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I have never at any point said that any registrar, or anyone else for that matter, should "do nothing" if they spot what they reasonably believe to be CP.
The appropriate course of action is to refer the matter to the authorities.
Do we really now want to be in a position where not only can the FBI show up at our doors at any time demanding to conduct 2257 investigations, but our hosts and registrars as well?Comment
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Seems like instead of turning them directly over to the authorities, they are giving them a chance to clear things up with DirectNic first, whereas Godaddy turned WEG off immediately.
Though to be honest, Intercosmos was listed as one of the top up and coming companies in a national mag (can't remember which one). I'm pretty sure they'd do OK if your "teh boycott" went through
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No but do we want to get in a situation where hosts forward every single comlaint they recieve straight to the fbi?
If the client is legit and can show the documents needed they would save themselves and the client a whole lot of trouble by just doing a small investigation themselves first.
What should hosts do? Just let the illegal content online untill some fbi officer has time to investigate it? Just shut down the suspected site untill it was investif-gated by the authoroties? I believe doing a small investigation first is the easiest and most honest thing to do. Who says they will not accept a picture with the model holding the id and/or a model release where all personal information but the date of birth is blanked?Comment
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They're giving them the chance to turn over scores of private identification documents of models and conduct a private 2257 investigation is what they're doing.Seems like instead of turning them directly over to the authorities, they are giving them a chance to clear things up with DirectNic first.
Though to be honest, Intercosmos was listed as one of the top up and coming companies in a national mag (can't remember which one). I'm pretty sure they'd do OK if your "teh boycott" went through
Does NO ONE in this industry give a rats ass about the privacy of models? Or privacy laws? Once you become a model that's it, it's totally acceptable for your driver's license, passport, social security number, or whatever damn else catches someone's fancy to be passed out like candy, even without legal reason or foundation to do so?
I think not.
As for how big they are and what effect a boycott can have. Let me remind you that through-out history enormous impacts have been made against much larger companies than them.
I, for one, don't take a defeatist roll over "oh there's nothing that can be done" attitude about things.Comment
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Well I can't speak to that, as I wasn't around for that boycott, and I wasn't the one that led it.
It's very clear that you have some sort of personal and/or business relationship with Mike and he can do no harm in your eyes. That's fine.
I, on the other hand, do not, and am taking an objective third party view of the situation, and basing my comments on that.Comment
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Yes, actually, we do want them to forward every complaint that they reasonable believe is legitimate to the FBI.
The Innocent Images group can VERY quickly and with a great deal of accuracy, determine if a site contains CP. Between their automated systems that can scan content and compare it to known CP, and their expertise in looking at specific physical attributes of the model, if the imagery isn't actually CP, they'll know it in a hurry, and won't bother with an investigation.
I'd MUCH rather have that take place, than all sorts of private companies starting to act like 2257 records inspectors.Comment
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i'd never provide docs to anyone BUT the authorities required under the statute.Comment
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Thanks for the support BoyAlley, I greatly appreciate it
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I do want to make something clear here, and I mean this as NO insult toward you whatsoever, so please please please don't take it that way:
I'm not doing this to support you. Honestly, I can't speak for the content that's on your sites (especially since I'm not familiar with hetero content), or what you link to, or how you get your traffic, or anything else.
What I CAN speak to, and what I DO feel strongly about, is the POLICY that you've uncovered of DirectNic wanting to become 2257 records inspectors.
That is wrong, in my opinion, in any situation, no matter what the content might look like.
Again, there are people in this country whose job it is to investigate such things, and those people are not called registrars.Comment
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a little investigation does not equal a "legal lock" whatever the fuck that means.
the most directnic can do about something like this, legal that is, is
tell the customer to switch registrars because he's breaking their TOS or whatever.
They have no right to lock something they don't own, much less shutting it down.Comment
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now lets go back to the original email:
So no personal information but the date of birth is asked. Is that so bad? Who will die from that? Who's privacy will be invaded? Just ask for the document from whoever provided you with the gallery and forward it as requested. (this is assuming that its for one or 2 pictures they are reffering to and not every model on a tgp)The legal department has been requested to review your domain site for possible illegal content. We require a current state issued photo id or passport for the models represented on the followings site that clearly shows their face and their date of birth.Comment
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I think the point of this has gotten confused.
What DirectNic did that was wrong is that they locked the account and then demanded documentation in order to unlock the account.
If they had simply contacted him and said "We believe the content of your site is potentially illegal" and "we intend to turn the evidence over to the feds and will not allow you to renew the domain with us if you do not provide us with assurance that the content is legal" then nobody would be in an uproar about it.
This guy OWNS this domain name, it is his property, directnic is acting as though it is their property and he is just being permitted to use it.
He has every right to transfer the domain name to another registrar and has no obligation to provide any documentation to directnic. It *is* there right to say "we dont want to be your registrar anymore, please transfer your domains within 30 days as we are closing your account".
At that point they also have an obligation to refund him some of the money that he paid them to register the domain on his behalf.$50 FREE TRIALS! Every Day til 2008!!!
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Ok, so now not only are people required to keep 2257 documents with unredacted IDs for FBI inspections, but they have to edit potentially hundreds or thousands of documents to black out all of the personal information in case of a "Registrar 2257 Inspection"?
Ridiculous. This entire situation is absurd.Comment
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The funny part about this is that if you swapped DirectNic with GoDaddy, this board would be ready to burn down the GoDaddy headquarters. But because the owner of this company has probably bought a few drinks in his life for people here, they get a free pass.Comment
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What has that to do with it? If you don't provide the docs they will forward it to the fbi (like everyone seems to find is what they needed to do in the first place). How are you going to proof to the FBI that the pictures weren't taken when the model was -18 at the time the pictures were taken?Comment
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Assclown Bob Rice wants to BANG your credit card!"I am putting the bastards of this world on notice; greed and corruption will always be met with "a voice made of ink and rage."All the information above is my personal opinion.Comment
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So, I guess Slick would be better off if DN had just shut down the sites when they received (as I believe you will find they did) a complaint. Their TOS allows them to (as does almost all registrars). That way Slick would be out of pocket on lost income while it is sorted out.
Instead Directnic is trying to ascertain the validity of a complaint before it takes negative action.
From Moniker:
29. AGREEMENT TO BE BOUND
......You acknowledge and agree that Registrar may terminate or block Your use of all or part of the Service without prior notice for any reason...
From GoDaddy:
Go Daddy reserves the right to terminate Services if Your usage of the Services results in, or is the subject of, legal action or threatened legal action, against Go Daddy or any of its affiliates or partners, without consideration for whether such legal action or threatened legal action is eventually determined to be with or without merit.All cookies cleared!Comment
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for all any of you fucking morons know... some girls mom contacted them saying "hey, those are pics of my girl when she was 12", confirmed her identity as well as that of her daughters... they reviewed it and were shocked as hell at what they saw and gave the guy a chance before bringing the full force of the law down on him.
did any of you geniuses consider the fact that they have in-house attorneys making these decisions and it was most likely something done after careful review and consideration of the facts AND the law? do you think it was a decision made on a whim? you think it was "just because"?
anyone has a link? seen the pics in question? know any details?
oh... hahaha.. no.....didn't think so. .... why would a bunch of retards who spend their days arguing about Jews, Arabs and Bush and create such great threads like "what are you listening to right now" and "who was the best guitarist ever" and "whats the best way to sell my sig" need facts and information or the whole story? facts tend to get in the way of drama and sig views.
so yeah, some fucking turd poking clown, turned do-gooder/attention whore wants to boycott them, with no details, no real information, no understanding of the situation... just his interpretation of what might be happening based on a very limited amount of information where he starts assuming and then starts acting on assumptions and hasn't even heard an explanation from the people he is trying to hurt financially.
what a fucking idiot. proof once again that this biz is doomed because of the idiots that are in it... not because of "obscenity"Comment
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Error. From most court rulings, domain names are just about on the same levels as phone numbers. You never "own" then in an outright sense, you are just paying a yearly fee for the right to use them as your contact point. ICANN "owns" the .com domains... the rest is pure fiction.
The only thing he owns is the current rights the domains, subject to the terms of the contract he entered into to get them.Comment
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Amusing thread in a tragic way. All the uninformed idiots jumping in with their anti-Directnic rhetoric would be the same uninformed idiots shouting at Directnic for allowing reported CP on a domain if they took no action (and of course the CP actually existed. Like 99.9% of the posters in this thread I DO NOT know the full details so can't comment on this particular case).
As they say opinions are like assholes - everyone has them. Sadly far too many love to make fools of themselves by offering them with no true grasp of the details of a situation.
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Please, turn off the yellow text and take a deep breath. They asked to see an ID with picture and birthdate. No model information beyond that. This is similar to documents that many content companies have been trying to pass off as model IDs for companies doing their own 2257.
You honestly think it would be better to bring in the FBI rather than that to find a resolution that doesn't involve the feds breaking down doors and locking people up (because that would be what would happen, I can assure you... they would love nothing better than a reason to "take down" a porn webmaster in a very public way).
Again, until there is more known about the complaint or the issue at hand, this is all pretty much fanning of the flames. A deep breath and a cig break (for those who smoke) is certainly in order here.Comment
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i keep 2257 info on file for several large affiliate programs as both a primary and secondary producer and have worked with my brother for many years in the content production field. as such i have taken the time to be somewhat informed on the laws in this area.
it is our DUTY as responsable webmasters to protect the privacy of the models. it has a great financial impact on everyone concerned to allow personal information to leak into the wrong hands.
Peaches, it seems as tho you think that BA "jumped the gun" on this but i dont believe thats the case. the fact that directnic believes they have the right to request such information is a big problem.
how many webmasters have they contacted for 2257 who did not come to this board but rather turned over personal information about a model. even if the information on 1 model was turned over to some employee of directnic in my opinion its 1 too many.Comment
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No, but what you are suggesting is that nobody should prove model ages or rights to anyone except the FBI (actually, the AG or his appointed reps).
Touches the issue of DMCA... if they were hit and a DMCA complaint, how would you prove rights to the image? Maybe, I dunno... a contract and a model release? Perhaps a contract and the model ID with just the image and the birth date showing?
You are off on a hell of a merry rampage here, but I think you need to slow down and think about how something like this would be handled in general.
I would rather the registrar or the host asks questions rather than just picking up the red phone and calling the feds. It would be nice to think that our industry can somehow manage to control itself for once.Comment
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I checked out his network and indeed theres some iffy content.
Thanks to people like you we have this problem. We are fighting a beast that we will never win against. If it wasnt for this shit we wouldnt have to defend our right to free speech on a daily basis.Comment
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Assclown Bob Rice wants to BANG your credit card!"I am putting the bastards of this world on notice; greed and corruption will always be met with "a voice made of ink and rage."All the information above is my personal opinion.Comment
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DMCA is not a valid comparison. In a DMCA request, content is deleted from a hosting account, or a hosting provider shuts down said hosting account.
That is a far cry from seizing control of a domain name, preventing someone from posting alternative content, or moving it elsewhere.
DMCA is also a legal process established in law, with ramifications for those that inact its use falsely or without cause.
That's a far cry from an arbitrary, we're shutting down your domains and seizing control if you don't abide by our desire to conduct a 2257 inspection of you.
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