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Wanna know why I think you are a arrogant egomaniac? Well for starters we talked on the phone years ago, and on icq. You were one of the first people to buy traffic from me actually. I still have high respect for what you have accomplished in this business. You are a old timer that has evolved and not sat on his ass like Burger boy. Anywho since talking to you years ago I have icqed you a few times, always with no reply. the last time I icqed you it was asking you why you dissed me so bad. Again no reply. Where did you diss me? Search the old threads on AWI board. You posted one of my sites and made fun of it, saying how this is not how you make money, this is shit and shows no imagination at all and does not make any money, blah blah blah. What I wanted to say was that I have a thousand of those sites that each make $1 a day with ABSOLUTELY no work involved. Now do the math Einstein.Originally posted by shapHey Choker what's up? I just had to reply to this one. I'm not going to comment on how zilla was run before I took it over. I respect Nelvac and Zilla and they ran it the way they felt was right. I made changes when we picked it up and the site is doing fantastic. So I can't complain
Now here is where i have to comment.
Shap is a bit of a arrogant egomaniac
I know I'm many things but an arrogant egomaniac is not one of them. I whine and bitch alot and at times i may be an outspoken asshole prick. But I'm not an arrogant egomaniac. At least I don't think so and I've never heard anybody else say that about me.
I know you think I dislike you and I have it out for you. I honestly don't. In fact quite the opposite. The few times I've posted in your threads I tried to give you advice because I have been involved in similar situations as yourself. I'm also outspoken and sometimes I speak/write before I think and get myself into trouble. I tried to offer advice to you in those threads. I don't think you are a bad guy. I like how you run your business. I just see how your posts don't always help you out and can be often misinterpreted by people.
I've asked quite a few times for your contact info because I want to do business with you. Two of the people I respect more than just about anyone in this biz have spoken highly of you. Dameian from Caughtnude and J99 from pinkteenseries who is now part of the Twistys/Zilla CREW! I've also always respected how you've built up your business and the ideas you try. In fact I've watched you closely because I feel alot of your ideas are very good.
Anyhow that's all i had to say about that. I've wanted to get in touch with you for some time. With him on board it is definitely only a matter of time before we do some good business together.
First of all I would never post a url of someone's site making fun of it like you did. Not unless they ripped me off or something like that. And I sure as hell would first check who's site it was before I posted it and made fun of it. but that's ok, I held my tounge out of respect for you. I was not going to get in a pissing fight with you on AWI, GFY sure, but not AWI. Do I hold a grudge because you made fun of my shit? Nah, I just think you are a arrogant egomaniac. Pointing out your "greatness" by slamming someone elses shit is pretty childish. Don't you agree?
I said I would be totally honest in this interview and I am trying my best. Saying you are a "arrogant egomaniac" is not all that bad, hell I am "arroagant egomaniac" myself. Burger Boy is the biggest one I know.ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466
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damn dude...my wife and I specifically go out and find videos of girls we know that we have worked with...just cause we know them, it makes it hotterOriginally posted by shapI disagree on this. I think because I know what goes on behind the scenes for our content. First, the girls really aren't that hot without makeup and photoshop. Second, there are alot of girls that are a pain in the ass to deal with and as a result the thought and sight of these girls is anything but a turn on. And Third my wife would cut off my balls and feed them to me if she caught me wanking to Twistys
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Damien and J99 are both inspirations to me. Great people to work with. As far as contacting me my icq is 116894466 As far as business together, I never let my personal feelings get involved. Hell I would even sell Burger Boy some chinese hits to boost up his trades if he asked. As far as twistys goes I always have lots of active orders from your affiliates buying traffic to the various galleries and tour pages. Only problem is that I require a minimum of 15 pics on galleries and I think most of yours are much less than thatOriginally posted by shapI've asked quite a few times for your contact info because I want to do business with you. Two of the people I respect more than just about anyone in this biz have spoken highly of you. Dameian from Caughtnude and J99 from pinkteenseries who is now part of the Twistys/Zilla CREW! I've also always respected how you've built up your business and the ideas you try. In fact I've watched you closely because I feel alot of your ideas are very good.
Anyhow that's all i had to say about that. I've wanted to get in touch with you for some time. With him on board it is definitely only a matter of time before we do some good business together.ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466
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Hey dude. This makes a whole lot of sense. I totally remember 90% of what you just said. I don't remember talking on the phone.Originally posted by Choker
Let me address the issues you mentioned.
1. not replying to icq. About 3 years ago my 7693964 icq stopped running smoothly. I had so many contacts and bs on there i just stopped using it completely. I only use 122636930. That's why you never got a reply. Sorry about that.
2. about knocking your site. Did i do it? You bet. I remember the thread. I was knocking the directions TGPs were headed in. I felt (and still feel) that too many tgps were becoming cookie cutter sites. You had a formula with what you did. Mike and Peter from Tiava/Searchgals have a formula to what they do. Most people that have copied your layout and his have absolutely no formula and are just lowering the overall quality. You guys are both very successful and it works for you and that's great. I was commenting on how just copying that type of site will not work. Copying a site like that without a formula is a waste of time. The same way trying to start a high quality site without a formula is a waste of time. In that thread I believe i spoke highly of sites like CaughtNude.com AlmightyZeus.com BigBreastLovers.com basically sites with less traffic but make really great money because they are so high quality and surfer driven. I was trying to inspire a few people to actually sit down and try to put together a quality site instead of ripping off other people's layouts and trying to do it the easy way.
I said it in my ambush and I'll say it again, I believe that tgps have made little to no progress over the past few years. The industry has made some huge jumps forward (especially paysites) and yet free sites are the same today as they were 3 years ago. It's sad.Comment
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Allow me to climb up onto my tiny seldom used soapbox for a second:
Shap is a brand marketer. Choker is a mass marketer. These two will typically look at the same site in drastically different ways. However, both Choker and Shap areforward thinking, bold and outspoken individuals who champion honesty and innovation in business.
A perfect mix of opposite attraction and common traits? Hmmm....
A heartfelt "Sorry" goes out to all of the 19 year old 90lb UCF students who enjoy a good anal shellacking followed by a nice tossed salad. Equal condolences go out to Shapette.
This can be nothing but true love.
Ok, ok, back to my rum....Comment
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I have to agree with you there Shap, hopefully TGP site owners will see the light soonOriginally posted by shap
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YEAH BABYOriginally posted by Choker
This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
Now read without the word dog.Comment
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The magnitude of self-loathing going on in this thread is off the chart...A Weight Watchers Anonymous meeting has more people who are genuinely happy with themselves lol...
This is a train wreck I just can't turn away from.
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There have been small advances. the FHG, script improvements and the increase in thumbs(plus the tech to highlight the most clicked etc). It is hard to tell tehm to imrpove, innovate etc when the biggest and best are the same for the last 10 years and making huge bank.Originally posted by shapComment
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Did someone say something about "Loathing" ???
GONZO: I hate to say this, but this place is getting to me. I think I'm getting The Fear.
DUKE: Nonsense. We came here to find the American Dream, and now we're right in the vortex you want to quit. You must realize that we've found the Main Nerve.
GONZO: That's what gives me The Fear.
DUKE: Look over there. Two women fucking a Polar Bear.
GONZO: Please, don't tell me those things... Not now. (signals the waitress for two Wild Turkeys)Comment
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Oh jesus. Someone take Dameian's rum away NOW.Comment
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I thought you went to bed for the night Big Boi? What happend? Did Shapette end up actually cutting your balls off?
I'm slummin' it tonight. I'm currently enjoying a 2 year old Cruzan Estate Dark Rum? & Diet Vanilla Coke?.
I need chYmp to send me another bottle of the Zaya so I can step back up to the high class ;)Comment
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I will send you as many bottles of Zaya as you can wolf down if you can get my cam sales back to where they were before you had to remove the huge shemale cocks to become 2257 compliant.
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LOLOriginally posted by chympI will send you as many bottles of Zaya as you can wolf down if you can get my cam sales back to where they were before you had to remove the huge shemale cocks to become 2257 compliant.
What can I say to that? It may be worth the jail time...Comment
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great interview!...Comment
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very interesting espacially the dicotomy of shap (quality) vs Choker (quantity) I believe both methods produce great results and admire both types of marketing.Comment
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Originally posted by LegendaryLars
And let me guess, in your professional opinion you feel they should both be sending a little more traffic to Cams.com/AFF???
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Exactly my point, although I don't think 99% of the webmasters who read this will actually get that. Both methods are proven winners, but are inherently at odds with each other. Blah blah blah... You're one person I definitely know I DO NOT need to explain this to ;)Comment
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Originally posted by Mack
Well ya know I take quality and quantity traffic and i convert both !
and I will look at siri again.
But XMSR looks cheaper to me
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I have been having this argument for 10 years !Originally posted by Dameian
Rick Kid Slick and I used to argue he liked quality I liked quantity.
we have both made good $$ over the years.
on the free site side of things quality won over quantity in the end though as my free sites kinda died out. while others soared. Karups is a good example of quality winning out, in the pay site side of things and I thinkShap also does a wonderful job in this area. Nowdays I try to offer a quality service to my surfers and keep them happy. I think AFF also does this and does it very veyr well. I look forward to the next few years its gonna be fun !Comment
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I've been saying it for 7.5 years. Considering our age difference, I'd say I meet the handicap for the course.Originally posted by LegendaryLars
You've got your quality based brand marketers: Karups, ATK (my most recent alma mater), Scoreland (my very close friend and much admired big bad billiards man David Uwate), Shap (no introduction needed), FarL (Homegrown), MET Art, Hegre, FTV, Simon Scans, Abby Winters, Explicite, etc, etc, etc......
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Your QUANTITY based marketers: Xpics (the oldskool I graduated from along with Shap and even AlienQ... where we learned right from wrong very explicitly), Click Cash (which I still make an ASSLOAD of money with... sorry CAMS.COM), CE (another skool I attended - my hat still goes off to Ron. Regardless of what the haters say, this is one of the most intelligent men in this industry), MAX Cash, TCG, etc, etc, etc...
In the end it's a wash. One marketing strategy is no more profitable than the other, However, given my personal experience, I tend to stick with quality over the quantity because there is a greater chance of longevity based on factors such as consumer satisfaction, personal referrals, loyalty, and brand preference.
But to each their own. The industry is certainly as open to both schools of thought as it ever has been.
All I want to know is this: When is Shap and Choker gonna GET IT ON!!!!!!!Comment
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Hey Choker you missed question 23!exgfmovies.com, exgfclips.com, datesx.com, gayboards.com and more!Comment
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When Shap and Choker get it on I will pay you not to send me those photos, Dameian.Comment
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why can't a quality site like a Twistys do all the stuff an ARS does to turn the extra income and hit both sides of that fence?
I like nastydollars sites and they do crosssales, popups and other of revenue generating things that some old skoolers look down on and have quality members areas.
^ totally possible the above comments are stupid but please inform if this is true.Comment
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I apologize for typos in advance. I am writing this @ 3 AM and wildly drunk.Originally posted by slapass
Your comments are NOT stupid. The ND boys have their content squared away, regardless of their free area marketing strategies. Their members are more than compensated for the cost fo their memberships with high quality, original content. This si the model we should ALL be striving for, regardless of niche.
They CAN, but seldom will. Why Because it is at odds with the whole concept of quality vs. quantity. I used to be the marketing director for ATK and being a consumer oriented company, we certainly made sure we backed away from anything that might turn off a customer. There are very, very, VERY few sites online that have as much content as atk. From my persona observations, it seems as though there is a direct relationship between those who tend to over-exploit the consumer and those who do not have quality content. Those who tend to cater to the surfer and offer a higher level if user experience tend to be less willing to exploit the consumer when they visit their free areas. The theory behind this is quite simple: If someone is willing to bookmak your site, then odds are they are willing to join eventually. All you have to do is give them the right trigger. Once you hook them on your content, and then show them something they simply can not live withour seeing more of, they WILL join. Unless they are chinese ;) No offense Choker... as you well know ;)Comment
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Thank you. I totally agree
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fucking post nazis.... I tried to edit my post for typographical errors, but it said I only had 3 minutes to do so. Fuck this god damn place. HERE is what I wanted to say... edited version. This is exactly why I never post at GFY and could give a flat fuck about it. 3 minute limit on edits? What is this? A fucking Nazi regime? Anyway...
I apologize for typos in advance. I am writing this @ 3 AM and wildly drunk.Originally posted by slapass
Your comments are NOT stupid. The ND boys have their content squared away, regardless of their free area marketing strategies. Their members are more than compensated for the cost of their memberships with high quality, original content. This is the model we should ALL be striving for, regardless of niche.
They CAN, but seldom will. Why Because it is at odds with the whole concept of quality vs. quantity. I used to be the marketing director for ATK and being a consumer oriented company, we certainly made sure we backed away from anything that might turn off a customer. There are very, very, VERY few sites online that have as much content as atk. From my personal observations, it seems as though there is a direct relationship between those who tend to over-exploit the consumer and those who do not have quality content. Those who tend to cater to the surfer and offer a higher level of user experience tend to be less willing to exploit the consumer when they visit their free areas. The theory behind this is quite simple: If someone is willing to bookmak your site, then odds are they are willing to eventually join. All you have to do is give them the right personal catalyst to become a member. Once you hook them on your content, and then show them something they simply can not live without seeing more of, they WILL join. Unless they are chinese ;) No offense Choker... as you well know ;)
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Very intresting indeed, and Lars and Damian,keep up the good advices
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This ambush was awesome !
Choker laid it all out just like I thought he would !
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Enjoying the Sleazy and Choker love fest...
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These top page attempts are fucking funny shit, keep them coming, woj is the man for top of the page.....
Originally posted by wojI'm sure you will get plenty more chances to try for the top of the page in this thread...
You can get it ploughing a paddock, you can get it makin some porn sites, matter of fact I've got it now.
For a hard earned thrist, you need a big cold beer.Comment
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I think everyone who pursues traffic would agree with that. Thanks.Originally posted by Dameian
CONTENT IS KING.
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Thanks Shap....your webmaster page was a big inspiration and help for me when I started in this bizz. I've read it a couple of times heheOriginally posted by shap
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25. Who is your favortie processor, content company, programer, convention, hosting company, broker, etc and your least favorite.
Boring questions but ok
ccbill,epoch,MVC
hosting I like Candid, phatservers
Broker? myself of course
Content? they're all good as long as they are cheap and have the right docsICQ me lets make a deal 116894466
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26. What's your thoughts on the people who put fake traffic into your system?
Lets talk about fake traffic in your system first. You use no scripts, plain html pages with no way to know what a surfer is clicking on on your site. You probably use Webalizer for stats. How would you know if you had fake traffic or not? You wouldn't. A 14 year old could code a bot and hit you with it and you would never know. Your only assurance that you have all real traffic is the "integrity of your trades" LOL, give me a fucking break. You are ONLY guessing what your trades traffic quality is, you add and delete trades based on what others tell you about sites. Maybe this explains your wildly swinging traffic levels ? http://newstats.sextracker.com/st?sk...geT=1049155200
I would be willing to bet that 30 to 50% of the traffic at sleazydream.com is fake. Sleazy can't prove me right or wrong since he has no way to tell.ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466
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Originally posted by Choker
You're a good fatherOriginally posted by Choker
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A question to Shap: Why would anyone with these grandfather tgp's want to change? It worked with them so far.. why not keep it constant?Someone finds you...
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Originally posted by Choker I had to go outside to keep from waking the kid up from laughing so hard.
Funniest story I have heard in a while.Comment
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Originally posted by Choker
And we all know how reliable ICQ is.Comment
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I think many companies don't follow this strategy because of cost. They figure why pore tons of money into having tons of super high quality content for a handful of sites, updated continuously when you could probably make just as much opening more sites covering more niches with not as much content in each site, with fewer updates. In doing so they lessen their overhead and increase net at the end of the day.Originally posted by Dameian
Which of the two models generates the higher net revenue "wins" in a strictly business sense. In the end it probably evens out like you said.Last edited by Drake; 07-09-2005, 08:04 AM.Comment
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Whos DH?Originally posted by DrinkingLightI have to agree with you there Shap, hopefully TGP site owners will see the light soon
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26. What's your thoughts on the people who put fake traffic into your system?
We do what we can to combat this. We are constantly finding new ways to stop new methods of cheating. I keep on top of this as best I can. One of the most helpfull tools is the way I let buyers rate niches of traffic. High tech methods we have tons of , but the old method of people reporting suspicous traffic is still the best tool.ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466
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27. Do you have a criminal record? arrested? convicted? passport? Discuss
many times when I was a kid for partying, etc as a adult about 15 years ago I passed a bad check and got arrested for it, pleaded no contest. That's it. 1 traffic ticket in the last 15 years, I fought it but lost. That really pissed me off so much because I really was innocent.Last edited by Choker; 07-09-2005, 09:38 AM.ICQ me lets make a deal 116894466
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28. How many countries did you visit while in the navy?
A couple dozen. Mostly in the Med and South AmericaICQ me lets make a deal 116894466
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Originally posted by Choker
totally agreed there. impressive answerThis dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
Now read without the word dog.Comment
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Originally posted by Choker
obviously you know exactly what i do to combat cheaters these days, you're choker - you know everything!
yep i have NO way of checking my traffic and i work totally blind at all times. I'm a complete idiot. Obviously more than 9/10 of my traffic is fake. There's no way a site like mine could exist unless it's full of fake traffic.
it's much better to post exactly what I am doing and using to combat cheating like you do so cheaters know how to get around it isn't it.
I mean - that's the SMART approach.
This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
Now read without the word dog.Comment
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wow Dameian, you tripled your post count in one night! Good to see you contribiting some good insight man. And glad to see the Rum was doing its job!XXXRewards - Karups - Boyfun - Jawked. Paying on time since 1997. Contact me at brent [at] xxxrewards.comComment
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