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251 ... fuck wojOriginally posted by rayadp05Comment
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Originally posted by NaughtyAce
Your Right Andreas, It wasn't you.
"We are told to let our light shine, and if it does, we won't need to tell anybody it does. Lighthouses don't fire cannons to call attention to their shining- they just shine."Comment
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Louis,
You are upset on a bigger level. You did not like the fact that we did not give you what you wanted and decided that you might as well burn the ship on the way down.
Answer my question...
Show me the dozens of girls that had our stuff. I am backing up all of my statements but you just seem happy now that I have engaged you. I am glad to see that you are finally admitting that you knew full well that your offer was unreasonable and this was more about trying to take us down b/c of dislike for being stonewalled after I rejected your offer. Had you been smart you would have apologized for your temper and would have made another counter offer.
This is all so silly in our eyes. You are mad at us for making simple mistakes and when we tried to make it right you got upset. I have spent my morning responding to your silly post and taken time away from making my resellers happy.
I apologize to all of our resellers who count on us to keep their members recurring. Maybe you should think about doing the same thing.Comment
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I will pay $3,000 to all parties involved if we can just bury the hatchet and move on with more pressing business (Ie. Buying more traffic from GTS!) ;)
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Oh really If I had 20k members and you tried taking a stab at them. and I said pay me back 3 months worth of the feeds you do it. it's not rocket science.Originally posted by WeppelComment
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Bro you guys took a stab at his members and probably everyone elses members.Originally posted by NaughtyAmerica
you are not serious???with this post
you admit to making the mistake yet your telling him to take your offer or fuck off?Comment
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I'll take that offer thank youOriginally posted by DrinkingLight
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When you get a chance lets trade trafficOriginally posted by DrinkingLight
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Roger,
Yes. That is our stand. Take the offer, make a better one or head into the sunset. If you dont like our way of doing business, dont do business with us.Comment
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Lou would not have had the feeds up had you told him before hand things were changing and upselling was going to happen. He would have told you deal him out now. So at the very least, even by your own admission of how long this occurred, you got a month of service paid that otherwise you would not have had. You should have run to the mailbox with a check to pay him at least that. Then there is the fact that you broke trust when you told him beforehand there would be NO upselling. Is that fuckup worth paying him back a month or two? Alot of folks would see that this is not only the right thing but as Jayeff previously pointed out, its also the right thing for you.Originally posted by NaughtyAce
You are talk about accepting responsibility for your mistakes but then in the next breath you want to argue about whether Lou actually had customers leave and if so, how much it shows how weak Karups is. This is the message board equivalent of attacking the rape victim on the stand as looking like a whore. Its a cheap move and doesnt speak highly of your touted ethics.
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David,Originally posted by scoreman
wow this is a perfect summary of this situation. And if you do not mind the next time the NA team says anything else that makes no sense at all( which is every post) I would like to direct them to this post.
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ummmm, it's only slander if they can't back it up.Originally posted by NaughtyAmerica
i'm not going to disagree with your line of reasoning, it's how i handle my own dealings but people make their own decisions on how to handle things and we have to deal with that too.
i have one question.
i'm finding it hard to pin down if there was or was not clickable links to naughty america on the feeds to your sites. if there was - and it's starting to look like there was to be honest - why would this be a mistake and they are there on your own paysites? I don't understand that - do you sell your own members memberships they already have? That doesn't make sense to me?
i don't see (and that doesn't mean there isn't a plausable explaination) but i don't see any reason for links to naughtyamerica on your feeds within your own paysites other than if you PLANNED to put them there to steal from the people you sell feeds from. but i'm open to listening to your reasoning there......
This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
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people have the right to talk about the business they do with you though unless you have an agreement otherwise with them - as long as it isn't false it isn't slander it's totally legal and acceptable.Originally posted by NaughtyAmericaThis dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
Now read without the word dog.Comment
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If you go to your bank and start yelling at them and getting hostile because they made an honest mistake that you believe was intentional, they kick you the fuck out of the bank and take you away in handcuffs.Originally posted by scoremanComment
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lets please keep in mind that I was not threating him in any way. I was just loudly saying I didnt believe him and that I honestly felt this was intentional. BIG DIFFERENCE.Originally posted by BobG
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Scoreman,
You are flat out saying that we intentionally decided to upsell and not tell him. This is once again not the case and I dont understand why you like Louis cannot understand this concept. The fact that he brought it to our attention should not make us feel we need to run to the mail box and send him money. It is about company policy and what we feel that we made him a great offer. We felt that our offer made more sense then cutting him a check.
You are saying that I am in the wrong for questioning his business strenght but it is okay to attack my complete business credibility b/c I did not give him what I wanted. I am sorry but I cannot even entertain your one sided post.
This is your opinion and I respect it. We run our business different then you and there is nothing wrong with that.Comment
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I dont believe this is a good analogy at all.Originally posted by BobG
A closer analogy is if you knew the bank owner and did business for 4 years. Then you wake up and your account is fubar and the mistakes all go the way of the bank. So you walk into the bank, mad as hell and start yelling. Do you think then the bank owner is going to jettison you out the door in handcuffs?
Jayeff's comments on this are so good, Ill just cut and paste again
"And it's just tough if your client is pissed and doesn't talk to you in the way you would prefer. You suck it up. The client has every right to be upset in circumstances like these: especially to Karups, the presence of these upsells would not have been a minor matter because they introduced an element to their member area that is entirely contrary to the principles on which they run their sites."Comment
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Sleazy,
Its very simple.
We do upsell our members to our other sites and we inform them of whats going on at NaughtyAmerica. However, they can only upgrade with their login info. They cant give a credit card or anything like that. Its all done thru upgrade scripts. Its not like we had a referral code collecting sales. The pages that were in the feed were the exact same ones that were in our members area. Normally they would not have had the ticker nor the image stamp. Once again, we made a damn good offer to make Louis happy and he was not okay with it.Comment
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Originally posted by NaughtyAmerica
Yes I think it was 100% intentional. Cmon man you dont make these kinds of mistakes over and over again. How did the scolling JAVA link get there then? That was a seperate mistake then the URLS posted on the photos and textlinks above the photos. Too many simple errors here. Look at the screenshots and look at how many different types of errors there are...
1) URL in a watermark on the image.
2) Running Java Appelet or whatever you wanna call it scrolling at the top of all pages.
3) Clickable TEXTLINK above the thumpages for the models.
simple mistake huh? DOUBT IT
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scoreman from above: A closer analogy is if you knew the bank owner and did business for 4 years. Then you wake up and your account is fubar and the mistakes all go the way of the bank. So you walk into the bank, mad as hell and start yelling. Do you think then the bank owner is going to jettison you out the door in handcuffs?
Depends on what you call the bankers mother !!!
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LOL wow talk about customer satisfaction. I guess you don't follow the rules of the customer is always right. most stand up companies do..Originally posted by NaughtyAmerica
you guys admit to fucking up and he was a customer for 4 years I'm just going by what I read. havn't even spoke to Lou about it.
But by the way you guys are responding I already determined not to do biz with you.
Best of luck PornoPushers
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You don't get it at all do you? YOU screwed up, so you don't get to decide on the "punishment"...Originally posted by NaughtyAce
If you had handled this the right way, your first offer would have been a really good one, intended to tempt Karup into staying with you. If they didn't bite on that, you negotiate around what they were asking for. And even if you cannot agree, you send some compensation, both to show good faith and to cover yourself in case of threads like this.
But what you don't do is nothing. Because after all the 'we didn't do so-and-so' posts, followed soon after by 'well we did, but...' messages in this thread, the bottom line is YOU SCREWED UP. You don't add to that by refusing to do anything at all except on your terms.
This is so amateur night, it is almost unreal. Did you really expect Karup just to walk away? Jeez. Even a newbie could make this story credible so what did you think was going to happen when you ignored them? You could nearly guarantee that if you didn't do something, they would hit the boards. Why wouldn't they? But after all the weeks you have had to deal with this, your eventual response is to start knocking Karup. That's going to be real productive isn't it!
At least the captain of the Titanic tried to steer away from the iceberg...Comment
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not that this situation effects my income with naughty america but it does affect my opinion of them, gonna have to pull my links and see what happensCLICK HERE FOR SOME EXTREME PAYCHECKS 178.247.277Comment
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Your intentions are only known to you, but intent here is irrelevant imo.Originally posted by NaughtyAmerica
Even if this was a clerical mistake, the fact of the matter is that Lou would have opted out of your feeds if he was told that this was coming. You got at least a month's payment when you didnt deserve that. Telling him the only solution is for him to accept more service from you is ridiculous imo.Comment
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Once again.
We made an offer to make him happy and he was not satisfied. The customer is right and you try to make him happy. But, you dont throw away your business principles.Comment
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I have said my peace on this issue.
We did nothing intentional and tried to make Louis happy. He was not happy with what we offered him for compensation and he decided to take this route.Comment
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so are you saying that the links on the feeds would not work being that they are only for upgrades?Originally posted by NaughtyAmerica
that would be a huge point.... would prove intentional or not in my mind....This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
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Absolutely.
Its was for a special members offer for another one of our sites. You cannot even sign up with a credit card.
And think about it. Why would we stamp an image with socalcoeds.com when the members are getting socalcoeds.com? Come on, wouldnt have made sense to stamp them with another site. I am sorry guys but I am not going to sit here and let everyone think that NaughtyAmerica went out of its way to screwn people over. You may not like our return/refund policy...and that is a good reason not to buy our streams. These are two different issues.
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You nailed it on the head.Originally posted by jayeff
I don't have anything against anyone its just biz I bet many other programs just let it go and canceled or they don't care it only takes one to bring awareness.Comment
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And after reading this thread, I must say your business principles are excellent!!! Andreas you have totally screwed yourself over in this thread with your ascenine comments and thoughts about doing business and dealing with not only long term clients, but also self-proclaimed good friends. If you had just said Lou, I think 3 months is a bit unfair for this but how about we end our relationship and I will reimburse you for this month plus one extra months time, you don't think he would have listened? Maybe not accepted but at least talking about resolving the issue. He told you he was done with you guys, so offering him a month free was obviously unacceptable, as was offering exit traffic. Why you say? He wanted to cut all ties with your company, so why does he want your traffic? Cut the check and call it a day.Originally posted by NaughtyAmerica
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If there is anything we can do to earn your traffic please let me know as we are always looking for honest affiliates that understand the importance of principals.Originally posted by WicKed NinJasTPF 2010 "They are eating our sausages!"Comment
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Louis,
How come you decided on 3000? Based on what you were paying that would have ment the mistakes were blatant for a specific period of time. Can you give me a time frame of how long you were effected by these errors?
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I'd like to make a comparison of this situation to hosting, something that almost everyone in this business pays for.
If my host did something to my server, intentional or not, and that caused me 24 hours of downtime. (or 48, or 72, or whatever)
Point being that 24 hours of downtime will cost you alot more business and cancelling members than anything a feed provider could do.
Say they hired a new tech and he fucked the server up because he wasn't trained properly. This is similar to what Naughty America claims happened with the feeds, a new person was doing the updates and updated the feeds with the same pages as the members area.
Do you tell your host they have to refund you for your last 3 months of service? On top of that you're leaving and going to another host, BUT they better give you back the last 3 checks you sent them or else you're going to go to the boards?
Is the hosting company wrong for not refunding 3 months of service and instead offering 1 month for free? Would you burn NatNet or ISPrime in effigy on the boards in this situation?sig too bigComment
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Not really, if you are going to not satifsfy your good long term clients with reasonable offers and negotation and allegations like you have, how far down the road are you from moving into the arena of Intent? To me its all the same boat of principles and doing right in all situations.Originally posted by NaughtyAmerica
Now I do believe the intent was lacking here, but thats not important. It was an error by you guys, which whether on purpose or not violated what Lou and Jeff asked for when you started working together and its right to end the relationship and ask for compensation. Did he lose many members? Probably not. But thats not the issue here either, its the fact that the very presence of your errors on his sites would have pissed off his members, who are not used to seeing such upsells, and who in fact are his members for that very fact. Jayeff nailed it.XXXRewards - Karups - Boyfun - Jawked. Paying on time since 1997. Contact me at brent [at] xxxrewards.comComment
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Axeman,
I did exactly that. I sat on the phone for an hour trying to come to a resolution and he was never satisfied. I tried to come to a middle ground and he said no.Comment
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Shemp - Is that really what it looked like?Originally posted by the ShempComment
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It's sad that the Naughty America guys don't look better after 2 hours of arguing ...Originally posted by rayadp05Comment
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So 4 years of feeds is almost $100k (@ 2k a month)... he asks you for what ? 3 % of what he spent with you so far ? I think I would have probablay done it ... but I'm not in your situation ;)Originally posted by NaughtyAmericaOriginally posted by rayadp05Comment
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If I am not mistaken, Louis asked for 3 months as compensation and end the relationship. So he actually wanted $6k in refunds. If he was affected for 1 day thats enough time for me to warrant compensation in big proportions. That one day could have pissed off 200 of his members who are his members because they dont get upsold and screwed around. Members are fickle and things like this can piss them off.Originally posted by NaughtyAmericaXXXRewards - Karups - Boyfun - Jawked. Paying on time since 1997. Contact me at brent [at] xxxrewards.comComment
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Oh my god >>>LOLOriginally posted by NaughtyAmerica
what are you guys on over there. Get rid of the Ego's
He doesn't even have to prove damages you are already admiting you did wrong!!!Comment
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Do you let people call you up on the phone and yell at you like they would to a little kid or a criminal and hang you guilty before proven innocent Brent? Or do you stand up for yourself?Originally posted by AxemanComment
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BULLSHIT. YOU DIDNT LISTEN AT ALL. If you did you would know that I asked for 3 months of service back not 3000 you idiot.Originally posted by NaughtyAmerica
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Originally posted by Lenny2
Not 3 months here, but I certainly would be asking for good compensation. Especially if it was a new tech guy that caused the error.XXXRewards - Karups - Boyfun - Jawked. Paying on time since 1997. Contact me at brent [at] xxxrewards.comComment
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ya, karup saved the image, he posted the url on page 5 i think.Originally posted by davidd
if i saw that in my members area, i would go freakin ballistic...Comment
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