RE: .XXX and other stupid things...

woj slipped

Very simple, lot's of money to be made in .xxx domains. It will be another .com boom for porn

So you're willing to publicly voice complaint over the .XXX proposal and those who support it but you fear the wrath of these people if you ever publicly name them because it might impact your financially. Well I'd be keeping quiet then

Very easy to say from where you are standing, but no I wont just keep quiet. I am smart enough to know how to get results without having to marter myself for them.

I have attended these so called "panels" for several years I was on the first one in FL when these cocksuckers (ICMR) first started to try and sell the bastard idea. I called out Piconalli and Walters on it and I addressed the audience from the floor and asked them in no uncertain terms why they would willingly subject themselves to this

This has been a long hard sell for ICMR and I have YET to see AVN come out against it officially, and that says a lot in and of itself.

Avn is sitting on the fence on this issue...why? so is Larry Flynt....why?

We know xbiz and ASACP have a financial interest...why is AVN keeping quiet...and dont regurgitate that bullshit about staying neutral...they weren't neutral when some pornchick pissed on a dead animal but they wanna stay neutral when Jason Hendales and company want to piss all over us....ya something smells around here...big time.

go ahead Cain...acuse me of wild accusations or whatever you want but I was prolly in this biz when you were still sucking yer mommas teat so I earned a right to my opinion...you don't like turn me the fuck off otherwise deal with it.

ICANN doesn't have to enforce it, Visa and Mastercard will. All they have to do is pressure any remaining 3rd party processors (ie, CCBill) to only process for .XXX and accept affiliate traffic from .XXX domains and its done.

I find ICM to be a good company with solid businesspeople managing their operations, I'm sorry you have such a low opinion of them.

AVN interviewed ICM and in my opinion they did a very good job. ICM come across as a transparent and open organisation with a good ethical stance, they would not have passed ICANN's rigorous approval process if they were not.

I view .XXX as a positive for this industry and shall be embracing it, if you choose not to that is your business and you always have that right.

Well if that were to happen then I would suggest that VISA and Mastercard would see a benefit in .XXX and it would be your choice whether to move or not.

MikeSouth-

I can understand your fearful nature...
You should know better than anyone in this biz that its on a downhill.

Who can you thank for this?
Not the Lawmakers.
Not The honest companies.

The scammers...
The trash that has no idea why people buy adult in the first place. It is those same elements that have contributed to the downfall of the industry eating itself alive from within.

Writings on the wall and it has been there a long time and people like yourself have just sat and watched it happen. The industry is not an open source movement, the industry is not for the casual low life that has alot of little websites that pilfer the internet and abuse the systems.

Adult can be a very healthy industry a legit industry time for it to stop falling victim to trite scams and filthy practices concerning so many aspects its not even funny.

.XXX is one of the solutions in so many ways, especially the ways concerning some regulation.

Nice Try Cain

Maybe you should give this a read...

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/teamb.html

Yup spunds like a real honest businessman doesn't it?

maybe you can point out exactly what background stuart lawley or jason hendales have in adult...any kind of adult....

What they are is pretty eveident to most of us.

Alien while I agree that spammers and such are lowlifes it should be pointed out that anyone with a modicum of intelligence can see this will have no effect on spam or on availability of adult material to kids.

wanna explain how this will get my porn off of kazaa or limewire? hell if it can do all that Im all for it...but we both know thats bullshit...the difference is you have backed yourself into a corner you can't get out of....

A "choice" would be Visa & MC continuing to process for any big 3 TLD and also adding processing for .XXX. It isn't going to happen.

The only "benefit" Visa & MC sees in .XXX is that it will be another opportunity to do another big favor for the US government.

I have already discussed this.
I wont discuss this another 20 times.

There are several threads on .XXX here that I have explained my thoughts on this about.

I read your link.
If Jason was doing anything wrong they (GOV) would have taken em in or had charges on em of some sort.


"Oddly, the moving brokers, such as Randy Goldberg of National Moving Network, another Miami-based company, claim no responsibility for the actions of the companies they subcontract work out to, passing the blame on the customer and the individual companies NMN relies on. National Moving Network, the brainchild of Jason Hendeles of Toronto, Ontario was established at approximately the same time as the dissolution of America's Interstate Commerce Commission around 1995."

Means nothing.
Conspiracies...
Leave em alone. They do not prove anything.

Why would either need a background in adult?

As far as the link you posted, it only stated Mr Hendeles had been under investigation, it did not implicate him as a guilty party. You'll also note Mr Hendeles only serves as the Vice President of ICM Registry, leaving the CEO duties to Mr Duncan whose business record is impeccable.

apparently you are unfamiliar with several old truisms

1 birds of a feather flock together

2 when you lay down with dogs, don't be surprised to find out you got fleas.

Jason nor Stuart has ever done anything noteworthy...jason has, in fact taken advantage of us law in the past as that story illustrates.

I suspect had Jason been a US Citizen instead of a Canadian one....his ripping off of Americans would have gotten him indicted.

these are the guys you want to put your faith in?

ignorance is a poor excuse

I'd again like to mention no wrongdoing was proven on the part of Mr Hendeles.

I would suggest that you choose your words more carefully.

If he had done any wrong doing they would have pulled em in anyways.
Regardless of being Canadian.

apparently the concept of international law and extradition processes are as foreign to you as common sense

Ok its apparent at this point that Cains is a plant who works for/on behalf of ICMR so his motive is now apparent...as for alienq...I guess its just blind faith

You saying it does not exhist?
Or can not be done?

I deny that I have ever been employed by the ICM Registry. While I publicly support them in their application it is my personal choice to do so.

Cains, first let me ask do you have any children, i am assuming no. I would not be surprised since you are a Brit that you are somehow connected on some level with this Stuart character that owns .XXX.

It does "nada" to protect children, its up to the parent, so it really does not matter if its .com or .XXX so what is the big deal with this .XXX how will help the children it wont, period. Just a way to sell a biz and that sucks.

Not really, the proposed "registry operator" has a history of registering domains for their own sake;

http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Arc12/msg00033.html


You'll have to pass me some of that crack you are smoking if you think any good names are going to be available to the public when/if the system goes live.

Thanks Alien, cant fight the battle if nobody want to anything besides talk about it. I have taken on battles, city hall and Los Angeles county for 5 years, i know first hand what it takes to wage war, not words but firm action.

I started making the folks aware by many posts about .XXX the sad truth is the folks that started this are smart enough to know we as a group would never mobilze and take them on, they were right.

Thanks for the kind words on the Smashbucks program, in the midst of all of this the focus of growth of our company and program is already a full time job in its self.

I think you've nailed right on the head Mike

Cains

there a few things that as a southerner I know how to do...
I know how to bait a hook and I know how to set a trap

you got caught on both counts, I don't know your connection...at least not yet...but there IS a connection.

As for Alienq...he just likes to argue and hear himslef defend a position he lost a long time ago...

Tell yer buddies Stuart and jason that mike south says to GO FUCK THEMSELVES

ya I feel better now but It'll pass

Mike ...OMG...i was just thinking exactly what you just said

thats cuz you got what we in the south call common sense Mike...he exposed himself at is prolly scratching his head, sipping tea and eating crumpets and wondering how it is we saw this

kudos brudda

Hey Mike, you might be right on the money on that one....look forward to seeing you in Florida!

Check this out, i made a call to LFP ...Larry Flynts group, a friend told me to contact Michael direct under Larry and see what might happen, now i sent off an email to him:

MY EMAIL:
Michael,

I wanted to introduce myself and say hello, I want to congratulate your position executive vice president of LFP broadcasting, Internet.



I am speaking on the .XXX panel in Florida at Internext, I am firmly against the .XXX and everything it represents and does not.

I am in the Los Angeles area and very much like to extend a lunch meeting with you regarding this very important topic and say hello.



I just wanted to tell you that I have been speaking to many industry people who are not happy with .XXX. Tom Hymes, Conner and Brandon from fight the patent, at the moment a letter is being drafted by the entire Free Speech Coalition legal firm to Larry Flynt in regards to just how important it is that he speaks out against this or to put this whole new .XXX domain deal on hold. They play the ?support card? from Hustler fairly heavy. Most people know this has nothing to do with any protection of Children or there rights, merely a sales tool to bring this to our internet. What I wanted you to know is that it?s not to late to move to stop this now, and just to let you know a simple paragraph on Hustler stationary could set a number of things in motion and put this entire .XXX on hold or pause to take another close look at what and how it could effect our entire industry.



It would seem that this would fall into our freedom of speech now, and with letters from Senator Joe Lieberman and many others in support of this .XXX show which direction this is heading.



I would have rather in my own mind taken the course of some kind of action to try and stop something that most agree would be a very bad thing for our industry than sit back as so many other do, and let the process happen then later wish I did something. I am reaching out to you in the hope we can spend a little time to talk about this soon.



I look forward to talking to you and my direct number is below:



Regards,



Mike Hawk

LFP RESPONSE

Mike:



Larry Flynt and the Hustler organization have never said that it supported or was against .XXX. We have not taken a position one way or another with press or any other organization and any comments attributed to Hustler have been from former employees making their own opinions on what Hustler is doing.



Thanks



Michael H. Klein

President

LFP Broadcasting LLC/LFP Internet Group LLC



Now what makes this response back from LFP so interesting is that ICANN has a letter clearing of support from Hustler or a "person" within this group of .XXX saying they are supporting the .XXX when it would seem they are clearly not....hmmmm

Strange?

actually this is a common tactic these days give your support and when called on the mat claim neutrality and lay it off on an employee or something...LFP is doing it and so is AVN

the truth is that not taking a position really is taking a position particularly when you are in a position of power on the scale of LFP or AVN

So what it boils down to is that they are fucking us but at the moment are being kind enough to use lube....for the moment.

and the reach-around will be right into our wallets...

Nicely put. And only makes you wonder what the motivation is.

How do you find icm to be a good company when they have no track record, you are so transparent its laughable. I hope you were paid well to sell our souls and Q I hope you were promised something great becuase if you guys lived 100 yrs it wont wipe all the bad karma. Im done, this is stupid fighting with plants.

I will tell you they want the net like the video biz few players control it. Unfortunately they only see money and are very short sighted, AVN has picked a side by telling Mike he couldnt be on the panel. People should start pulling their ads to show their love, print is dead anyway.

Let me start by saying that I put the Internext panels together with a small team of people from outside of AVN, and with a little help from Tony, the new editor. Paul Fishbein had nothing to do with the panels. Also, let me throw in here that negotiating that panel has taken a really long time, cost a lot of sleep, and I'm not going to stay here arguing about it tonight. Come to Internext and argue with me. I'm done with the bloody thing for now.

The internext .XXX panel at one point had NO ICM members on it because they didn't want to have a debate. That was fine, I told them to take it or leave it but the panel was going on whether they were there or not. My attitude is, if you aren't willing to stand up and face the music, that's your choice, it'll still keep playing. That kind of sucked though. After a lot of negotiation the panel was finalized with Tom Hymes from the FSC and Connor Young from YNot included, both aggressively opposed to ICM.

At this point, I'm not going to argue with Mike South about AVN's supposed motives, I'm done with that;it'll never end and I enjoy my peaceful life. The Internext panels reflect MY motives more than anyone elses; I negotiated a public debate as opposed to three guys preaching to the converted with no obvious solution. My motive to do so...? Common sense and a high IQ. My sincerest apologies to all.

it sucks, looks like there's not much hope anymore to do anything to stop. .xxx becoming reality in a few months