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i wasnt. i just moved into a new place last week so i was unpacking. the boyfriend was watching something before Oprah & he left to go somewhere so Oprah was the next thing to come on.Originally posted by chymp
i sat down to take a break & thats when i heard about the porn thing.
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i'm gonna bump this - i think a few more rational, heartfelt emails and faxes to oprah couldn't hurt. no matter what you think of her show, she influences a lot of "normal" americans.Got Gay and For Women Traffic?
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Ive always hated that bitch. I just sent her some hate mail telling her what a biggot and big fat hahahaha she is.Comment
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OK sent finally...Comment
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No they will never see it. And I hope that you are ready and willing to get your self on that show. Because that e-mailvery well may get you there.PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic
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I doubt very seriously that much of our biz comes from Oprah viewers..I think we are pretty safe.Rod Macdonald
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You got the right idea but... the wrong person. No offense intended but Joan is not a pornographer. She works and his the front for ASACP. I admire the efforts that ASACP does for our industry but Oprah took a shot at US pornographers right?Originally posted by ATKCash
Did Joan ever shoot porn or have porn shot for one of her sites?
Send a person in the likes of the Steve lightspeed or Jim Holio or someone that is DIRECTLY involved in porn production and website production should be our voice in that matter.
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I think ASACP has ALREADY overstepped their mandate. I don't think we should authorize Joan or ASACP to speak again for OUR INDUSTRY, especially after their FUCKED UP handling of the .xxx issue. If we want a committee to speak on our behalf, then lets ELECT one.Originally posted by ATKCash
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"just plain wrong"Originally posted by jawanda
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oprah viewers are wives who influence husbands, mothers who raise the next generation of adult men.
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I think Oprah's comments reflect the general perception of who and what pornography is. Ignorance is not hypocrisy. She doesn't know any better... just like most people who don't know the biz from the inside out.
And, for people who don't know any better, it all falls under the same misleading category of "pornography".
The exploitation of children in sexual acts in NOT legitimate pornography. But since we persist in calling it cp, since we attach that label of "pornography" to what is really child obscenity or child exploitation.... how can anyone who doesn't know any better be blamed for lumping it all into one category.
We have the power to choose our words and the words that represent us, as an industry. Distancing ourselves from cp won't happen as long as we're attached by the same label.
More of my semantic rant is in this thread started by baddog: Taking the pornography out of CP/KPSexyScribe.com - Erotica Story Content - Adult Words for Adult Sites
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Originally posted by Lightspeed
I have to say, it scares me to think of Joan getting on National TV on "our" behalf.
Last time see made a comment it was apparently taken out of context and now people think we want .xxx.
Sorry, but I have lost a lot of confidence in her ability to think on her feet.Comment
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I don't know all the drama background between the ASACP, HOWEVER.....I will say, speaking as a demographic Oprah wants to appeal to, Joan will be someone the viewers listen to. A young male isn't going to do it. A young female content babe isn't going to do it either. A middle aged "normal" looking female will get the point across much better, IMHO.
That said, perhaps we could agree on what should and shouldn't be said by our "reprentation"?Comment
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anytime someone "speaks for a group" things will go completely wrong.Originally posted by baddog
no one person can speak for a multitude.
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I came up with this exact analogy about 3 weeks ago explaining it to someone.. it really works i think.Originally posted by PleasurepaysComment
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Oprah sucks donkey balls, I can't think of anybody on TV that iritates me moreComment
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Originally posted by baddog
why not send in Rob Black wrapped in the american flag (which is how he posed for an AVN article)?
maybe the issue here, is that joan can represent that part of the adult biz that are ASACP members.. much like FSC is representing only its members on issues ... who happen to be in the adult biz.
so all those that are not members of ASACP or FSC can form their own group.. oh wait, there already is one, its called APATHY.
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in order to be "represented" you have to have a formalized group.Originally posted by Peaches
Michelle freridge "represents" the interests of FSC members.
Joan "represents" the interests of ASACP members.
If you think that FSC would be better at "representing" the adult biz on CP issues, then join FSC and at their next member meeting, propose such a thing, and have some "elected" committee that does whatever you want them to "represent".. so whoemever is elected to be the "face" and "voice' of FSC can do so.. any volunteers?
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Originally posted by JMan
FYI, Michelle Freridge, Executive Director of FSC, is not a pornographer, and to my knowledge, has never shot porn or for porn and comes from mainstream.
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Ya forgot one FTP.
.XXX proposes all the above with proposed regulation.
I am starting to see the bigger picture about the Adult NET Organizations and there oppostion to .XXX.
.XXX would eliminate alot of fund raising opportunities while imposing self regulation on .XXX domain owners.
Now I understand why the hatred has erupted about .XXX from some of the NET's factions. Its going to take money out of there fundraising pockets.
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Originally posted by AlienQ
the difference, is that the people who would be doing the "regulating" would be a board of 7 people, only one of who would be from the adult biz. this is not self-regulation, it's imposed regulation.
.XXX would not eliminate funding to other organizations.. IFFOR/ICM won't challenge 2257, it won't tackle DOJ, won't fight to stop CP.... it's ony purpose is to regulate the adult biz by external/outsider means....
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"Imposed Regulation"Originally posted by FightThisPatent Nice dark word. What you call "Imposed Regulation", I would call "Needed Regulation".
No it would not eliminate other organisations infact...
Said organisations above may apply for funds from the .XXX registry and recieve.
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Heya Steve... last time Americans elected an official to represent them, look where it got Americans.Originally posted by Lightspeed
If the adult industry elected a representative, you can bet that dissention and disagreement would be just as common as it is among Americans with respect to their elected leader(s).
A Porn President (pornsident? porntiff?) wouldn't necessarily make the entire industry happy with their actions, either.
Oprah equated "pornography" (read: adult sites) with "child pornography," so what more APPLICABLE organization to speak on that issue than Adult Sites Advocating Child Protection?
Besides, there'd be an endless recount in Florida.
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Pornography is Illegal.
Adult Entertainment is legal
Maybe Oprah should understand the basics first.
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lack of understanding breeds fear
im warmed to see all the support coming in though - I hope it isn't ignored and it would be awesome to see ASACP go on the show I just hope it doesn't get turned into a wacky porn circus to increase ratings.Comment
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Eep, correction: Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection.Comment
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she's a rich bitch...that's all
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do some google searches on the things that US. Attorney General Gonzalez has been saying (unfavorably) about porn and obscenity. note, his name has also been mentioned to be a possible candidate for the supreme court.Originally posted by AlienQ
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for starters, read this AVNonline article on him:
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Well we can probably all agree Gonzales is bad.
I been following that.
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Originally posted by FightThisPatent
If I had my say I'd vote to send you Brandon.
Btw of everyone that has emailed Oprah has anyone mentioned our Tsunami Relief auction? I believe we (as an industry) raised $250,000+ for the tsunami victims.Comment
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Yeah click the link I posted...Originally posted by shapIf I had my say I'd vote to send you Brandon.
Btw of everyone that has emailed Oprah has anyone mentioned our Tsunami Relief auction? I believe we (as an industry) raised $250,000+ for the tsunami victims.Comment
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there is no such thing as "child porn", "child obscenity" or (sexual) "child exploitation"; it's *all* Child Rape, plain and simple, the wording is crucial and something that needs to be well understood by anyone who goes in front of the public.
If the only argument against Joan is that she was misunderstood on an issue, or, god forbid, made a mistake; running a large organization with a heated industry on one side and a heated topic on the other, that would be reason to be proud of her. If anyone is able to get such a platform as time on Oprah's show, they would be naive as hell to "represent" this industry. That would simply be hanging a target on themselves unnecessarily that any orator worth their salt would be able to exploit easily to run the clock, force defense on their opponent and mostly to precluding offence, which is the stand that should be taken.
Keep it about the children. Oprah?s ugliest crime here is to dilute the issue of Child Rape by even calling it "porn", look up the definition yourself. I would much rather see Joan or Brandon than Steve. No offence Steve, I hear you're a great guy but you would simply be too easy a target, as would many of us, perhaps myself included. There are also some other serious issues but that goes beyond the scope of this discussion. Besides, that all works itself out in the end, and since it hasn?t worked itself out yet?.it?s not the end.Comment
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He will never got it.Originally posted by FightThisPatent
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Originally posted by FightThisPatent
Unfortunately, her comments on behalf of ASACP have (and will) be interpreted as being representative of the industry as a whole.
Look what happened with her applauding .xxx. Supposedly, it was not even the opinion of ASACP and her letter was interpreted as being the voice of the industry when it wasn't even supposed to be the opinion of ASACP.Comment
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BTW, I second the motion that Brandon appear on Oprah . . . maybe get some jungle fever going on.
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so just how the hell did Ophra "the mad cow" Winfrey get confused as someone with a normal and well functioning brain?
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Originally posted by baddogBTW, I second the motion that Brandon appear on Oprah . . . maybe get some jungle fever going on.
ya need to take off your multi-colored glasses, i ain't a honky.
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I saw a similar show a couple years or so ago... Girl was like 12, uncle was the photographer and Oprah pretty well unleashed herself on the uncle and told the girl she needed to stop it because it was just old men that watched her.... yada yada....
I don't like her ignorance when it come to adult related stuff, she really hasn't a clue in that department, so she really needs to refrain from voicing her views on the matter... which will never happen..Comment
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