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07-21-2005, 12:06 PM

Not sure if you guys talked about this already but the government is trying to pass Patriot Act II. Basically saying that goventment officials (police as well) can run up in your house at any time for any reason, with no probable cause. They can tap for your phone and monitor your day to day life, with no probable cause. Today they are discussing putting an expiration date on the bill instead of making it permanent.

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As time passes we will have less and less privacy.
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07-21-2005, 12:07 PM

The EFF has the solution http://tor.eff.org/
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07-21-2005, 01:13 PM

Bush sucks
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07-21-2005, 01:14 PM

The new world order....

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07-21-2005, 01:15 PM

Yes, this has been discussed to all ends.

I like the people like 12clicks that argue FOR the patriot act

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07-21-2005, 01:18 PM

I don't have anything wrong with it, I'm not hiding anything and it will make this country a lot safer.

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07-21-2005, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by Downtime

I don't have anything wrong with it, I'm not hiding anything and it will make this country a lot safer.

This is a common statement, but of course you've never been accused of doing something illegal when you did nothing wrong, so you probably wouldn't uderstand.

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07-21-2005, 01:24 PM

"This [the U.S. Constitution] is likely to be administered for a course of years and then end in despotism... when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other."
Benjamin Franklin

"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter, and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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07-21-2005, 01:24 PM

if it makes me feel safer at home, why not?
with the latest bombings at London, no one is safe anymore
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07-21-2005, 01:27 PM

Patriot Act 2 = new Harrison Ford movie lol?

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07-21-2005, 01:39 PM

Bush does suck. It's one thing to make the country safer but you know some of these so called officers of the law will abuse the privelage.

I smell dictatorship.
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07-21-2005, 01:42 PM

are you all drug dealers?
It shouldn't effect you. Fuck privacy, if they want to listen to me have phone sex that's their shit not mine.
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07-21-2005, 01:43 PM

Honestly fuck safety if it impacts on our freedom.
Safety is just an illusion anyways, and sadly our freedom is becoming more of one itself every day.

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07-21-2005, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by Rinaldo

are you all drug dealers?
It shouldn't effect you. Fuck privacy, if they want to listen to me have phone sex that's their shit not mine.

You just do not get it.

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07-21-2005, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by After Shock Media

You just do not get it.

I agree...
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07-21-2005, 01:50 PM

They shouldnt be able to listen in whenever they wanted. What I do in the privacy of my house should stay private. I hope that shit never passes. Our "freedom" is slowly dying.

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07-21-2005, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by Skillz Unlimited

Bush does suck. It's one thing to make the country safer but you know some of these so called officers of the law will abuse the privelage.

I smell dictatorship.

Exactly. You know they will abuse it.

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07-21-2005, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by Skillz Unlimited

Bush does suck. It's one thing to make the country safer but you know some of these so called officers of the law will abuse the privelage.

I smell dictatorship.

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07-21-2005, 02:16 PM

Check section 802 of the first one, it makes us all terrorists.

For any tard claiming you have nothing to worry about if your not doing anything wrong, that doesn't pass the giggle test. Try reading some news, the abuses have been rampant.
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07-21-2005, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by davethetruth

Yes, this has been discussed to all ends.

I like the people like 12clicks that argue FOR the patriot act

Just as long as they use it to file their RICO case against him...I'm all for it too.

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07-21-2005, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by Downtime

I don't have anything wrong with it, I'm not hiding anything and it will make this country a lot safer.

I hope you're in the first group rounded up.

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07-21-2005, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by Rinaldo

are you all drug dealers?
It shouldn't effect you. Fuck privacy, if they want to listen to me have phone sex that's their shit not mine.

I hope you're in the first group too.

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07-21-2005, 02:20 PM

Some people are so fucking stupid ... they need to pickup history books .

Every country that tried to have too much control on it's people lost power ... but with the new technology, it might be another story ;)

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07-21-2005, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by eroswebmaster

I hope you're in the first group rounded up.

Seriously. They mine as well round everyone here up and call us 'terrorists who are conspiring'... and does anyone think that anyone would actually fight for us

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07-21-2005, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by eroswebmaster

I hope you're in the first group too.

Originally posted by rayadp05

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07-21-2005, 02:24 PM

In Cuba, if you put your cofee cup on the face of Fidel Castro on the morning paper, you can go to jail ...

When Stalin was in power, he killed so many of his people ... everybody was scared of everybody else . Is that what you guys want to happen ? A regime of terror ? That's where it's slowly heading ...

Just look at the "emergency" systems on cars . My father got one on his new ride, and he bitches everytime he hits it by accident... that's about the only use for canadians ... and some other people couldn't have a car without it nowdays because they are scared of their own shadows...

Do americans really think the "terror level" have ANYTHING at all to do with reality ? Why should people know ?

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07-21-2005, 02:25 PM

Most laws start out noble but end up being abused. Look at history.

The partiot act was made evil, and was just taken to the next level. Its intentions were never to protect americans, it was to monitor and police them.

I'm telling you, Americans now live in a police state. It's not a democracy.
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07-21-2005, 02:27 PM

i wish clinton was still in office.

we'd still have our freedom and make that BIG money we made in the late 90's on the internet.
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07-21-2005, 02:44 PM

Fuck privacy? Some of the people on this board are totally clueless. Fuck safety. How many people have died for the freedoms we have? Now you idiots are willing to give it away because you let the media scare you. Fucking pathetic. A handful of you would defend absolutely any action taken by this government, and that is seriously scary. Stop listening to Brittany Spears, children.
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07-21-2005, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by Rich

Fuck privacy? Some of the people on this board are totally clueless. Fuck safety. How many people have died for the freedoms we have? Now you idiots are willing to give it away because you let the media scare you. Fucking pathetic. A handful of you would defend absolutely any action taken by this government, and that is seriously scary. Stop listening to Brittany Spears, children.

Why do you think Rome was so powerful? The mindless MOB.
The USA is the modern Rome. Bottom line. And the sheepish mindless mob keeps its furnaces fueled by doing its very bidding.

Sadly the majority of the population is like this. GFY is liberal. Imagine the conservative south.
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07-21-2005, 02:50 PM

That is what I would have expected from a fascist dictator, such as Mussolini or Hitler, not from a 'free' society. (I thought it was all about evolving to something better, not regressing to the problems of the past.)

It is not about whether or not you have something to hide, it is about your supposed given rights or constitutional rights (such as privacy) ... or is that piece of paper only wiped-out when the government threatens the porn industry.

... and people are worried about someone (aside from a letter carrier) placing something in their mailbox.

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07-21-2005, 03:04 PM

Since I ranted about this elsewhere here I wont go into the full diatribe - but put simply - we do not live in a democracy - there was never any intention for the Union of States to be a democracy - it is a republic (check the wording of the pledge of allegiance since I assume most here at least went to elementry school) In a republic you are governed by the will of the leadership wheras in a democracy you are governed by the will of the people - completely different beasts.

As far as freedoms that you will give up in the new Patriot Act - if you subscribe to them then you would no longer be a patriotic American citizen in my book - you have just given away every freedom I spent 12 years in the military for - guess I wasted my time - I guess my friends wasted their lives as well.
Of course this all assumes you were a patriotic American in the first place and performed your civil duties to vote for the people that govern you - if not - again I wouldnt give you the time of day to complain about any part of this or the loss of your freedoms. My opinion of course - but then I guess I'm allowed to have one since I do vote and take part in the "political governmental process"

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07-21-2005, 03:14 PM

I don't understand people who say "its not safe anymore!" These people could've been blowing shit up any time they wanted since their births, they JUST started and only now all our safety is gone? Ya it's more dangerous cause of them doing it, but don't act like they couldn't have done it in the past.

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07-21-2005, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by Downtime

I don't have anything wrong with it, I'm not hiding anything and it will make this country a lot safer.

damn sucks to see ppl think like this..
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07-21-2005, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by Linkster

Since I ... (followed by many good points) ...

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07-21-2005, 03:24 PM

Here's a better one from the American Civil Liberties Union

Talks about it a little more
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07-21-2005, 04:00 PM

Paco not at all (how does that old civil rights statement go?) some of my best friends are ......

Actually I had the opportunity on two occasions to visit and had a heck of a great time - one of them getting totally wasted aboard a Can. destroyer in port with a bunch of friends in your Navy

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07-21-2005, 04:04 PM

so I guess Minority Report will not just be another movie.

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07-21-2005, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by Rich

Fuck privacy? Some of the people on this board are totally clueless. Fuck safety. How many people have died for the freedoms we have? Now you idiots are willing to give it away because you let the media scare you. Fucking pathetic. A handful of you would defend absolutely any action taken by this government, and that is seriously scary. Stop listening to Brittany Spears, children.

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07-21-2005, 04:42 PM

err not all cops are good not all cops are bad....
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07-21-2005, 05:47 PM

?They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.?

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07-21-2005, 07:35 PM

Yep - ole Ben was a smart one - followed closely by Thomas Paine - of course TP had a little problem after wrote his little pamphlet - it worked great in the colonies - but the British were not real fond of him when he showed up over in Great Britain

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07-22-2005, 05:42 AM

do you kids never look around at who's in these threads agreeing with you?
its the idiots, the surfers, and the kids living with mommy.

do you never open your eyes and say, "shit, if these losers agree with me, maybe I should take a second look at my position"

you never do, and thats why life will continue to suck for you.

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07-22-2005, 05:45 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks

do you kids never look around at who's in these threads agreeing with you?
its the idiots, the surfers, and the kids living with mommy.

do you never open your eyes and say, "shit, if these losers agree with me, maybe I should take a second look at my position"

you never do, and thats why life will continue to suck for you.
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07-22-2005, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks

do you never open your eyes and say, "shit, if these losers agree with me, maybe I should take a second look at my position"

I totally disagree ... or at least I did not think of you as a loser, but now I am not sure.
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07-22-2005, 06:16 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks

do you kids never look around at who's in these threads agreeing with you?
its the idiots, the surfers, and the kids living with mommy.

do you never open your eyes and say, "shit, if these losers agree with me, maybe I should take a second look at my position"

you never do, and thats why life will continue to suck for you.

so, whats your opinion on this "patriot act" (horrible propagandic name by the way) thing?
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07-22-2005, 07:48 AM

Didn't mean to post twice but it was passed yesterday.

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07-22-2005, 07:49 AM

It was passed yesterday.
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07-22-2005, 07:53 AM

Check it out
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07-22-2005, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by nico-t

so, whats your opinion on this "patriot act" (horrible propagandic name by the way) thing?

Reminds me of the Executive Order #9066 in 1942 issued by the President of the US. It ordered the round-up of 120,000 Americans of Japanese "heritage" and sent them to internment camps spread out among 8 states. About 65% of them were actual born in the US citizens. At the same time (little known fact) Canada followed suit and interred about 23,000 of their citizens. They were not charged with any crime. In Canada the men were required to work road-gangs and sugar-beet farms. In the US - pretty much not allowed to do anything.
Eventually the US citizens were allowed to leave - if - they enrolled in the US Army - 1200 of them did this. Two of the American citizens brought court cases that went to the Supreme Court - both were decided in favor of the US government. Finally in late 1944 the people were allowed to leave the camps and they were closed in 1945.
After that about 5000 of our citizens renounced their citizenship. The rest were offered no reparations until 1968 when congress tried to help them regain their houses that they owned. Finally in 1988, the still living citizens were given $20,000 each to pay them back. Canada followed suit giving each of its citizens that had been interred $21,000 (the ones that were still alive anyway)

The part that always gets left out of this story is that among those 120000 people put in the camps, there were also thousands of American citizens of European, German and italian descent that were "labelled" enemy aliens - even though they were not recent immagrants and were full American citizens - those thousands were never even apologized to and still havent been till this day.

Now lets come forward to today - yesterday the US House of Representatives passed the Patriot Act by a vote of 257-171 - and here's the kicker - they voted to keep 14 of the 16 provisions permanantly - no expiration except for the two provisions that were about privacy freedoms - those two were only extended for 10 years

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