Andreas from Naughty America/Socalstreams fucked us over

ok, i'm a little lost - was this over an image tag in the feed? or clickable links or worse?

what exactly was in question here?

SPW Guru,

In the mean time we know what our traffic does and can do, we know how we take webmasters with us from small to big.....

Please enlighten me as to why you have Karups PC traffic retains in your sig when you obviously couldn't retain that well if 4 girls worth of stamps is stealing your members and ruining your business.

Do you think customers are that stupid that they can't figure out SoCalStreams is on NaughtyAmerica as SoCalCoeds.
It's like saying that programs that have Hustler's Barely Legal plugin on their site, don't know to go to Hustler for their Barely Legal content.

Let us begin with what is SoCalStreams, Our relationship & "The Facts"

What was SoCalStreams?

A monthly plug-in that was based on the members area of socalcoeds.com with additional content from Dirtylatinamaids and an assortment of other sites. The plugin was updated every week with a new girl and all videos were stamped naughtyamerica.com.

Who is Louis & what is Karups PC?

Louis is the president and owner of Karups Pc. Karups is an exclusive photography and video website that has been around for five to seven years

What is my relationship with Louis?

I have known Louis for over four years. I have had drinks with him at shows, spoken to him on the phone, wrote him Christmas cards, talked with him about both our personal pasts, family life and occasionally spoken about our business goals in the industry. We have never had one disagreement over a four year period or one single issue that needed to be resolved. When he was unhappy with our pricing of the streams, we lowered the pricing due to our relationship in the past. We never had a contract nor a written agreement of any kind. We simply did business as good friends and always were around to help each other. When we first spoke I introduced him to the concept of mailing your ex-members to get them to re-join and even offered our original photographer for socalcoeds to shoot for Karups. In return he offered some solid advice and it seemed like a beneficial relationship.

How did Louis inform us of this MAJOR problem he uncovered?

I was driving to work and I got a phone call from Louis on my personal cell phone. This man stopped what he was doing to call me at 7.30 in the morning to inform me of this major problem. He immediately asked me why I was trying to fuck him over with up sells? I was shocked! ....I did not know what he was talking about or why he would even accuse me of such a thing. At first I thought maybe he had not looked at our streams in over a year and noticed that we had NaughtyAmerica on the images and videos? No way could that be possible....could it? Louis cares about his members area so much and all his members yet it just now dawned on him that we were putting NA in the videos? Did Louis forget that the videos had NA in them? No, he full well knew about NA and had no problem with it. I asked him about Hustler and he said that it did not bother him about their stamping b/c everyone knows Hustler? After finally trying to figure out why he was upset, he articulated that he saw socalcoeds.com on some images and a ticker...I laughed and informed him that this was an honest mistake and would be corrected immediately once I saw the problem for myself. Low and behold when I got to the office I saw exactly what was in question, we had updated the streams with the exact page template from the socalcoeds.com members area. Don?t forget folks?we were leasing the exact same content to our customers as we gave our members. Well, Mr.Louis did not accept these obvious facts. Louis could not believe that we would have made such a simple mistake.


How I felt this should have been resolved?

Because Louis uncovered this minor mistake I felt that it was best to give him some kind of compensation. Had it had not been for Louis it would have been another customer or our team that uncovered this error. As a program owner, tgp owner or content reseller we all make common mistakes that are brought to our attention and we fix them. Due to the fact this error was online no longer then a couple weeks and was on 3 or 4 girls pages from a list of 110, I figured that a free month would be sufficient. Unfortunately, this was not enough for Louis?so I offered him exit traffic from SoCalCoeds.com. I felt this would be a fair exchange for uncovering our honest mistake. Again?this was not enough for Louis. Something must have really upset him as he continued to scream and yell. He felt that there is no way anyone could have made a simple mistake, people must be trying to screw him over, and the world must be against him. He yelled, he screamed and nothing was accomplished. After arguing back and forth he let me know he would get back to me with what he felt was a fair resolution. Eventually I got an email and some phone calls that added up to the following:

?Pay us $3000 or we are going to the message boards.?


Why did Louis get so upset and not believe the facts or the logical explanation?

Could it have been that this was the day after the 2257 ruling? Was Louis upset about something and wanted to take it out on someone b/c of a bigger issue? Why would he think Andreas, a guy he knew for four years would try to ruin his entire relationship with such a successful and powerful person in the industry over some random type-in sales. You must remember that it is not like we had a special socalstreams just for Louis? So?.we would have been trying to intentionally screw everyone over? That makes no sense at all. If we were going to try and steal traffic, don?t you think this seems a little strange to try something so small and obvious? What about when you make a mistake on your tours and a reseller does not get credit for a sale? I think we have a bigger issue on our hand that now needs to be examined. Do you realize what you have done to yourself. You built your business on the idea that members stick with you b/c you are the best and now you are quibbling that you LOST ALL OF YOUR MEMBERS b/c of this?


Why did I not post?

I owe my resellers and employee?s more then responding to a post from someone who is obviously used to sitting behind a desk and firing away at a key board. I don?t know why someone could get so upset over such an honest mistake. If I pay Louis $3000 then I set a precedent that every little mistake we make or any program makes should be over compensated to those who were affected. If a reseller finds a broken link your pages are you going to pay him 1 billion dollars? We offer a great product at a great price and we always strived to make things top notch.

These are the facts. If you don?t believe them?that is fine. I am not going to debate what happened and what did not.
If we ever make another mistake we will be sure to correct it immediately like we did when this happened.

I will not tell you to Go Fuck Yourself, I will not call you an ass-hole and I will not slander you. The facts speak for themselves and I hope you sleep well tonight when all of your resellers start asking themselves ?is my traffic really that strong with a recurring program that is afraid of a type in mistake.? I advice all resellers to Join Karups and start looking for these type of errors as surely they have much to worry about.

......... Not to mention the running JAVA appelet that was running on EVERY FUCKING PAGE. Did you forget about that?

Louis

ok, tagging an image or video is one thing - running a java appelet is ANOTHER.

if i PAID for a feed and someone put a clickable applet into it steam would come out of my ears and I'd be demanding a refund.


so was this applet clickable to naughtyamerica sites?

Now onto the ACE. Other than pressing Andreas' suits, who the fuck are you? When we met in Atlanta you were practically sucking my cock. And as for money and being in bad shape you dont want to go there my man, because my bank accounts and lifestyle will make you cry and want to kill yourself. So you better stick to being Andreas's bitch rather than my financial advisor because you cannot count that much.


Louis

Louis,

You are LYING.

Show me every page. You cant. The pages that had the stamps would have had the ticker and this was for four girls. Its as simple as I explained it. I made a solid offer to make you happy and you said no and wanted it your way.

You are making too many accusations...

You say I screwed you over...when I did not.

We had an error that we fixe and tried to make you happy and you did not like it. You simply were not happy with our response so you decided to slander us.

Louis...

Are you sure...?

We both know the facts.

Send me $3000 and I wont make the post...

It is Slander b/c he says we were NOT trying to screw him over intentionally.

This is not true.

slan·der Audio pronunciation of "slander" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (slndr)
n.

1. Law. Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.
2. A false and malicious statement or report about someone.

Roger,

You did miss something...

The customer does not decide
what is compensation.....

What is your compensation policy at your current program? and what was it at PornKings?

In what way does this justify us owing karupspc 3 months?

Louis,

You very well know who I am, your actions and the way you conduct yourself on this message board does not reflect this great lifestyle you live or the great guy you boast about. I love working with Andreas and for Naughty America. If I was working for you I would kill myself because someone that obviously conducts themselves this way has no idea with what they are doing. As far as when I met you in Atlanta, I'm a nice fucking guy and I conduct myself in a professional manner and give anyone I meet respect before I expect respect. If you want me to act like some jack ass when I see you, I'm happy to. Until then I'm going to conduct myself as I do, and I will not treat people like shit whether I could or not, that's just the type of person I am.

As for your post about Andreas and the streams. There is no Java applet, there never was, and I posted which girls and which pages had the stamp. You can fantasize all you want but those are the girls and the only page that stamp was on was on their gallery picture set pages, no where else, not on the members pages not even on their home pages, but their picture pages. 4 girls out of 100. Secondly no one questioned your reputation, just your sanity. Thirdly, we didn't say that we didn't give you the money because you were abusive, we didn't give you the money because it is not justly owed to you!

Louis,

You very well know who I am, your actions and the way you conduct yourself on this message board does not reflect this great lifestyle you live or the great guy you boast about. I love working with Andreas and for Naughty America. If I was working for you I would kill myself because someone that obviously conducts themselves this way has no idea with what they are doing. As far as when I met you in Atlanta, I'm a nice fucking guy and I conduct myself in a professional manner and give anyone I meet respect before I expect respect. If you want me to act like some jack ass when I see you, I'm happy to. Until then I'm going to conduct myself as I do, and I will not treat people like shit whether I could or not, that's just the type of person I am.

As for your post about Andreas and the streams. There is no Java applet, there never was, and I posted which girls and which pages had the stamp. You can fantasize all you want but those are the girls and the only page that stamp was on was on their gallery picture set pages, no where else, not on the members pages not even on their home pages, but their picture pages. 4 girls out of 100. Secondly no one questioned your reputation, just your sanity. Thirdly, we didn't say that we didn't give you the money because you were abusive, we didn't give you the money because it is not justly owed to you!

Roger,

The customer makes a choice to stick around or not based on what you offer him in compensation.

What is your policy at your program regarding taking care of resellers for mistakes? If a reseller gets his check late and misses a house payment...how do you cover him? Do you pay for his payment? No, you fedex the check the next day and you hope he is happy with your resolution.

If he is not...

He stops promoting you.

KarupLou,

I'm not sure why you took a simple (human) mistake all the way to the boards, twice. I remember you yapping about it a few months back and now you've decided to start all over again with this pissing and moaning about a human mistake.

In a nutshell, correct me if I?m wrong:

- You found an error on four (4) pages out of a hundred and ten (110). Looks like around 5% of all the pages had an error then right?
- You called your guy over at Naughty America, informed him about the error
- Naughty America looked into it, offered their apologies, offered a free month in compensation and decided to also offer you one month of free exit traffic from SocalCoeds.com
- You decided that this was way too little compensation and decided to take this to the boards, with what purpose exactly?

Just for the record, could you inform us how many members (and revenue for that matter) have lost because of these 4 simple pages that had a different branding on them? Was this in excess of $3000,-?

Mark is a stand-up guy, Naughty America is a stand-up company, I have a lot of respect for the whole team over at NA.

Mark might not have said it but I will: Go Fuck Yourself, go focus on something that doesn't bother us and stop bugging us with things that supposedly happened in the past.

KarupLou,

I'm not sure why you took a simple (human) mistake all the way to the boards, twice. I remember you yapping about it a few months back and now you've decided to start all over again with this pissing and moaning about a human mistake.

In a nutshell, correct me if I?m wrong:

- You found an error on four (4) pages out of a hundred and ten (110). Looks like around 5% of all the pages had an error then right?
- You called your guy over at Naughty America, informed him about the error
- Naughty America looked into it, offered their apologies, offered a free month in compensation and decided to also offer you one month of free exit traffic from SocalCoeds.com
- You decided that this was way too little compensation and decided to take this to the boards, with what purpose exactly?

Just for the record, could you inform us how many members (and revenue for that matter) have lost because of these 4 simple pages that had a different branding on them? Was this in excess of $3000,-?

Mark is a stand-up guy, Naughty America is a stand-up company, I have a lot of respect for the whole team over at NA.

Mark might not have said it but I will: Go Fuck Yourself, go focus on something that doesn't bother us and stop bugging us with things that supposedly happened in the past.

Louis,

I am glad you showed those pictures.

That was exactly what was on the site and I am not saying different.

Once again...

NaughtyAmerica is not saying that we did not accidentaly put image stamps on our pages or the ticket. We are simply trying to convey the reality that you for some reason feel that you deserve more then what you were offered and we dont think you deserve more then what was on the table.

Where else do you want to go with this? You can show whatever you want...we are not hiding our mistake. However, the mistake is no where close to what you claim it was.

You are talking four girls out of 110+.

The plot thickens. Now it's 2 industry players that Andreas fucked over and surprise surprise Andreas is nowhere to be seen. I don't care what Andreas' standing in this industry is, his actions towards Lou (and now Far-L) and his response speak volumes. This thread has cost him business from us. Not to mention the way his people (Ace) act like fuckin douche bags at shows. At the last Sleazy party he was drunk (possibly high) and making the women around him feel very uncomfortable. I let it slide the last time but next time I won't.

Sleazy I suggest you tell Ace to get his shit together or even better not invite him to the next Tgp Party. He's a loser that adds absolutely nothing to the TGP Party. If it really is an ELITE party don't invite the sales people from companies. The Tgp party is elite when elite people are a part of it. Having drunk moron sales people like him show up really lowers the quality in my opinion.

Like you said it was a simple human mistake. so they need to pay very simple the rest is just fluff..

I don't do business with Naughty America or Socal due to an earlier personal incident.

However, if I did, or would have, that would change now to never doing business with them at all.

KarupLou,

I'm not sure why you took a simple (human) mistake all the way to the boards, twice. I remember you yapping about it a few months back and now you've decided to start all over again with this pissing and moaning about a human mistake.

In a nutshell, correct me if I?m wrong:

- You found an error on four (4) pages out of a hundred and ten (110). Looks like around 5% of all the pages had an error then right?
- You called your guy over at Naughty America, informed him about the error
- Naughty America looked into it, offered their apologies, offered a free month in compensation and decided to also offer you one month of free exit traffic from SocalCoeds.com
- You decided that this was way too little compensation and decided to take this to the boards, with what purpose exactly?

Just for the record, could you inform us how many members (and revenue for that matter) have lost because of these 4 simple pages that had a different branding on them? Was this in excess of $3000,-?

Mark is a stand-up guy, Naughty America is a stand-up company, I have a lot of respect for the whole team over at NA.

Mark might not have said it but I will: Go Fuck Yourself, go focus on something that doesn't bother us and stop bugging us with things that supposedly happened in the past.

Roger,

This is a business. Not a boys network. This is not a social event. We are in this to make people money...not have a good time.

You dont think people want to do business with a company that admits its mistakes and then tries to make a really solid offer to make things good again?
I have been in this business for six years and I know very well what it means to make things right.

As I said before...

We let Louis go on and continue his slander until people got in this thread and made some really unnecesary remarks b/c they wanted to show support for Louis. Telling people to go fuck themself and trying to label people drug users is so below NaughtyAmerica.

I wish all of you who took the low road in this thread the best of luck.

If you want to be treated with respect and work with a solid company, you know where to find us.

If our host or processor makes a mistake, we ask them for compensation. If they dont give us what we want...we leave and take our business elsewhere. I guess other people feel that moving your business is not enough and they need to use slander.

Louis,

You are lying again.

You did not articulate yourself on the phone prior to when I was in the office and could visually see what was in question. I could not understand what could possibly make you so upset. It had to have been something so MAJOR and huge and intentional that I specifically remember saying that I wanted to make things right but I needed to see what was in question. I am sorry...I reffer to it as a ticker, not an applet. When I got in the office and saw the problem and realized how trivial it was, I did my best to make you a solid offer that you flat out rejected. After you took a couple weeks to respond you lost your chance on all of my offers and now you have nothing. All you have done is tell people that I am an asshole, a liar, a cheater and everyother slander under the sun b/c you found an honest mistake on our streams.

Btw...

You were getting an awesome produce all those years. You made a payment and we provided you an awesome product.

this is how you treat someone who paid you 2k a month for 4 years calling him a liar
Not kool at alll