Because it gives me the freedom to go after my dreams. I could never understand the need in this business to be seen with hot girls. I have worked in adult for over 20 yrs ,every phase of it from strip clubs to book stores to after hours clubs to jack shacks. The most successful people I have met Money was the motivation not false ego strokes.
Ask them why they needed to make all the money? I know plenty of super Rich guys and its always about pussy as the end result.
who wants to be alone in a big house etc. alone without any Pussy?
Because it gives me the freedom to go after my dreams. I could never understand the need in this business to be seen with hot girls. I have worked in adult for over 20 yrs ,every phase of it from strip clubs to book stores to after hours clubs to jack shacks. The most successful people I have met Money was the motivation not false ego strokes.
then you need to take a lesson from the playboy himself Hef. Why do you think he has 7 hot girls with him all the time?
whats the point of sending two tickets to the smoke and mirrors event when you buy one pass if I am not going to be able to get anyone in the hotel that doesn't have a pass?
You all getting taken for a ride. You lost out this year AVN.
I'm staying home, and so are my girls. Mashed potatos and Gravey.
300.00 bucks. it's is simply comical that anyone would pay this. 80% of the people in attendance don't make 300.00 a month in this business.
You'll be able to find them. They will be lining up for the free bologna sandwiches at your announced lunch time.
Meanwhile the 50 people who do business at the show will have left the site for a nice lunch and a chance to make their evening plans that don't include sticking around the hotel.
And the minute people catch on that it will be cheaper to get the holiday inn one mile north of the westin than purchase badges for girls, it's over. They won't make it back to the westin until 4pm the next day, just in time to shit shower and shave and do it all over again, meanwhile your sponsors are trying to sell their wares to a non qualified lead..........
The shame of it all.
"We are told to let our light shine, and if it does, we won't need to tell anybody it does. Lighthouses don't fire cannons to call attention to their shining- they just shine."
300.00 bucks. it's is simply comical that anyone would pay this. 80% of the people in attendance don't make 300.00 a month in this business.
You'll be able to find them. They will be lining up for the free bologna sandwiches at your announced lunch time.
Meanwhile the 50 people who do business at the show will have left the site for a nice lunch and a chance to make their evening plans that don't include sticking around the hotel.
And the minute people catch on that it will be cheaper to get the holiday inn one mile north of the westin than purchase badges for girls, it's over. They won't make it back to the westin until 4pm the next day, just in time to shit shower and shave and do it all over again, meanwhile your sponsors are trying to sell their wares to a non qualified lead..........
If I have to look at SLEAZY Topless in the pool and that is what is considered EYE CANDY for 3 days. LOL I will be sending you my Therapy Bills for sure.
If I have to look at SLEAZY Topless in the pool and that is what is considered EYE CANDY for 3 days. LOL I will be sending you my Therapy Bills for sure.
again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
I know you are just the messenger but as a Sponsor I have to speak out about this issues.
First of all you have moved this event to a pool side get together instead of a true tradeshow. Personally I think that was a great move, but now that you are going to charge girls $300.00 per to attend you will eliminate a large amount of the eye candy. That webmasters like Roger, LA Mike, JB, might have brought. So now you have a Pool Party
With no girls????????
Let?s think about this in night club terms. You have ladies nights where girls get in free and even drink for free so guys will come. NO GIRLS NO GUYS. AVN should take this same approach where ALL girls get a pink badge and are allowed in FREE. So you loose 30-40 registrations this year because you did not collect on a few girls like Naughty Ally or Vanilla. SO WHAT!!!!! This is going to be nothing compared to the hundreds next year of guy webmasters that don?t come because it was the FLORDIA SASUAGE FEST
MATH QUESTION
How long do you think 600 drunk guys are going to stay at an on site party with no girls before they break into small groups and start heading to South Beach. Now as a sponsor we have lost all that time to NETWORK (why you go to the show to start with)
ANSWER About 1 hr
RESULT: We down size our Staff orr not attend this event next year.
BAD MOVED, but in KB words nobody at AVN is listening to the people they are throwing the show for in the first place?????
Ron Cadwell
CEO
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You all getting taken for a ride. You lost out this year AVN.
I'm staying home, and so are my girls. Mashed potatos and Gravey.
300.00 bucks. it's is simply comical that anyone would pay this. 80% of the people in attendance don't make 300.00 a month in this business.
You'll be able to find them. They will be lining up for the free bologna sandwiches at your announced lunch time.
Meanwhile the 50 people who do business at the show will have left the site for a nice lunch and a chance to make their evening plans that don't include sticking around the hotel.
And the minute people catch on that it will be cheaper to get the holiday inn one mile north of the westin than purchase badges for girls, it's over. They won't make it back to the westin until 4pm the next day, just in time to shit shower and shave and do it all over again, meanwhile your sponsors are trying to sell their wares to a non qualified lead..........
The shame of it all.
that is exactly what is going to happen. especially after the guys get there & see its a big sausage fest, everyone is gonna bail.
im so glad I decided to fly my niece up this summer (the same week as internext) instead of going to Miami's show again. i cant see anything good coming out of this show. i do, however, forecast a train-wreck disaster of a show AND the aftermath is going to be even worse.
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In case you are wondering why AVN's owners don't post here-
maybe this can clarify where their priorities are at-
From Lukeisback.com
AVN Publisher Paul Fishbein Wins ESPN Monday Night Football Package
Source says: I was listening to ESPN Radio this morning. They are doing a charity auction all day to benefit cancer research, They were letting a few of the winners on the air for a minute. The first one I heard was Paul Fishbein from Chatsworth, Calif. He won an ESPN Monday Night Football package... airfare and tickets to the MNF game of his choice. His winning bid was $9500.
He is too busy winning football packages to post on GFY I guess.
LOL
Damn! I was listening to that this morning and got pissed off that the Dan Patrick show wasn't on. That idiot brother of Jimmy V was on the air. I hit the radio in disgust and I missed Mr. AVN.
You all getting taken for a ride. You lost out this year AVN.
I'm staying home, and so are my girls. Mashed potatos and Gravey.
300.00 bucks. it's is simply comical that anyone would pay this. 80% of the people in attendance don't make 300.00 a month in this business.
You'll be able to find them. They will be lining up for the free bologna sandwiches at your announced lunch time.
Meanwhile the 50 people who do business at the show will have left the site for a nice lunch and a chance to make their evening plans that don't include sticking around the hotel.
And the minute people catch on that it will be cheaper to get the holiday inn one mile north of the westin than purchase badges for girls, it's over. They won't make it back to the westin until 4pm the next day, just in time to shit shower and shave and do it all over again, meanwhile your sponsors are trying to sell their wares to a non qualified lead..........
We are cancelling our room tomorrow, was really looking forward to seeing a lot of you people there, but there is no way I am gonna take My wife to a show with even less girls attending than the previous shows.
I am sure you are all aware of the incidents that occured with drunken idiots gropping the wifes/girlfriends of fellow webmasters, oviously with less girls to keep them busy drolling over it will only get worse and I know for a fact if this happens to My wife, I will be the one who ends up in jail.
We are cancelling our room tomorrow, was really looking forward to seeing a lot of you people there, but there is no way I am gonna take My wife to a show with even less girls attending than the previous shows.
We are cancelling our room tomorrow, was really looking forward to seeing a lot of you people there, but there is no way I am gonna take My wife to a show with even less girls attending than the previous shows.
I am sure you are all aware of the incidents that occured with drunken idiots gropping the wifes/girlfriends of fellow webmasters, oviously with less girls to keep them busy drolling over it will only get worse and I know for a fact if this happens to My wife, I will be the one who ends up in jail.
I'm sorry to hear that... I will be there this time, but haven't been the last couple of years. Should I stay home, based on what you're saying?
Until just now I didn't know it was going to be a pool side event.
A pool party with almost all dudes, and those guys are going to dip as soon as they realize it's a sausage fest. LMAO Classic. Good thinking AVN. In case you guys forgot, this industry is all about pussy.
If every webmaster could do that, we wouldn't need to go to the shows, lol.
WG
theres other reasons to go to shows besides picking up girls, picking up girls should be your last priority, but i agree, no one wants to go to a sausage fest.
I decided a long time when AVN first came out with this bullshit that I wasn't going to go to this show. I think it's going to be a disaster.
Sure, the primary reason for the show is about business, but it ain't ALL about business - if it was, why even schedule "parties"? Because we like to PARTY (duh) and who the fuck wants to go to a party with a bunch of dudes? Pass.
I'm certainly not adverse to having "Talent" passes, but how do you determine WHAT is talent? Everyone wants the hot girls by the pool, I'm sure Aly included.
How many people would bring their wives along and simply say they were "Talent" to avoid the $300? A whole bunch of people. I don't agree that wives and woman who really aren't talent should be getting in for free. Legitimate talent? Most definitely.
If there's a solution to that that I missed in this thread, I'd sure love for someone to post it so AVN could see it.
AVN has nothing to gain by charging full badge rates for girls (talent, booth, promo, etc)... and everything to LOSE. Is AVN really worried that they will be overrun with (free) girls eating the free lunches?
It sounds like the unoffical offsite parties will rock because girls can go!
(Please send all VIP party invites to Dirty D!)
We are cancelling our room tomorrow, was really looking forward to seeing a lot of you people there, but there is no way I am gonna take My wife to a show with even less girls attending than the previous shows.
I am sure you are all aware of the incidents that occured with drunken idiots gropping the wifes/girlfriends of fellow webmasters, oviously with less girls to keep them busy drolling over it will only get worse and I know for a fact if this happens to My wife, I will be the one who ends up in jail.
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see?
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It doesn't make sense if AVN doesn't just let the girls in free to a pool party.
hope they are sitting around brainstorming and fix this sausage fest
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I'm certainly not adverse to having "Talent" passes, but how do you determine WHAT is talent? Everyone wants the hot girls by the pool, I'm sure Aly included.
How many people would bring their wives along and simply say they were "Talent" to avoid the $300? A whole bunch of people. I don't agree that wives and woman who really aren't talent should be getting in for free. Legitimate talent? Most definitely.
If there's a solution to that that I missed in this thread, I'd sure love for someone to post it so AVN could see it.
They don't have to be talent if there not there to network they shouldn't have to pay to hang at the pool and hotel..
If they hung out on the showroom floor thats another story. so waht do you tell your wife, honey you can't come out of your room till its dark out.
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What if instead of letting every model in for free, AVN offered a pass to them at a dicounted rate...like $20 a day or $50 for three days. Kind of like a cover charge at a club...That way everyone is happy...or almost happy!
They don't have to be talent if there not there to network they shouldn't have to pay to hang at the pool and hotel..
If they hung out on the showroom floor thats another story. so waht do you tell your wife, honey you can't come out of your room till its dark out.
I certainly agree with that to a point, but how is THAT helping the sponsors giving out free drinks by the pool? They want a return on their investment and their investment would get a LOT deeper if the models just sat by the pool and drank for free for three days. As a guy, it'd be GREAT for me, but I'm also looking at it from the sponsors point of view.
Yes btw, I DO tell my wife to stay in her room until dark. She's more presentable in darker light.
We have to get this fixed. Just think you bring the only 4 girls to the pool. These girls will take one look around and RUN!!!!!!!!!!! Girls love to be in GROUPS. they will not sit at a pool with 800 WEBMASTERS. Now you are out $1200 and you did not even get laid. Roger will be a very grumpy boy and we will have to take him to South Beach to find more, But wait you will have to get a Room in South Beach because you can NOT bring any them back to the hotel without a badge.
What if instead of letting every model in for free, AVN offered a pass to them at a dicounted rate...like $20 a day or $50 for three days. Kind of like a cover charge at a club...That way everyone is happy...or almost happy!
That sounds fine to me because of the free food.
You can't move everyone to a pool party and make people's wives and girlfriends there pay to hang out at the pool and lobby we all paid the hotel for rooms, you see my point?
If its the floor where the booths are then i understand but even then I wouldn't charge for woman but thats just me, Unless they have a site or they are they promoting something.
I certainly agree with that to a point, but how is THAT helping the sponsors giving out free drinks by the pool? They want a return on their investment and their investment would get a LOT deeper if the models just sat by the pool and drank for free for three days. As a guy, it'd be GREAT for me, but I'm also looking at it from the sponsors point of view.
Yes btw, I DO tell my wife to stay in her room until dark. She's more presentable in darker light.
Webmasters will remember your sponsored event alot better if they got laid from it or had a great time
But don't take my word for it. I'm always giving money away to earn there business.
You can't move everyone to a pool party and make people's wives and girlfriends there pay to hang out at the pool and lobby we all paid the hotel for rooms, you see my point?
If its the floor where the booths are then i understand but even then I wouldn't charge for woman but thats just me, Unless they have a site or they are they promoting something.
I just think a little compromise would be good...If I wasn't in the industry and I wanted to go with my man for a little R&R I would hate to pay $300...but at the same time there are free drinks and food so there should be some small admission charge to cover basic costs...
Let's work this out...because I want to see hot chicks at the pool too!
I certainly agree with that to a point, but how is THAT helping the sponsors giving out free drinks by the pool? They want a return on their investment and their investment would get a LOT deeper if the models just sat by the pool and drank for free for three days. As a guy, it'd be GREAT for me, but I'm also looking at it from the sponsors point of view.
Yes btw, I DO tell my wife to stay in her room until dark. She's more presentable in darker light.
I guess the sponsors would be paying to have the girls there ... but that would keep the guys that there trying to do biz with there also .. i can tell ya that if i go out by the pool ... in august ... it's going to be for drinks and eye candy. if it's a bunch of guys I'm going to do my biz and jet .... head out to a place that's hoppin ..
I guess the sponsors would be paying to have the girls there ... but that would keep the guys that there trying to do biz with there also .. i can tell ya that if i go out by the pool ... in august ... it's going to be for drinks and eye candy. if it's a bunch of guys I'm going to do my biz and jet .... head out to a place that's hoppin ..
That's true. I can't really argue with that.
I like the idea of a 3 day pass for $100 for women-with no access to seminars.
I certainly agree with that to a point, but how is THAT helping the sponsors giving out free drinks by the pool? They want a return on their investment and their investment would get a LOT deeper if the models just sat by the pool and drank for free for three days. As a guy, it'd be GREAT for me, but I'm also looking at it from the sponsors point of view.
Yes btw, I DO tell my wife to stay in her room until dark. She's more presentable in darker light.
It helps sopnsors because guys end up staying and talking biz and networking.
I don't hear sponsors bitching about having to do so. They're bitching that IF there are NO girls then webmasters will SPLIT and head to a place where there are.
I just think a little compromise would be good...If I wasn't in the industry and I wanted to go with my man for a little R&R I would hate to pay $300...but at the same time there are free drinks and food so there should be some small admission charge to cover basic costs...
Let's work this out...because I want to see hot chicks at the pool too!
xoxo
If a sponsor is paying for drinks they should get some money if they don't want the models and hot ass drinking for free. then I'll pay for my girls to drink and eat no prob. but to make me pay for them to hang out at the hotel is crazy.
And even if there is free food i already know my girls will bitch and I'll have to take them somewhere nice to eat or I'm hoping some webmasters will take them off my hands and show them a good time .LOL
Aimee you know I'm the last one to bitch but they are going to lose alot of biz if everyone takes off from the hotel. Free girls is a rule for any type of event if you want it to be successful
Ron made some very valid points so what if they lose a few bucks we sponsors always do entertaining clients but it all comes back
If a sponsor pays 10K for a cabana and 10% - 20% of the drinks are going to girls it can be construed as part of their cost of doing business. If not, and 50 - 60% of the guys leave because there are no chicks/eyecandy what's the downside then?
Of course these are arbitrary numbers BUT I think letting girls in might be the lesser of 2 evils.
I just think a little compromise would be good...If I wasn't in the industry and I wanted to go with my man for a little R&R I would hate to pay $300...but at the same time there are free drinks and food so there should be some small admission charge to cover basic costs...
Let's work this out...because I want to see hot chicks at the pool too!
xoxo
I agree!
Aly...please think of the girls in the industry before charging models. It's bad enough that Holly from NakedSword will be looking to score with every single girl in the industry, but now we're going to have to fight off the horny GFY male webmasters with sex toys just to keep them from getting in our pants! Our fronts (and backs) are now being attacked by two nympho forces! This means we are going to have to work mega OT (Obstructing Touch)!
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