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How do you feel about abortion?

07-14-2005, 09:15 AM

This is a very complicated issue.
But I will say that the only circumstances that I feel a woman should have the option for abortion is in cases of rape or in the case that the mother might not survive the pregnancy (serious health risks)

I remember being in highschool sitting at my desk as a girl was sharing the sonogram of a child she was deciding not to have. She commented that she wasn't going to go thru with it because she wanted to (for lack of the exact phrase) "look good this summer"

It hurt to hear someone talking so uncaring and cold about the life of a yet to be "born" yet still developing child

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07-14-2005, 09:17 AM

Its her body, her choice. As long as she has all the information to make a decision Im not going to get in her way. Unfortunately they dont let that decision go to a man when it comes to circumcision

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07-14-2005, 09:20 AM

you know what man, it is cruel, but some people should not be allowed to procreate.

they're just gonna ruin that child's life, and produce another ignorant, lazy offspring.

kill them all i say. mothers, children, fathers, kill em all.

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07-14-2005, 09:21 AM

Originally posted by TheLegacy

Its her body, her choice. As long as she has all the information to make a decision Im not going to get in her way. Unfortunately they dont let that decision go to a man when it comes to circumcision

BUT

Even though it is her body, if she chooses to have an abortion she'll be destroying another body.

Thats the complication of the issue

*I realize people on 2 different sides of the fence can never see eye to eye on somrthing like this just wanted to participate in the discussion to gain better perspectives.

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07-14-2005, 09:21 AM

I am against it , but I have been through one before.
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07-14-2005, 09:24 AM

I'm sorry i know it a serous discussion but this came to mind right away ..

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07-14-2005, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by Platinum Lantern

I remember being in highschool sitting at my desk as a girl was sharing the sonogram of a child she was deciding not to have. She commented that she wasn't going to go thru with it because she wanted to (for lack of the exact phrase) "look good this summer"

I'm not totally for it, but in this case, by the sounds of it it's better that this dumb bitch doesn't have any kids, at all.

What a stupid comment to make for anyone to make...

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07-14-2005, 09:24 AM

dont like it - but im 100% for freedom of choice.

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07-14-2005, 09:25 AM

#1 I am pro choice.
#2 but with limitations.

what are those limitations?

It should not be used as a means of contraception. Sure one "mistake," yeah I get it. I'm not gonna hold it against someone.

However if you have had more than 1, you need to start evaluating your life. If you have had more than 2, you are seriously fucked in the head. I don't know how destroying what could have become your child could not fuck up your head.

Minors should not be allowed to have abortions without a parent or guardian's signature.
Sorry, you can cry all the bullshit you want to about how some girls will not be able to discuss this with parents, they should have considered that before they got into the situation.

This is what life is about, making hard choices, facing up to consequences, not avoiding them.

You name me one other medical procedure that a minor could have without having any adult sign on for it...name one.

Now with that in mind. If the parent is against the abortion, but the minor wants to have it. Then I believe she should be able to petition family court and a guardian ad litem be appointed for her to ensure that her wishes are met.

I just don't feel children should be able to bypass their parents on such an important issue, regardless of whether or not the parents get to have an impact on the choice in the end.

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07-14-2005, 09:27 AM

this is a very difficult question
i can remember the endless discussion in school about this

im against it except its rape or anything like that.

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07-14-2005, 09:28 AM

Also, I see the point that people are making is that it's doing the children a favor, because they won't grow up in a bad envoriment.

My best friend was adopted, and is a highly intelligent individual, and my life wouldn't have been the same without his input thru the years.

With that said, I feel that adoption should be offered as an alternative to abortions

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07-14-2005, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by Platinum Lantern

With that said, I feel that adoption should be offered as an alternative to abortions

All alternatives should be discussed. The girl should have to seek counseling first, all the alternatives laid out, and then make that decision and if under 18 along with a parent or court appointed guardian.

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07-14-2005, 09:31 AM

I don't have a problem with abortion besides these two things...

1. It being used as birth control. If a woman has three abortions (not rape, incest etc), just freakin' sterilize her.

2. I don't think the MAN has enough say in it. I agree it's a woman's body, but if SHE chooses to have the baby, when the father doesn't want to, it should be HER that raises the baby on her own.

Spare me the "It's his responsibility" comments. It IS his responsibility, but it's ALSO hers. She's the one deciding, sometimes without regard to what the man wants or is capable of taking care of, both emotionally AND financially.

Perhaps some sort of arbitration (I can't believe I'm suggesting ANY legal process here) is best. The man gets a voice, and the woman gets a voice. If the arbitrator decides the man SHOULD be responsible because he's capable, so be it. Then the woman gets the ultimate final choice.

If the arbitrator decided the man ISN'T responsible because he ISN'T capable of support, the women can STILL have the final say on whether or not to keep the baby, but without any financial recourse on the man.
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07-14-2005, 09:36 AM

I am pro choice .. but i wish there was more support for young girls and guys that make this choice. when i was 15 my girlfriend of 2 years got pregnant and we didn't know what to do ... we never told our parents .... we just saved the money and got it done in a shit place. The doctor kept telling her to keep her legs up because she kept moving them.... then he told here "I know you know how to keep your legs up ...that's how you got like this in the first place" This really hurt us both and we had no one to talk to about it. she was sick for days after and to this day i talk to her because we have that bond. i seriously think about that child a lot especially after having 2 kids with my wife ...

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07-14-2005, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by ronaldo

1. It being used as birth control. If a woman has three abortions (not rape, incest etc), just freakin' sterilize her.

I went to school with a girl who is a model now.
She told me she has had 3 abortions in 3 years.
I can't look at a woman the same after hearing that type of thing.

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07-14-2005, 09:37 AM

I wish your mom aborted you Platinum Lantern, that way I would'nt have been scammed out of so much money!!!

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07-14-2005, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by mvega325

I am pro choice .. but i wish there was more support for young girls and guys that make this choice. when i was 15 my girlfriend of 2 years got pregnant and we didn't know what to do ... we never told our parents .... we just saved the money and got it done in a shit place. The doctor kept telling her to keep her legs up because she kept moving them.... then he told here "I know you know how to keep your legs up ...that's how you got like this in the first place" This really hurt us both and we had no one to talk to about it. she was sick for days after and to this day i talk to her because we have that bond. i seriously think about that child a lot especially after having 2 kids with my wife ...

Well as I stated above, children should not be able to do this without parental or guardian consent. And this is exactly why.

You had no advocate during the whole process, you had no emotional, or psychological support.

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07-14-2005, 09:51 AM

yeah.. I'm against it too but in cases like when a woman a has been raped or pregnancy risk.. I may waiver a little.. but as much as possible i am against abortion not only does it kill unborn childre it also endagers the mother as abortion procedures are not safe.. but I do not hate nor condemn those people who have done them..

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07-14-2005, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by eroswebmaster

#1 I am pro choice.
#2 but with limitations.

what are those limitations?

It should not be used as a means of contraception. Sure one "mistake," yeah I get it. I'm not gonna hold it against someone.

However if you have had more than 1, you need to start evaluating your life. If you have had more than 2, you are seriously fucked in the head. I don't know how destroying what could have become your child could not fuck up your head.

Minors should not be allowed to have abortions without a parent or guardian's signature.
Sorry, you can cry all the bullshit you want to about how some girls will not be able to discuss this with parents, they should have considered that before they got into the situation.

This is what life is about, making hard choices, facing up to consequences, not avoiding them.

You name me one other medical procedure that a minor could have without having any adult sign on for it...name one.

Now with that in mind. If the parent is against the abortion, but the minor wants to have it. Then I believe she should be able to petition family court and a guardian ad litem be appointed for her to ensure that her wishes are met.

I just don't feel children should be able to bypass their parents on such an important issue, regardless of whether or not the parents get to have an impact on the choice in the end.

I agree completely. It's not a decision to be taken lightly, but it is a decision that is hers to make.

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07-14-2005, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by Platinum Lantern

I went to school with a girl who is a model now.
She told me she has had 3 abortions in 3 years.
I can't look at a woman the same after hearing that type of thing.

I agree.

Fuck safe or don't. I mean man some people really are retarded.

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07-14-2005, 10:09 AM

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07-14-2005, 10:12 AM

I hate abortion. It's a decision that is overwhelmingly selfish in nature.

That being said, I don't think it should be outlawed. Keep it legal. But let's try to combat the root of the problem. And make those who want one take some educational classes and learn all their options, followed by a counseling session.
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07-14-2005, 10:15 AM

Pro-Abortion, if the mother doesn't want the child then she shouldn't have it. It really is as simple as that. It could be considered a frivelous procedure for someone who's had more than 1, but it's better than having an unwanted child.
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07-14-2005, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by Project-Shadow

Pro-Abortion, if the mother doesn't want the child then she shouldn't have it. It really is as simple as that. It could be considered a frivelous procedure for someone who's had more than 1, but it's better than having an unwanted child.

Now let's make an arguement for Scott Peterson
He didn't want his wife nor the child she was carrying.
He knew that it would be a financial burden to have a divorce.

He decided to be pro choice by aborting his wife and child (so the courts say)

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07-14-2005, 10:27 AM

I'm up close and personal on an almost daily basis with the issue since my wife works for Planned Parenthood (for those of you that don't know, they're a non-profit orginization that does counseling for pregnant women regarding abortion and most of their clinics provide abortion services). The clinic she works at has weekly bomb threats and yesterday (this is an example of the constant harrassment) when they came to work, they found the entire front of the building smeared with human feces. Lots of people we meet in community will have nothing to do with us once they learn that she works at Planned Parenthood.

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07-14-2005, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by Platinum Lantern

Now let's make an arguement for Scott Peterson
He didn't want his wife nor the child she was carrying.
He knew that it would be a financial burden to have a divorce.

He decided to be pro choice by aborting his wife and child (so the courts say)

There's a difference between a psycho killer, and a mother who can't afford the burden/doesn't want the burden of a child. It really depends on how you percieve an unborn baby.

Which is why it's a touchy subject, some people consider the unborn baby a living thing, with feelings etc. I don't.

However, picture someone in her 19-20's, had 2 abortions, got herself pregant again, then decides to go have another abortion to keep her figure.
I do not agree with this train of thought, the woman is a moron. However I still stand by the persons freedom of choice to have an abortion, and do not consider it morally or ethically wrong.
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07-14-2005, 10:33 AM

Originally posted by skinnywussy

Moral of the story: there is nothing crazier than a fanatical Christian.

The whole hypocrisy known as religion just cracks me up.

They preach love and understanding towards your fellow man...so long as you conform to what THEY decide is acceptable. They are the most intolerable group of people on earth.
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07-14-2005, 10:34 AM

human life is no more "special" or "holy" that any other type of life on the planet. Humans are a virus destroying the ecosytem anyhow with over breeding and pollution. Everyone on the planet should just be sterlized anyhow, and any new humans created from all of the races and cultures in test tubes. We should be aborting everthing that doesn't come from a test tube. All races and cultures can be drawn upon to create "super humans" with extraordinary intelligence and health, we have the technology to create and extremely advanced society, so why don't we do it instead of letting the buybull bleaters dictate everything? Abortion is a holy sacrament in my religion. http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/

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07-14-2005, 10:35 AM

Saying no to abortion is like saying no to condoms.

I am all for abortion!
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07-14-2005, 10:37 AM

totally against it....

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07-14-2005, 10:52 AM

I'm against abortion. Except in cases of rape/incest.

I'm a woman, they say it's "our bodies, our choice" ... well, unless we were violated, we had the choice BEFORE we had sex.

Although, I do see the point of saving a child from going through hell being raised by parents or a parent that didn't want them. So I do understand how ending a life before it begins is kinder than forcing a child to possible suffer.

I don't know. I'm torn on this... I agree with smack. It just irritates the hell out of me because unnless it is against a woman's will, she had what should be her one and only choice BEFORE she had sex. This is 2005... there are umpteen contraceptive methods out there. I can't stand the ignorance and carelessness.

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07-14-2005, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by ronaldo

The whole hypocrisy known as religion just cracks me up.

They preach love and understanding towards your fellow man...so long as you conform to what THEY decide is acceptable. They are the most intolerable group of people on earth.

Can I get an AMEN?

Absolutely - just like the freakin popetart that everyone was so in love with: what a great man; tell a country, which is over populated and where AIDS runs rampant, to not wear a condom because every sperm is sacred. Glad you kicked it, yah bastard!

A pathetic cult packed full of mindless drones. Christ died on the cross, not for 'our sins' but rather because he did not want to deal with the crazy ass fanatics he created -- plus, he realized he was either A). a bastard; or 2). the son of a whore who could not remember which clown was JC's pop, cause she was biddy knockin back the cahque.

Every religion is a waste of time and parchment - books packed full of lies, deception and hypocrisies, and let's not forget the fucking weirdos that take the text literally.

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07-14-2005, 11:02 AM

I can't wait for the right wing lunatics to show up and start ranting about how they know what's better for everyone else.

I don't like abortions any more than they do, but wanting to make them illegal just proves how completely ignorant you are. We live in free countries, women have the right to whatever medical treatments they want, get over it and stop trying to tell people what they can and can not do with their bodies.
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07-14-2005, 11:12 AM

damn,this is a heated topic,but i'm sure being in the adult industry,no matter what your beliefs or religion,everyone must agree for the freedom of choice..

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07-14-2005, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by Hollywood Horwitz

damn,this is a heated topic,but i'm sure being in the adult industry,no matter what your beliefs or religion,everyone must agree for the freedom of choice..

Problem is, freedom of choice is being thrown-out the windah.
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07-14-2005, 07:55 PM

Let's try to respect each other's views on this issue, and for me Abortion is murder.
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07-14-2005, 07:58 PM

I believe it's her choice.I also thank god they did..or else I would be a daddy 4 times over

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07-14-2005, 07:58 PM

Im prochoice if you are so against abortion why dont you go and adopt one of the 160,000 kids sitting in foster homes. Save the fetus, once they are born who gives a fuck.
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07-14-2005, 08:00 PM

I am pro choice all the way. It should be the woman's choice. Also abortions are not dangerous as someone stated above. Actually abortions are safter than delivering a baby.
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07-14-2005, 08:00 PM

Prochoice, if she doesnt want it then why have a child who isnt gonna be cared for and loved
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07-14-2005, 09:02 PM

I am and will be always be against it.
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07-14-2005, 09:04 PM

I'm impartial.
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07-14-2005, 09:13 PM

Some good views in this thread... I am pro-choice, though I can see both sides of the debate - I do find it somewhat concerning that it seems to often be men debating this issue - ultimatly it is a womans body and its her choice, a man cannot ever be in the same position or have to undergo the same choices a woman does.. so how can men judge women without understanding their predicament?

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08-12-2005, 12:41 PM

In my point, abortion in any case is a mortal sin.....Imagine yourself being aborted, oh poor!!!!!!!!
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08-12-2005, 12:42 PM

I am for abortion
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08-12-2005, 12:43 PM

Im prochoice
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08-12-2005, 12:43 PM

abortion is absolutly wrong. I do not thing that killing babies is acceptable at all. What the hell is wrong with people that do that? there is always adoption clinics. Hello?
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08-12-2005, 12:44 PM

Fuck if it's her body, she's got another life inside her that has the right to live. I'm pro-life, and am only open to abortion if the mother's life is in danger, then it's still a tough choice.

Even if a woman is raped, she should still have the child because it has a chance to lead a good life just like everyone else.

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08-12-2005, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by Downtime

Even if a woman is raped, she should still have the child because it has a chance to lead a good life just like everyone else.

I'm the most tolerant person around when it comes to other people opinions, but I don't think I've ever disagreed more vehemently with a position than this one.

There is NO way, I would expect ANY woman who was raped and going through therapy (because she would be), to live for the next nine months of her life with a daily reminder of what she went through.

Before you say it wasn't the babies fault, you're right, I agree.

It also wasn't the woman's fault. Yet you're saying watch your belly grow and remember the traumatic experience that you went through. Oh, and have your husband/boyfriend watch your belly grow with a rapist's child too.

Sorry, but I couldn't disagree with any statement more.
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08-12-2005, 01:40 PM

I'm pro choice.

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