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New legislations: no more free porn in USA and 25% taxes on all gross revenues.

07-20-2005, 07:11 PM

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If I understand well it seems that it was supposed to be announced today but have been delayed because of the annoucement of a judge. The proposed act is divided into two sections:

-Title I stipulates ?an operator of a regulated pornographic website shall verify that any user attempting to access their site is 18 years of age or older using software certified for that purpose ? prior to the display of any pornographic material, including free content that may be available prior to the purchase of a subscription or product?(emphasis added).

-Title II attempts to fund enforcement of Title I and various other activities related to children and pornography by imposing a 25 percent tax on gross website receipts. The bill also would amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to include a revenue category called ?Internet Display or Distribution of Pornography.? A ?regulated pornographic website? is defined within the draft bill as ?a person required to maintain documents verifying the age of persons engaged in sexually explicit conduct pursuant to section 2257(a) of title 18, United States Code.?

Seems it will be introduced in the Senate within the next few weeks...
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07-20-2005, 07:13 PM

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07-20-2005, 07:14 PM

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07-20-2005, 07:15 PM

Ya I heard about that last night.

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07-20-2005, 07:15 PM

So, we Canadians aren't in the aim of this ?

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07-20-2005, 07:15 PM

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07-20-2005, 07:15 PM

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Billing would be in charge of the verification ... but seems all free tour, tgp would need to be soft. Pretty major changes...
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07-20-2005, 07:18 PM

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Ya I heard about that last night.

Main thing that I don't understand is why people are talking about movie rating and shit instead of that ... this is something major.
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07-20-2005, 07:20 PM

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unbelievably stupid. it'll be a cold fucking day in hell if they think they can extort 25% from this community. looks like billers like verotel better get busy because if this passes, they'll be a major major move to euro billers.
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07-20-2005, 07:24 PM

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unbelievably stupid. it'll be a cold fucking day in hell if they think they can extort 25% from this community. looks like billers like verotel better get busy because if this passes, they'll be a major major move to euro billers.

I think it will be more than billing... Thing about it: all free sites, all hosted galleries, all free tours. etc etc I doubt that you can survive long in USA if you are soft and there's hardcore elsewhere in the world.
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07-20-2005, 07:24 PM

Well the good thing will be it gets a tax it becomes very legimate .The christian right will kill it.I would just add it on to the cost of a member like sales tax. People get pissed tell them write their congressman.
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07-20-2005, 07:26 PM

if it passes and is implemented, this 25% extortion will be known as the last straw.
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07-20-2005, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by Braincash Fred

I think it will be more than billing... Thing about it: all free sites, all hosted galleries, all free tours. etc etc I doubt that you can survive long in USA if you are soft and there's hardcore elsewhere in the world.

you may be right. it'll be time to move all operations away from USA if it is in fact so.

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07-20-2005, 07:29 PM

unless you moved to that country going offshore wont do shit
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07-20-2005, 07:30 PM

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07-20-2005, 07:31 PM

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unless you moved to that country going offshore wont do shit

tony, i think a lot of us WOULD move. i mean, 25%. that is the last fucking straw. this is nothing but extortion.
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07-20-2005, 07:32 PM

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this 25% extortion will be known as the last straw.

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07-20-2005, 07:33 PM

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unbelievably stupid. it'll be a cold fucking day in hell if they think they can extort 25% from this community. looks like billers like verotel better get busy because if this passes, they'll be a major major move to euro billers.

Waaaaaa waaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaa. It won't pass but not because you think it's extortion. Go to a casino (especially outside Vegas) and ask them how much they pay in taxes. It's the same damn thing. The sad part is, if idiot webmasters would actually try to keep kids away from their sites they couldn't use this as an excuse.

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07-20-2005, 07:34 PM

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tony, i think a lot of us WOULD move. i mean, 25%. that is the last fucking straw. this is nothing but extortion.

if you pass the 25% to the customer and tell them why you have to do this,they would finally wake the fuck up and start letting politicians know this shit has gone too far.
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07-20-2005, 07:34 PM

It wont pass.

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07-20-2005, 07:35 PM

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It wont pass.

what makes u confident it wont
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07-20-2005, 07:35 PM

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Waaaaaa waaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaa. It won't pass but not because you think it's extortion. Go to a casino (especially outside Vegas) and ask them how much they pay in taxes. It's the same damn thing. The sad part is, if idiot webmasters would actually try to keep kids away from their sites they couldn't use this as an excuse.

I think it wont pass because it makes us legimate like gambliing in casinos and the extreme right wont let that happen
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07-20-2005, 07:36 PM

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07-20-2005, 07:37 PM

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It wont pass.

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07-20-2005, 07:39 PM

i just cannot believe the idiocy of some politicians........and the bitch proposing this is a democrat, to top it all off

Lincoln, a second-term Democrat, considers the legislation important ?as a parent, not as a politician,? according to Drew Goesl, her press secretary. ?In her eyes, [the bill is] necessary to make the Internet safer for kids.?

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07-20-2005, 07:39 PM

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I think it wont pass because it makes us legimate like gambliing in casinos and the extreme right wont let that happen

That's one very good reason. You pointed out another reason about about the Christian right shooting it down for the same reason. You know the greedy government would ease up on giving the industry hell when they saw the money they raked in because of it.

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07-20-2005, 07:42 PM

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It won't pass and I'm glad I am a cartoonist. They wouldn't want to touch me.

What it basically is is a government sponsored AVS in the works. REason why it won't work on a cartoonist is because we can set up anywhere. No models and camera equipment to lug around. No 2277, no nothing. Just pen and paper and scanner.
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07-20-2005, 07:45 PM

I don't know, folks. My fear is that the gov't may view this as different than say, taxing marijuana or illegal drugs, thereby admitting the 'war on drugs is lost' and lets make money off of it. They've always differentiated between these types of things and the sex industry in the past. Corporations are already in bed with porn..........I'm afraid this situation may be different than you are pointing out, and they may feel justified in a draconian 25% tax.
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07-20-2005, 07:50 PM

Welcome to Germany and 90% loss of sales

Depends on how they implement that Age Verification, this is about to get ugly and 25% tax is the smaller problem.

This is not good, not at all.

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07-20-2005, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by Greg B

It won't pass and I'm glad I am a cartoonist. They wouldn't want to touch me.

What it basically is is a government sponsored AVS in the works. REason why it won't work on a cartoonist is because we can set up anywhere. No models and camera equipment to lug around. No 2277, no nothing. Just pen and paper and scanner.

don't be so secure. if you earn money and use a US based biller, they can tax you, even if you only do cartoons as you say. if this legislation passes and goes thru, you are in the same boat as the rest of us.
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07-20-2005, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by Braincash Fred

Billing would be in charge of the verification ... but seems all free tour, tgp would need to be soft. Pretty major changes...

If that would happen we'd make 10x the sales ... but we all know it won't ... the US will just loose more revenue because other countries will still have free content .

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07-20-2005, 07:54 PM

Last part said it would be the biller that would verify the age... then anyone billing in USA would also be screwed.
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07-20-2005, 07:54 PM

According to the draft, the bill, if passed, would take effect January 1.
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07-20-2005, 07:56 PM

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If that would happen we'd make 10x the sales ... but we all know it won't ... the US will just loose more revenue because other countries will still have free content .

I didn't said that all free sites would be out of business... apply only to USA

All USA biz is about to go elsewhere... I doubt that anyone want to die
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07-20-2005, 07:57 PM

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According to the draft, the bill, if passed, would take effect January 1.

You don't think Visa has lobbyists in DC pushing against the passage of this? If it does pass there will be a lawsuit and an injunction will be filed.
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07-20-2005, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by Braincash Fred

I didn't said that all free sites would be out of business... apply only to USA

All USA biz is about to go elsewhere... I doubt that anyone want to die

Um if your sponsos uses American processing where do you think they are goingto tkae the 25% from? THEY aren't going to eat 25% and raising memberhsip 25% is sure way to LOSE memberships. So who does that leave? Um....... affiliates.
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07-20-2005, 07:59 PM

The United States Government and the church goers fought a twenty year battle with porn - Against Penthouse and Playboy. After all of their efforts, they lost.

They still haven't gotten the message.

And even if they won - fine - no porn in the US. Isn't gonna change a thing!

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07-20-2005, 08:05 PM

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Um if your sponsos uses American processing where do you think they are goingto tkae the 25% from? THEY aren't going to eat 25% and raising memberhsip 25% is sure way to LOSE memberships. So who does that leave? Um....... affiliates.

Explain me how affiliates gonna promote sponsors without free content, free sites and hosted galleries
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07-20-2005, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by Braincash Fred

Explain me how affiliates gonna promote sponsors without free content, free sites and hosted galleries

What's that have to do with anything?
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07-20-2005, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by Bansheelinks

don't be so secure. if you earn money and use a US based biller, they can tax you, even if you only do cartoons as you say. if this legislation passes and goes thru, you are in the same boat as the rest of us.

NOPE! The primary reason why is the 1st amendment in an artist's case.

Already been argued before the courts decades before.
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07-20-2005, 08:11 PM

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What's that have to do with anything?

-Title I stipulates ?an operator of a regulated pornographic website shall verify that any user attempting to access their site is 18 years of age or older using software certified for that purpose ? prior to the display of any pornographic material, including free content that may be available prior to the purchase of a subscription or product?(emphasis added).

Means only soft ... no hardcore anymore in free sites, free tours , free hosted gals....
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07-20-2005, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by Braincash Fred

-Title I stipulates ?an operator of a regulated pornographic website shall verify that any user attempting to access their site is 18 years of age or older using software certified for that purpose ? prior to the display of any pornographic material, including free content that may be available prior to the purchase of a subscription or product?(emphasis added).

Means only soft ... no hardcore anymore in free sites, free tours , free hosted gals....

I don't use ANY content.
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07-20-2005, 08:14 PM

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The United States Government and the church goers fought a twenty year battle with porn - Against Penthouse and Playboy. After all of their efforts, they lost.

They still haven't gotten the message.

And even if they won - fine - no porn in the US. Isn't gonna change a thing!

Word. The only thing they would be able to claim is: We made them go offshore. Fucken idiots don't even know how stupid it is to do all this work only to send INTERNET porn offshore. It's the INTERNET!!!

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07-20-2005, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by RocHard

The United States Government and the church goers fought a twenty year battle with porn - Against Penthouse and Playboy. After all of their efforts, they lost.

They still haven't gotten the message.

And even if they won - fine - no porn in the US. Isn't gonna change a thing!

They never will get the message. The whole point is they are willing to harrass us with legislation or in court and still lose. The point is for them its a moral crusade because they feel we are doing what is immoral.

The point is they won't stop, and it will always cost us money to fight this shit. Ask Larry Flynt. Now here's a point for them. We won't stop either.

Ever.
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07-20-2005, 08:19 PM

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I don't use ANY content.

Good for you ... 99% of the people in this biz do.
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07-20-2005, 08:23 PM

It won?t pass certainly not in the form that it is in now. IMO the tax aspect would be great for the industry. As someone else mentioned it would legitimize the business model, and the cost would just be passed along to the end consumer. If you look at any state that has legalized gambling in the last 10 years, each of those states got addicted to that gambling revenue like a whore on crack, and now can?t live without it. It also makes obscenity prosecutions very tough if the Federal Government is you business partner. For all of these reasons the Christian Right will never let it happen.

As to the restrictions on sexually explicit content, that is coming down the pike regardless if it happens in this bill or another one. I would recommend getting use to driving sales with soft core (non-sexually explicit content) so it doesn?t come as a shock when it does happen.
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07-20-2005, 08:23 PM

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Word. The only thing they would be able to claim is: We made them go offshore. Fucken idiots don't even know how stupid it is to do all this work only to send INTERNET porn offshore. It's the INTERNET!!!

If all porn did go offshore well ther is old saying "be careful what you wish for, you may get it" WTF are the Jesus freaks going to do when not only will ther be as much porn on the internet, because it's offshore you'll see 10X as much, beasty, rape, scat, piss etc porn as you do now. Who is going to fucking stop that kind of porn then? I'll laugh my ass off when this explodes in their faces.

Jesus freaks never understand. They crusaded against alcohol until they got prohibition and all that did was build up the mafia and have tens of 1000's of peolpe die from alcohol posioning because what they were drinking often had stuff in it other than booze because being illegal alcohol didn't have to follow any regualtions for safety. Less than 15 years later they had to admit they were dumbasses.
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07-20-2005, 08:25 PM

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07-20-2005, 08:25 PM

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and the cost would just be passed along to the end consumer.

Hard enough to get people to pay for a membership NOW add 25% to that an see how much harder it is. I truely think most of the costs will be bore by affiliates in some fashion.
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07-20-2005, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by Braincash Fred

Good for you ... 99% of the people in this biz do.

I can't help that.
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