Two days after FlashCash removed their "defraud" module (stats)

**King of Queens** · 12-06-2006, 02:22 AM

Nice stats.... now

Can't help but wonder what type of loss to affiliates this module caused.

**beta-tester** · 12-06-2006, 03:52 AM

what THE FUCK! ??!
How's that ?? bookmarks?

**Dirty F** · 12-06-2006, 03:54 AM

**Miguel T** · 12-06-2006, 03:55 AM

Fucking A!!!

**Dirty F** · 12-06-2006, 03:55 AM

"there is nothing wrong on our end"
"Low signups have nothing to do with nats"
etc etc

**evildick** · 12-06-2006, 03:58 AM

I take it they removed it on the 5th? That is craziness. Worst idea ever. Any program that tries to use that module should give their head a shake.

**Klen** · 12-06-2006, 03:58 AM

Originally posted by Franck

"there is nothing wrong on our end"
"Low signups have nothing to do with nats"
etc etc

Well there is no alternative except use sponsors which dont use nats.

**Dirty F** · 12-06-2006, 03:59 AM

So was already answered where the money goes that is flagged as non qualified signup? I stopped reading that other thread after page 3 or so.

**beta-tester** · 12-06-2006, 04:02 AM

very interesting...im just wondering what would happen if most of those signups turn out to be a fraud ones. That's definitely a lot of signups and conversion ratio is pretty amazing....i just don't get the point. NATS?

**Dirty F** · 12-06-2006, 04:04 AM

Originally posted by beta-tester

NATS?

You think they will answer anything?

Everythings fine on their end and everything else is secret.

**AmateurWealth** · 12-06-2006, 04:08 AM

Something is definitely wrong with those stats.....if you had 1:0 on my program i would definitely look into it also....

**beta-tester** · 12-06-2006, 04:10 AM

hmm, some real and SERIOUS explanation is definitely needed! I mean, we all can live in lies but what's the point, again? They claim NATS Software can't shave, or at least they don't want to make it shave, what's up now? I am not telling they are shaving (the sponsors who use nats) but what's the trick, I'd be more than happy to find out

**Dirty F** · 12-06-2006, 06:59 AM

Up to the top.

**mattz** · 12-06-2006, 07:00 AM

nice stats - congrats

**gleem** · 12-06-2006, 07:33 AM

wait, I missed something here, there's a "defraud module" for NATS?

Thread?

**gleem** · 12-06-2006, 07:37 AM

**Dirty Dane** · 12-06-2006, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by Franck

**s9ann0** · 12-06-2006, 07:42 AM

that looks like blatant carding to me 1 join page hit (I guess qualified means join page?) and 22 signups

**DarkJedi** · 12-06-2006, 07:56 AM

Originally posted by spanno

that looks like blatant carding to me 1 join page hit (I guess qualified means join page?) and 22 signups

it's not.

5 other webmasters i know report the same sales increase.

and dig this:

todays sales have just disappeared:

**xclusive** · 12-06-2006, 08:05 AM

Damn 20 sale just went bye bye. Be nice to get flashcash in this thread.

**gleem** · 12-06-2006, 08:12 AM

there is no way you converted at 1:14 on any flashcash site which your stats for yesterday say, that's just a simple database error. Nothing against Flashcash but their sites aren't even close to being that good.

I run NATS, I know people that work with it scripting on it, and there is no feezable way to shave sales with it. The only possible shaves are to ADD SALES, and even that will just mess everything up and is only meant to give an affiliate credit if something fucked up happens like an outage or something. The Entire NATS program is encrypted and you can't go doing ANYTHING custom to the actual NATS script itself.

Even if there was a way to use NATS and create a Shave module, NATS would shut your ass down if they found out cause then every Sponsor that uses it, like me, would dump their ass in a heartbeat since most of us pick it cause affiliates can trust they are not being shaved if you see the "We use NATS" message on the sponsor page. That was one of the best features of the script, an incentive to sign up with us cause you know you won't be shaved.

**gleem** · 12-06-2006, 11:45 AM

I love having the last word ;)

**blackhatter** · 12-06-2006, 11:48 AM

what is so wrong about daily pay then? Proof right there!

**Dagwolf** · 12-06-2006, 11:52 AM

I don't get it.

**gleem** · 12-06-2006, 12:21 PM

I don't get why FlashCash isn't all over this thread knocking the rumor down

**davidd** · 12-06-2006, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by gleem

I don't get why FlashCash isn't all over this thread knocking the rumor down

Simply because we have worked with DJ for a long time and we not looking to get into a never ending feud with him. Any reasonable person that looks at his numbers realizes there is no way to have a 300% to 500% increase in sales in a 24 hour period on the same (if not lower) traffic.

As Buddy stated in the other thread, NATS imported the same transactions multiple times. They corrected the issue and his numbers are correct. Anyone who has dealt with new code knows there will, most likely, be issues when it first goes live.

-dd

**Buddy** · 12-06-2006, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by gleem

I don't get why FlashCash isn't all over this thread knocking the rumor down

We've explained it several times. It was simply a display problem caused when nats removed the sales verification, we've offered to show Darkjedi or any of our webmasters the raw sales data from the processor. NATS has fixed the problem.

**Karupted Charles** · 12-06-2006, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by gleem

there is no way you converted at 1:14 on any flashcash site which your stats for yesterday say, that's just a simple database error. Nothing against Flashcash but their sites aren't even close to being that good.

I run NATS, I know people that work with it scripting on it, and there is no feezable way to shave sales with it. The only possible shaves are to ADD SALES, and even that will just mess everything up and is only meant to give an affiliate credit if something fucked up happens like an outage or something. The Entire NATS program is encrypted and you can't go doing ANYTHING custom to the actual NATS script itself.

Even if there was a way to use NATS and create a Shave module, NATS would shut your ass down if they found out cause then every Sponsor that uses it, like me, would dump their ass in a heartbeat since most of us pick it cause affiliates can trust they are not being shaved if you see the "We use NATS" message on the sponsor page. That was one of the best features of the script, an incentive to sign up with us cause you know you won't be shaved.

HAHAHAHAHA Ok you obviosly haven't taken a very deep look into this. Even John has admitted its not shave proof just "they" don't market a shave module.

**gleem** · 12-06-2006, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by davidd

As Buddy stated in the other thread, NATS imported the same transactions multiple times. They corrected the issue and his numbers are correct. Anyone who has dealt with new code knows there will, most likely, be issues when it first goes live.

-dd

Buddy didn't state this in this thread unless I'm just missing it, I never accused you guys of shaving, if you read my posts on this thread I was defending you guys, but thought it was odd there was no response.

**tenletters** · 12-06-2006, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by DarkJedi

it's not.

5 other webmasters i know report the same sales increase.

and dig this:

todays sales have just disappeared:

son of a bitch but your ratios are nice. Were you promoting the free trial or???

My ratios with them, when I pushed them were disgusting (using free trial links).

**tenletters** · 12-06-2006, 02:53 PM

nevermind... i did the math.

Jedi, what type of traffic is that... if you don't mind saying?

Two days after FlashCash removed their "defraud" module (stats)

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