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  • Platinumpimp
    Logos and such.
    • Jan 2004
    • 10214
    #1

    Design copycats

    http://www.webinc.com/portfolio/webs...eatymanmovies/

    http://www.illuminatitech.com/xpress...ies/index.html

    http://www.webinc.com/portfolio/websites/sumohentai/

    http://www.illuminatitech.com/xpress...nime/index.htm


    I normally do not make posts like this. But it LOOKS ou guys are trying to copy WebInc work in a bad way...

    Be creative in your own way!

    Looks pretty similar to me....
    I design logo's.
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    • The Truth Hurts
      Zph7YXfjMhg
      • Nov 2002
      • 15776
      #2
      if i had a nickle for every time i've seen a design lifted...
      i'd have a shitload of nickles.

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        • Phat Chips
          Registered User
          • Mar 2004
          • 26
          #3
          Copycats
          SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

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            • Dalai lama
              Strength and Honor
              • Jul 2004
              • 16540
              #4
              Platinumpimp,

              I dont think the toon sites look similair, the design style is different. Webinc has a standard tour design and Illuminatitech uses a long tour.

              I do see something in your first example.

              Could you explain the anime paysite copy?

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                • Serge Litehead
                  Confirmed User
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 5190
                  #5
                  the only similarities i see in the first example similar style effect of the titles, fonts are different, layout different, buttons, background, amount of details
                  on the second only background color pallate is similar.

                  in the legal battle your case wont stand a chance, imo.
                  theyre only similar w/o paying attention to the detail, but obviously other designs were inspired by the originals.

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                    • Platinumpimp
                      Logos and such.
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 10214
                      #6
                      Originally posted by Dalai lama
                      Platinumpimp,

                      I dont think the toon sites look similair, the design style is different. Webinc has a standard tour design and Illuminatitech uses a long tour.

                      I do see something in your first example.

                      Could you explain the anime paysite copy?
                      Look at the orange lining at the top and below the red/shade in the middle. Come on now...

                      There's a difference between copying & ripping :-)
                      I design logo's.

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                        • gopsycho
                          Confirmed User
                          • May 2005
                          • 147
                          #7
                          Originally posted by Dalai lama
                          Platinumpimp,

                          I dont think the toon sites look similair, the design style is different. Webinc has a standard tour design and Illuminatitech uses a long tour.

                          I do see something in your first example.

                          Could you explain the anime paysite copy?
                          I think it's fairly easy to see the similarities in the second example. The colors and bg are very similar. I agree with you that the design is much different, and actually very good. I just don't they had to copy the BG and color scheme.

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                            • DutchTeenCash
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                              • Feb 2003
                              • 21684
                              #8
                              yeah the same hate when ppl do that

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                                • kyleStyler
                                  Registered User
                                  • Jul 2005
                                  • 62
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by gopsycho
                                  I think it's fairly easy to see the similarities in the second example. The colors and bg are very similar. I agree with you that the design is much different, and actually very good. I just don't they had to copy the BG and color scheme.
                                  People sometimes try to do what they want. but people like XpressWebStudio are paid to do someting they don't want. Artist sometimes must follow their client... That's the sad part... But the good part is they tried to make it somehow different...
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                                    • kirstenlara_19
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                                      • Jul 2005
                                      • 431
                                      #10
                                      i would like to inform all of you that the design you saw was specified by our clients... don't ever think that our designers are trying to imitate or rip off their designs... we're just following our clients specifications we didn't consciously made an effort for our designs to look like someone else's designs... we are not aware that kind of design existed... it was purely coincidental...

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                                        • evilnom
                                          Registered User
                                          • Jun 2005
                                          • 4
                                          #11
                                          "good artists get inspiration from other artists, great artists steal from good artists!"-Bill Gates from Pirates of Silicon Valley

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                                            • kyleStyler
                                              Registered User
                                              • Jul 2005
                                              • 62
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by evilnom
                                              "good artists get inspiration from other artists, great artists steal from good artists!"-Bill Gates from Pirates of Silicon Valley
                                              Yeah.... Like Metalica inspires all Metal Rockers now adays...
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                                                • warlock5
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                                                  • Jan 2004
                                                  • 2808
                                                  #13
                                                  Similar, but hardly a rip-off. Its like saying that all the affiliate programs with Cash or Bucks in their name are ripoffs.

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                                                    • The Truth Hurts
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                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                      • 15776
                                                      #14
                                                      if these threads consistently prove one thing, it's that many of you need to have your eyes examined.

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                                                        • angel_x3ws
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Jun 2005
                                                          • 649
                                                          #15
                                                          Thanks to all you guys who stood up for us... It was never our intention to rip off or copy webinc's design.. it was purely coincidental.. we have great respect for webinc.. they have been in this industry longer than us and they have great designs... To the staff of webinc.. we want you to know that we greatly admire your work and we would never ever do such a thing.. we had no idea that those designs we're similar to the ones you have already created as we are not aware of such designs of yours until now.. As for platinumpimp, I wish you would have talked to me personally on icq before attacking us like that..
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                                                            • candyflip
                                                              Carpe Visio
                                                              • Jul 2002
                                                              • 43073
                                                              #16
                                                              And PlatinumPimps logos look nothing like Lukapensa's

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                                                                • pornguy
                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                  • 62910
                                                                  #17
                                                                  The colorss seem to be similar, but other than that they are really not that close. Mainly the second one.
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                                                                    • kyleStyler
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                                                                      • Jul 2005
                                                                      • 62
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Hey Pimp.... Did you really spent your time to research all this? Why?
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                                                                        • lotusmike
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                                                                          • May 2005
                                                                          • 323
                                                                          #19
                                                                          There's so many sites accross the adult spectrum there's bound to be similarites between so many of them. Not to mention the myriads of mom and pop sites all using the same rehashed bulk content.

                                                                          (everyone just trynna make money)

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                                                                            • Young
                                                                              Bland for life
                                                                              • Nov 2004
                                                                              • 10468
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by chris_xws
                                                                              i would like to inform all of you that the design you saw was specified by our clients... don't ever think that our designers are trying to imitate or rip off their designs... we're just following our clients specifications we didn't consciously made an effort for our designs to look like someone else's designs... we are not aware that kind of design existed... it was purely coincidental...
                                                                              So did your client specify that he wanted you to copy the "Meaty Man Movies" color scheme and underlining swoop?

                                                                              Your Interacial Movies Logo was clearly influenced by the Meaty Man Movies. Can I take myself seriously while typing "Meaty Man Movies"?

                                                                              Imagine a lawyer trying to make a case for "Meaty Man Movies" in a court of law.
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                                                                                • Platinumpimp
                                                                                  Logos and such.
                                                                                  • Jan 2004
                                                                                  • 10214
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by kyleStyler
                                                                                  Hey Pimp.... Did you really spent your time to research all this? Why?
                                                                                  I just ran into it. And it's not an attack, but an observation.
                                                                                  I design logo's.

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                                                                                    • Platinumpimp
                                                                                      Logos and such.
                                                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                                                      • 10214
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by candyflip
                                                                                      And PlatinumPimps logos look nothing like Lukapensa's
                                                                                      What are you talking about thief? Still busy ripping fletchxxx his designs? My logo's look nothing like anyone else's.

                                                                                      Fucking tool.

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                                                                                      Last edited by Platinumpimp; 07-11-2005, 10:18 AM.
                                                                                      I design logo's.

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                                                                                        • chodadog
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Apr 2002
                                                                                          • 9736
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          The only similarity between the first two is the logo. The second logo is obviously influenced by the second, but i'd hardly call it a copy.

                                                                                          The only similartiy between the third and fourth design is the colour scheme in the background. It's not exactly the most uncommon colour combination. Probably was influenced by the webinc design, but again, i'd hardly call it a copy.

                                                                                          I can't imagine webinc being particularly annoyed if they saw these designs. Maybe the logo on the first one, but that'd be all.
                                                                                          26 + 6 = 1

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                                                                                            • prezzz
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Jul 2004
                                                                                              • 959
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              You guys wanna see an example of some REALLY bad copycats?

                                                                                              http://www.webinc.com/portfolio/webs...ngin/main.html

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                                                                                                • kyleStyler
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                                                                                                  • Jul 2005
                                                                                                  • 62
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  [QUOTE=Platinumpimp]What are you talking about thief? Still busy ripping fletchxxx his designs? My logo's look nothing like anyone else's.

                                                                                                  Fucking tool.

                                                                                                  Yeah... Like your 3 stripes from Adidas who've been using it for a long time.
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                                                                                                    • candyflip
                                                                                                      Carpe Visio
                                                                                                      • Jul 2002
                                                                                                      • 43073
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Platinumpimp
                                                                                                      What are you talking about thief? Still busy ripping fletchxxx his designs? My logo's look nothing like anyone else's.

                                                                                                      Fucking tool.

                                                                                                      www.adultcreation.com
                                                                                                      Your logos are more similar to Lukapensa's in style and design than the two examples you used to stir up shit here.

                                                                                                      I'll give you this much though, at least you've stopped using other people's licensed images in your designs. Unlike that one you like to bitch about me refusing to pay you for.

                                                                                                      What a blowhard

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                                                                                                        • The Truth Hurts
                                                                                                          Zph7YXfjMhg
                                                                                                          • Nov 2002
                                                                                                          • 15776
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by candyflip
                                                                                                          What a blowhard
                                                                                                          you're clearly an idiot.

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                                                                                                            • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                                                              best designer on GFY
                                                                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                                                                              • 30307
                                                                                                              #28


                                                                                                              KILL EM ALL.

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                                                                                                                • MrLeone
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • Apr 2003
                                                                                                                  • 195
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  I do not really see any similarity other then the colours..
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                                                                                                                    • WebTitan
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                      • 5114
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      hte first one might be similar, not not a ripp off IMHO

                                                                                                                      the second one, not even similar...

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                                                                                                                        • Roald
                                                                                                                          SecretFriends.com
                                                                                                                          • May 2001
                                                                                                                          • 27910
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by AlienQ


                                                                                                                          KILL EM ALL.

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                                                                                                                            • Platinumpimp
                                                                                                                              Logos and such.
                                                                                                                              • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                              • 10214
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by candyflip
                                                                                                                              Your logos are more similar to Lukapensa's in style and design than the two examples you used to stir up shit here.

                                                                                                                              I'll give you this much though, at least you've stopped using other people's licensed images in your designs. Unlike that one you like to bitch about me refusing to pay you for.

                                                                                                                              What a blowhard
                                                                                                                              Ok proven thief. Don't waste your time in this thread, you could be stealing more gallery designs in the time being.
                                                                                                                              I design logo's.

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                                                                                                                                • candyflip
                                                                                                                                  Carpe Visio
                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 43073
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
                                                                                                                                  you're clearly an idiot.

                                                                                                                                  Thankfully, I'm not the only one in the thread thinking the same way.

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                                                                                                                                    • Platinumpimp
                                                                                                                                      Logos and such.
                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                      • 10214
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by QuaShe
                                                                                                                                      STOP SPAMMING YOU BUM!

                                                                                                                                      Nice and fluffy shoes
                                                                                                                                      I design logo's.

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                                                                                                                                        • candyflip
                                                                                                                                          Carpe Visio
                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                          • 43073
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Platinumpimp
                                                                                                                                          Ok proven thief. Don't waste your time in this thread, you could be stealing more gallery designs in the time being.
                                                                                                                                          I've proven you to be a thief as well.

                                                                                                                                          Did you own the license to the VW image in the logo you tried to pawn off on me? Didn't think so.

                                                                                                                                          Spend you some brain.
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                                                                                                                                            • kyleStyler
                                                                                                                                              Registered User
                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2005
                                                                                                                                              • 62
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Artists are not supermen. See, everyday we walk on the steets and when we see some thing yhat look cool we are inspired by that and some how we copy it... Like you PlatinumPimp'ie....
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                                                                                                                                                • Platinumpimp
                                                                                                                                                  Logos and such.
                                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                                  • 10214
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by kyleStyler
                                                                                                                                                  Artists are not supermen. See, everyday we walk on the steets and when we see some thing yhat look cool we are inspired by that and some how we copy it... Like you PlatinumPimp'ie....
                                                                                                                                                  I think you are forgetting the term "creativy" somewhere along the lines.
                                                                                                                                                  I design logo's.

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                                                                                                                                                    • Platinumpimp
                                                                                                                                                      Logos and such.
                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                                      • 10214
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by candyflip
                                                                                                                                                      I've proven you to be a thief as well.

                                                                                                                                                      Did you own the license to the VW image in the logo you tried to pawn off on me? Didn't think so.
                                                                                                                                                      You asked me to find a volkswagen and put it in there idiot. Besides, you didn't pay so it was never used commercially, tool. Later on we would have discussed licensing that pic. It was an idea.

                                                                                                                                                      This is like what, 2 years ago now?
                                                                                                                                                      I design logo's.

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                                                                                                                                                        • kyleStyler
                                                                                                                                                          Registered User
                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2005
                                                                                                                                                          • 62
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Platinumpimp
                                                                                                                                                          I think you are forgetting the term "creativy" somewhere along the lines.
                                                                                                                                                          Every creation have it's basis or a reason why it was created. Like the WMP skin of Terminator3 and AlienGuise. Like Ford and Chevi... You don't know who copied but in coincidence they have the same inspiration.
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                                                                                                                                                            • Platinumpimp
                                                                                                                                                              Logos and such.
                                                                                                                                                              • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                                              • 10214
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by kyleStyler
                                                                                                                                                              Every creation have it's basis or a reason why it was created. Like the WMP skin of Terminator3 and AlienGuise. Like Ford and Chevi... You don't know who copied but in coincidence they have the same inspiration.
                                                                                                                                                              I design logo's.

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                                                                                                                                                                • sexxxydesign.com
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                                  • 1281
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  IMHO there is only so much designers can do in this industry, eventually designs will start to look like each other more and more... lately i'v seen a lot of mainstream design looking more and more like templatemonster.com.. but i guess thats the way things stand now.. also the adult design is is very restrictive in what you can do and what you cant.. so its inevitable that designs will look similar.. maybe the people paying should ask for more innovative designs

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                                                                                                                                                                    • kyleStyler
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2005
                                                                                                                                                                      • 62
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by xxxeneizexxx
                                                                                                                                                                      IMHO there is only so much designers can do in this industry, eventually designs will start to look like each other more and more... lately i'v seen a lot of mainstream design looking more and more like templatemonster.com.. but i guess thats the way things stand now.. also the adult design is is very restrictive in what you can do and what you cant.. so its inevitable that designs will look similar.. maybe the people paying should ask for more innovative designs
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                                                                                                                                                                        • kirstenlara_19
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2005
                                                                                                                                                                          • 431
                                                                                                                                                                          #43

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                                                                                                                                                                            • candyflip
                                                                                                                                                                              Carpe Visio
                                                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                                              • 43073
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Platinumpimp
                                                                                                                                                                              You asked me to find a volkswagen and put it in there idiot. Besides, you didn't pay so it was never used commercially, tool. Later on we would have discussed licensing that pic. It was an idea.

                                                                                                                                                                              This is like what, 2 years ago now?
                                                                                                                                                                              Good cover story.

                                                                                                                                                                              And my beef with Fletch is going on how old now?

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                                                                                                                                                                                • BigRod
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2005
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                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Every design is a variation of another... I dont't remeber the last time I saw a truely unique design.
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • kyleStyler
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 62
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      And here..... as one of us said it..."We all are trying to make money" Clients are the masters... What they want must be done.... copied or fresh idea...
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • micke
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2004
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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          And people had the guts to call mine a copy!
                                                                                                                                                                                          Can´t wait to hear what sextoyking has to say about this ;))

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • The Truth Hurts
                                                                                                                                                                                              Zph7YXfjMhg
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 15776
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by micke
                                                                                                                                                                                              And people had the guts to call mine a copy!
                                                                                                                                                                                              Can´t wait to hear what sextoyking has to say about this ;))
                                                                                                                                                                                              didn't you come right out and ADMIT yours was a copy?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • micke
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2004
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
                                                                                                                                                                                                  didn't you come right out and ADMIT yours was a copy?
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yeah, my BIGGEST mistake in that circus was not that i asked if it was ok. (i know, what the hell was i thinking) and not that i used the same kind of yellow lines! It was to call it an "exact copy" in that fuc... email i sent them, cause it was not ! I admit that it was wrong (very wrong), but it was not an exact copy, next time i send someone an email i will choose my words ! ;))

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Paco, of Large Cash.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      With the earth's population = 6 536 243 250+; who is arrogant enough to think they are the first to conceive a thought?

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