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Originally Posted by Tempest
If I could give you an exact example, I definately would.. I've only had 2 programs (well 3 if you include fleshlight which I'm still not sure about, I'll see if I can still get the old stats) switch from other software to NATs. One is Flashcash which I don't send enough traffic to to really make a comparison, and the other program also implemented their own merchant account so it's not a fair comparison.
But the real problem comes in with programs that have only ever used NATs. For example.. Let's say I promote 10 ebony sites from programs that don't use NATs and 10 ebony sites from programs that use NATs. Now if the non NATs sites are always making me more money than the NATs ones, how can any of us prove that to you... And that's the major issue that many of us see and try to communicate. We promote sites that use NATs and "should" perform as well as the non NATs ones, and yet they don't. I just don't know how we could prove that to you since one can always just assume it all comes down to how they're marketed... This is not something the programs themselves or your programmers etc. could track down or report on. It's only affiliates that promote a lot of programs and sites.
But you don't appear to be listening and I can understand that given some of the personalities that get into the conversation.
Maybe you could approach a group of the top affiliates and maybe they'd be willing to share numbers across a lot of programs and sites with you. That's about the only way you could truly investigate it.
I understand your frustration and believe me, I'm also frustrated when I promote sites that I just know in my gut should do better than they end up doing. I'm not bashing. I'm just trying to communicate my experiences and impressions as an affiliate.
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Thank you
You're exactly right that we can't do anything about the products. Some sell, some don't. Not every program is a match for everyone's traffic. NATS programs may have many affiliates doing well and it may just not sell on your traffic or Shap's since you pointed him out. If those programs had all of their affiliates with shitty ratios and told them all "everything looks fine" I don't think they would be doing much business.
As for the examples with NATS. One, Flashcash, you said you don't have enough traffic to really judge. The second, Fleshlightcash, has been gone over and did have some issues at the changeover time which has never been denied. The third, you said there was no performance drop on but you negate that because you think there should be one from them moving to their own merchant account. Thats not ALWAYS the case. Their gateway could be doing just as much scrubbing as a 3rd party if they want it to. Saying that NATS must be making it worse because factor XYZ should be making it better doesn't make too much sense.
I appreciate you understanding my frustration. Contrary to what you said about me originally I care very very much about how our product performs and its reputation with both affiliates and program owners. If there is an issue it is 100% our priority to look into it and get it fixed. But I can't keep chasing an invisible issue.