A conversation I had with a password thief

**hahmike** · 12-06-2002, 06:29 PM

**UnseenWorld** · 12-06-2002, 06:52 PM

I like it when they argue they are actually benefitting the sites whose passwords they pirate. Yes, I know there ARE some webmasters who give out passwords temporarily, but what about the other webmasters whose bandwidth suddenly goes sky high?

By parity of reason, I could argue that since most of you would be better off with a healthier diet, it would be okay to force you to eat a diet of MY choosing.

**WiredGuy** · 12-06-2002, 08:02 PM

I agree with one point. That paysite programs should have some kind of script or piracy detection tool to kill off compromised passwords...

WG

**VirtuMike** · 12-07-2002, 12:46 AM

It's called contributory neglegence at the very least. What would I call it?

Gross neglegence, malicious interference with business practices, wire fraud, fraud, computer fraud, theft by deception, conspiracy to defraud, conspiracy to commit any of this other stuff, and it also violates several states' computer crimes laws. Build up a history of it and it's RICO.

Oh and according to the new USA Patriot Act, they're also committing acts of terrorism against a US corporation or citizen.

But I'm not a lawyer. Get one.

Buy my content. Get Got Jizz and Porn in Public on your members site today and see your retention go up and your members writing you thank you emails with one hand.

**Theo** · 12-07-2002, 12:54 AM

password sites rule,i'm thinking to setup one or two

**Sambuka** · 12-07-2002, 01:03 AM

Yeah right like the US govt gives a flying fuck about password sites. They could care less about a few stray passwords posted on a small bunch of sites or on IRC.

Oh and that guy doesn't have any passwords on his sites, there all scams and links to sponsors and trades. So whats the problem? He is linking to other password sites? OH heaven forbid.

If you don't have pennywize or some other protection from your passwords getting out you deserve what you get. Its like not wearing your seat belt while driving.

And most paysites pay by the GIG NOT by the megabyte. $1 per gig is the average for quality paysite hosting. Or at least it is at candidhosting.com.

Sammy

**Theo** · 12-07-2002, 01:08 AM

well said Sambuka, can you please force a bit in our trade with hackedpassxxx.com? thanks :-)

**Sambuka** · 12-07-2002, 03:57 AM

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
well said Sambuka, can you please force a bit in our trade with hackedpassxxx.com? thanks :-)

Umm I have 200 password sites, which one were you trading with?

Sammy

**notjoe** · 12-07-2002, 04:03 AM

Originally posted by Rictor
snowdrift (07:32 PM) :
the quality of traffic coming from your site has been really bad, im going to let it run 24 hours but if things don't work out i guess they don't work out for this traffic trade. If you have any other sites that you think might run better please msg me
snowdrift (07:33 PM) :
this is the trade of cheerleaderwhore.com to backdoortoporn.com

RicTor (07:36 PM) :
backdoortoporn? is that a password trading site or something?
snowdrift (07:37 PM) :
i thnk that msg got lost please repeat
RicTor (07:38 PM) :
backdoortoporn? is that a password trading site or something?
RicTor (07:38 PM) :
i see you sign up at pigporn.com too...any of my other sites?
snowdrift (07:38 PM) :
correct
RicTor (07:38 PM) :
i do not trade with password sites...please do not send any traffic to my sites
snowdrift (07:39 PM) :
may i ask why?

RicTor (07:39 PM) :
password sites!?!?!?! that's fucking illegal, that's why
snowdrift (07:39 PM) :
no it isnt

RicTor (07:40 PM) :
i own paysites
snowdrift (07:41 PM) :
yeah and password sites probably provide you with more signups than tgp sites, passwords die off in a day, are normally posted by the owners who arent up for using them anymore anyways and then grab others from people who did the same thing
snowdrift (07:41 PM) :
its not illegal and if anything it provides people a glimpse of a pay site in such a way that the pay sites get a better sign up ratio from an inhouse advertising scheme that they technically don't have to approve of
snowdrift (07:42 PM) :
im sure if you examined what i've said you'll find im correct, its not illegal its just not approved of in the public paysite eye but i bet if you look behind the scenes you'll find that more of the richer pay site owners deal with pw sites behind the curtain
snowdrift (07:43 PM) :
just a thought, im not arguing just trying to explain to ya bro
snowdrift (07:43 PM) :
and i don't want to get ya mad so if you just tell me what sites you run i'll make sure they are not on my trade lists
RicTor (07:44 PM) :
http:///www.pigporn.com/webmasters.html
snowdrift (07:45 PM) :
gotcha
snowdrift (07:45 PM) :
btw do you see any truth to what i was telling you?
RicTor (07:46 PM) :
what is your bandwidth bill per month?
snowdrift (07:47 PM) :
not much about 45 bucks right now, but then again i don't really own as many sites as you do
RicTor (07:49 PM) :
A small pay site on its own server might spend 1k a month and a couple bucks per meg overage. 1 day of a password being posted to some password sites causes the bandwidth bill to shoot into the $3-4k range, especially if it's a movie site. The pay site will not make that money back.
RicTor (07:49 PM) :
Do you understand now?
snowdrift (07:51 PM) :
well that part I can see your point, I definately didnt realize the bandwidth would hit like that
RicTor (07:52 PM) :
good bandwidth is not 50 cents a gig like you are propbably paying
snowdrift (07:52 PM) :
actually i have amazing bandwidth and it gets cheaper as i spend more, I would highly recommend my host
RicTor (07:54 PM) :
Paysites need a dedicated server...they pay for bandwidth in megabits...not by the gig
snowdrift (07:59 PM) :
you could use perl scripts to detect and kill a password though within 30 seconds of its posting, thereby protecting your site and making it more secure, if your not doing that your kinda leaving yourself open and asking for it arent ya?

This guys ICQ number is 173726284 if anyone wants to debate this further with him. I don't have time for idiots.

Snowdrift is right though. I have seen this kind of action when i worked at some porn companies.

Joe

**paxan** · 12-07-2002, 04:06 AM

cool

**Gemini** · 12-07-2002, 04:10 AM

GIG NOT by the megabyte...

*detecting note of newbieism In Sammy*

Mega *BIT*

Sheesh. Newbies

**EscortBiz** · 12-07-2002, 04:13 AM

The max you can login in one day in my site is 15 times and if 15 times are attempted I get an email.

Thats why I had my stuff built custom

**sweetcuties** · 12-07-2002, 06:29 AM

I hate them... I'm happy I've got a good protection program. Can you believe the fuckers comment, "I had no idea that it was eating up their bandwith... I use 45gigs for the mth." What an ignorant bitch!!

**Spoonie Luv** · 12-07-2002, 06:42 AM

just a suggestion from a non-paysite owner:

flood them with "username/password" to go into a teaser area of your site that won't kill you on bandwidth and may result in an upsell or two?

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

A conversation I had with a password thief

A conversation I had with a password thief

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