a question and discussed the viewpoints. i can't imagine whats going on in the deluded mind that equates threats to "discussion"Comment
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Assclown Bob Rice wants to BANG your credit card!"I am putting the bastards of this world on notice; greed and corruption will always be met with "a voice made of ink and rage."All the information above is my personal opinion.Comment
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No, and if MikeAI didn't want to do business with him that would be understandable as well. However, threatening to keep his domains when they have no legal standpoint to do so, and KNOW they don't, is something else entirely. They're not a host. They're a registrar. They can say 'provide these docs or choose another registrar.' They CAN'T say 'provide these docs or we're keeping your domains.' That's something else entirely. How would you like to see YOUR domains generating money for someone else on parked.com because you didn't want to fuck around putting together paperwork for your registrar?
Want a registrar who's going to make you submit docs or ELSE? Go with directnic. Want a registrar who's going to stfu and do their job? Go somewhere else.Comment
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Strange how the free speech warrior calls to have every single surfer complaint forwarded to the feds. That will help free speech! Lets give em some nice figures I can see it right in front of me on cnn "fbi received 9223495 reports of child abuse on internet porn sites in the first quarter of 2007". That will make the free speech cause so much easier to defend.Comment
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1) wanting to hurt someones business is not "stating an opinion". "opinion has nothing to do with the complex legal issues involved and potential ramifications for decisions either way.
you should be asking "why don't people support me and the way i am going about this"
2) "free speech" doesn't mean you are free to threaten and make remarks and comments designed to hurt someones business. you apparently (like almost any idiot here) have no idea what "free speech" is. your legal rights to speak out against a government doesn't give you the legal right to calll me a pedophile.
3) the appropriate way to go about it would have been to ask questions... to understand and to make thoughtful decisions from a point of complete understanding... not suggest you want to hurt someones business if they don't comply with your demands.
another example of your misguided behavior is the Adult Friend Finder thing where they were caught red handed stealing from affiliates... you weighed in with zero understanding of the discussion and the issues.
maybe your behavior and the way you go about this things is the reason people don't support you? i don't think it has anything to do with some wide opposition to "free speech"Last edited by Pleasurepays; 12-13-2006, 09:59 AM.Comment
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Assclown Bob Rice wants to BANG your credit card!"I am putting the bastards of this world on notice; greed and corruption will always be met with "a voice made of ink and rage."All the information above is my personal opinion.Comment
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I believe the majority of people agree with me on this particular issue actually. There are a small handful of vocal people like you, but I think the consensus is that this is not a good policy.
I have not said anything that I know or believe to be untrue about DirectNic, and as far as I've seen, they're not denying the events as reported by Slick.
I don't believe the facts are what's in dispute here. What is in question, is whether or not people agree with their policies and the ways that they've chosen to handle things.
I have every right to provide opinion on that, and if I chose to do so in the future, I'd also have every right to recommend to people that they not do business with DirectNic because of it.
What exactly in all of that do you think is cause that I should have lawyers sicked on me? I'd love to see your logic in that? The United States is not a country where calls for boycott are illegal.Comment
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Assclown Bob Rice wants to BANG your credit card!"I am putting the bastards of this world on notice; greed and corruption will always be met with "a voice made of ink and rage."All the information above is my personal opinion.Comment
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You went from
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You started of about the models privacy being invaded.... and when that didn't work out because they where only asking for a photo and birthdate you moved on to the locking the domain part. I'm agreeing with the locking the domain part sucked but at the same time I feel that is the most appropriate thing to do. No legit webmaster that follows the law should have problems providing what they requested.Comment
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simple reasoning 101.
first... you gather information from BOTH sides
second... you carefully ponder the perspectives, views, responsiblities, obligations and rights of both sides
third... you discuss it in an open, unbiased and honest way. giving careful consideration to all the issues involved and the weight of each
fourth... you reach a conclusion
fifth... you decide on a course of action
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1) some guy says something
2) ignore the other side completely
3) start making wild assumptions and threats
4) respond to those questioning you with the suggestion that they hate free speech.Last edited by Pleasurepays; 12-13-2006, 10:24 AM.Comment
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Boyalley, calls for boycotts because of misinformation or outright fabrications would certainly open someone up for all sorts of problems.
You keep yelling "free speech", but you haven't shown yet where any legal free speech has been restricted. Model privacy isn't an issue (they don't want ID's with names or other personal information on them, just a picture and a date of birth visible on what would be an ID card).I am not sure about which leg he ha
You keep yelling "they don't have the right", but their ToS has been reposted any number of times already showing where they are not obliged to provide service for anything illegal. Facing a complaint about CP and the domain holder not being able to willing to provide the needed documents...
It's all high drama, save it for a llama. The only one who should be bitching should be Slick, and after checking out his sites and listening to his operating methods, well...Comment
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What have I fabricated or what misinformation do I have?
They asked for driver's license or passports, and they locked the domain. That's my understanding of the events as they have unfolded, and I've not seen anyone from their company deny that.
As for this, all of the other information other than the picture and birthdate can be blacked out. That's something that you invented. I see them say nothing about blacking out information in the original email that they sent to him.
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read again what they asked for:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...3#post11516193
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The legal department has been requested to review your domain site for possible illegal content. We require a current state issued photo id or passport for the models represented on the followings site that clearly shows their face and their date of birth. We request that this information be submitted to our offices by 4:00pm central time, Monday, December 18, 2006, or we will be forced to close this site down and report it to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
Until this matter is cleared up, we are maintaining a legal lock on your account.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Juli Silver Green
Law Clerk
The Producers, Inc
650 Poydras Street, Suite 115
New Orleans, LA 70130
[email protected]
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Boyalley, looks like you're defending true actual freedom from the 'patriotic freedom loving conservatives' yet again. Good job.
What are your domains pleasurepays? I want to do a little snooping around, see if I can get your registrar involved. Maybe give you a little personal perspective on the situation.Comment
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Originally posted by BoyAlley;
The original request was for id that showed a clear picture and dob, therefore this could be accomplished by blacking out the other personal info.Last edited by sarettah; 12-13-2006, 10:38 AM.All cookies cleared!Comment
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I don't see anything there that says they want "redacted IDs" or "redacted passports", or "please make sure you don't send us personal information about these models, as that's not what we're requesting", or "You can remove anything other than the picture and birthdate", or anything else similar.We require a current state issued photo id or passport for the models represented on the followings site that clearly shows their face and their date of birth.
"We require a current state issued photo id or passport for the models represented on the followings site"
My take on it: They asked for IDs and Passports, and they said make sure they're legible.Comment
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i am not saying DirecNIC is right or wrong dipshit. i am saying that BoyAlley is jumping the gun. end of story. a reasonable discussion doesn't begin with threats and 1/2 the story.
Wouldn't expect you to see the differenc in your perfect "its us against them" Utopia ... where your world would be perfect if there wasn't an opposing viewpoint to yours.
Funny that you think like Hitler and mock others for supporting the infringing on your "freedoms"... when your remarks are almost always that of someone who would joyously execute every man, woman and child who dissagreed with you.Comment
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Boyalley, come on. Save the drama for your llama. They asked to see a model ID to see image and DOB. everything else can be blacked out (and would similarly be in a DMCA request, which this is very similar to).
You are trying to create drama where not exists, because all your other points have petered out.Comment
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(god knows something is wrong in the world when I am agreeing with Pleasurepays.... yow!)Comment
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Directnic has my full support for their actionsComment
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I think BoyAlley has it right... You have it wrong...
The company in question is threatening to go beyond their legal abilities and shut down Slick. So is it not right for someone else to call for a legal boycott of someones business because they employ questionable tactics? I think it is completely founded and the right thing to do.Comment
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but its not beyond their legal abilities.
CONTENT OBTAINED WITHOUT RELIABLE CONSENT.
You agree that if we determine that your use of our Services or System is in any way connected or affiliated with the display, promotion, or dissemination of content obtained without reliable consent from each participant-e.g., sexual or nude images involving children under the age of 18, bestiality, murder, rape-we may charge your account a penalty in the amount of US $1,000.00 for every domain name in violation of this section. You further agree that we may collect these penalties by any means we deem necessary, including but not limited to charging any credit card you have on file with us or auctioning your domains.
You agree that we reserve the right to immediately discontinue your use of our Services or System and seize control of your account(s) and all domain names within your account(s) immediately and without notice to you upon a determination that you have violated this section. You further agree that if you fail to pay us any penalties assessed under this section, we may auction off any and all of the domain names within your account(s) to satisfy your debt to us.
You agree that we may take all necessary steps to investigate, document, and report any findings that you have violated this section, including but not limited to disclosing your account information to any and all appropriate law enforcement agencies.
theres more just read the termsComment
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Assclown Bob Rice wants to BANG your credit card!"I am putting the bastards of this world on notice; greed and corruption will always be met with "a voice made of ink and rage."All the information above is my personal opinion.Comment
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Listen do you understand what an affiliate is? Slick is an affiliate using content from programs that hold the 2257 information for the content they provide. If affiliates have the rights to get 2257 information for any picture, then privacy for any model is out the window.
What you are suggesting would totally eliminate any promotion and money making done by the little guy. The whole industry would fall into the control of only large companies, and alot of people would be out of work.Comment
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