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  • angelsofporn
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    #1

    American vs British response to the terrorist attacks

    As an American in london who witnessed the hysteria around the bombings that happened today I remember the anger we americans felt when 9-11 happened and the scenes happening on every channel are pissing everyone off to the point that they will demand something be done in response.
    First of all there is no way that the English people would be dumb enough to let their government lie them into some totally unrelated conflict in a totally unrelated country where a bunch of the prime minister's buddies happen to make billions off the deal. (See the deal inked yesterday between Haliburton and US military worth 5 billion..one is a series of similar deals)
    4 years after 9-11 al quaida is stronger than ever. We havent gotten the guys that did the deed. But the gov parlayed the fear that the event caused into making lots of folks many billions.
    Shit pisses me off..
    Will be interesting the difference in the English administration's response....if it can withstand the lure of the massive potential for financial gain that has become available to them throiugh now. They've seen america do it..and do it well...make money from fear that is...while totally ignoring and actually fueling the fire of the real problem.
    The hard won sheep mentality that the US conservatives have spent years cultivating with the american media dosent exist in england so pulling the wool over the eyes of the Brits would be tough.
    My guess is they will do a better job...might even get the guys... and use 1/10000 the resources we are using in iraq to do it.
  • pornstar2pac
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    #2
    yeah, just see how quick blair makes a new alliance with bush and the US.......because they need our help of course.
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    • Rob
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      #3
      I hope you're not serious.

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      • klinton
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        edited ;]

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        • BlueDesignStudios
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          i thought blair's speach was really good actually.. very balanced

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          • RoCkMaN
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            • jimmyf
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              #7
              Originally posted by HighOnAcid
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              • Fred Quimby
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                • Aquaman
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by angelsofporn
                  First of all there is no way that the English people would be dumb enough to let their government lie them into some totally unrelated conflict in a totally unrelated country..
                  They already did that

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                  • benc
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                    #10
                    The response will be like what Spains response was.
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                    • BlueDesignStudios
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                      #11
                      I like this contrast of responses:

                      QUEEN Elizabeth II said she was "deeply shocked" by a wave of terrorist attacks on London underground trains and a bus, and sent her sympathy to those affected.

                      Meanwhile, US President George W. Bush said Thursday the London blasts showed the war on terrorism must continue.
                      "The war on terrorism is on," Mr Bush told reporters on the sidelines of the Group of Eight summit here.



                      Bush is a classic

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                      • fraggle
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by pornstar2pac
                        yeah, just see how quick blair makes a new alliance with bush and the US.......because they need our help of course.

                        dont we already have alliances considering we mutually support action and make up the majority of forces in Iraq and Afghanistan?
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                        • Johny Traffic
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by pornstar2pac
                          yeah, just see how quick blair makes a new alliance with bush and the US.......because they need our help of course.
                          Dont we have an Alliance? Havnt we supported you in every war? What help exactly do we need from you?


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                          • fraggle
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by BlueDesignStudios
                            I like this contrast of responses:

                            QUEEN Elizabeth II said she was "deeply shocked" by a wave of terrorist attacks on London underground trains and a bus, and sent her sympathy to those affected.

                            Meanwhile, US President George W. Bush said Thursday the London blasts showed the war on terrorism must continue.
                            "The war on terrorism is on," Mr Bush told reporters on the sidelines of the Group of Eight summit here.



                            Bush is a classic
                            Yeah blair and the Queens comments were pretty tactful and considerate to those affected.

                            ONe fair point made after was its a shame London and londoner's have been targeted as its arguably the most tolerant,multicultural cities in the world yet it targeted for a cultural grievence/war
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                            • alexg
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by BlueDesignStudios
                              I like this contrast of responses:

                              QUEEN Elizabeth II said she was "deeply shocked" by a wave of terrorist attacks on London underground trains and a bus, and sent her sympathy to those affected.

                              Meanwhile, US President George W. Bush said Thursday the London blasts showed the war on terrorism must continue.
                              "The war on terrorism is on," Mr Bush told reporters on the sidelines of the Group of Eight summit here.



                              Bush is a classic
                              what's so funny about it?

                              should we all just be "shocked" about terrorist attacks instead of fighting terrorism?

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                              • fraggle
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Johny Traffic
                                Dont we have an Alliance? Havnt we supported you in every war? What help exactly do we need from you?
                                Thats what i thought
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                                • fraggle
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by alexg
                                  what's so funny about it?

                                  should we all just be "shocked" about terrorist attacks instead of fighting terrorism?

                                  IN the quote on TV here he didnt (bush) have much to say about the UK, only that he was telling state leader to be on alert.
                                  You could say insensitive, butthen that could be down to editing.
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                                  • Johny Traffic
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by fraggle
                                    Thats what i thought
                                    We stand next to them, side by side, soldiers dying daily, against the whole of European opinion, in a war that turns out to have been started for made up reasons. But we are still there with them, and for people to say things like this.

                                    yeah, just see how quick blair makes a new alliance with bush and the US.......because they need our help of course.
                                    Last edited by Johny Traffic; 07-07-2005, 05:27 AM.


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                                    • BlueDesignStudios
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by alexg
                                      what's so funny about it?

                                      should we all just be "shocked" about terrorist attacks instead of fighting terrorism?
                                      I didn't say anything was funny about it, why would you suggest it's funny?

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                                      • 12clicks
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by angelsofporn
                                        As an American in london who witnessed the hysteria around the bombings that happened today I remember the anger we americans felt when 9-11 happened and the scenes happening on every channel are pissing everyone off to the point that they will demand something be done in response.
                                        First of all there is no way that the English people would be dumb enough to let their government lie them into some totally unrelated conflict in a totally unrelated country where a bunch of the prime minister's buddies happen to make billions off the deal. (See the deal inked yesterday between Haliburton and US military worth 5 billion..one is a series of similar deals)
                                        4 years after 9-11 al quaida is stronger than ever. We havent gotten the guys that did the deed. But the gov parlayed the fear that the event caused into making lots of folks many billions.
                                        Shit pisses me off..
                                        Will be interesting the difference in the English administration's response....if it can withstand the lure of the massive potential for financial gain that has become available to them throiugh now. They've seen america do it..and do it well...make money from fear that is...while totally ignoring and actually fueling the fire of the real problem.
                                        The hard won sheep mentality that the US conservatives have spent years cultivating with the american media dosent exist in england so pulling the wool over the eyes of the Brits would be tough.
                                        My guess is they will do a better job...might even get the guys... and use 1/10000 the resources we are using in iraq to do it.
                                        GFY idiocy knows no bounds.
                                        It seems trash takes any opportunity to spew their uneducated rants.
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                                        • alexg
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by BlueDesignStudios
                                          I didn't say anything was funny about it, why would you suggest it's funny?
                                          you said "Bush is a classic"

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                                          • BlueDesignStudios
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by alexg
                                            you said "Bush is a classic"
                                            did you think that was funny?

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                                            • alexg
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by BlueDesignStudios
                                              did you think that was funny?
                                              are you a retard?

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                                              • smitty2049
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                                                #24
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                                                • BlueDesignStudios
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by alexg
                                                  are you a retard?
                                                  you accused me of being funny, but I didn't say anything funny.
                                                  I think you've missunderstood my post

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                                                  • pornstar2pac
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Johny Traffic
                                                    What help exactly do we need from you?


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                                                    • BRISK
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                                                      #27
                                                      Gotta love the news

                                                      BBC London says there are at least 2 people killed, but a U.S. law enforcement official says there are at least 40 people killed. Big difference.

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                                                      • ukweb
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by benc
                                                        The response will be like what Spains response was.
                                                        Don't count on it, the UK has been fighting terrorism for many year's and never backed down...
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                                                        • Johny Traffic
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by pornstar2pac
                                                          Entertainment- we own hollywood
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                                                          • ukweb
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by pornstar2pac
                                                            Entertainment- we own hollywood
                                                            Yes hollywood is pretty good at re-writing history with all the shit that comes out of there.
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                                                            • Dirty Dane
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by alexg
                                                              what's so funny about it?

                                                              should we all just be "shocked" about terrorist attacks instead of fighting terrorism?
                                                              You can be shocked and fight it at the same time. However its not the queens job how to fight it. The politicians take care of that. "Problem" with this war against these terrorists is that you can't fight it by attacking countries. You don't know who the enemy is and where they will strike. They operate in independent cells in each country. Only way is to investigate and watch over suspicious groups, put higher security on all public places, but that has its price. Many attacks has been stopped that way already, but this time they could not, and people are by nature shocked.

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                                                              • FetishTom
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Johny Traffic
                                                                Dont we have an Alliance? Havnt we supported you in every war? What help exactly do we need from you?
                                                                Well we skipped on Vietnam....UK military advised Wilson - UK premier at the time - that it was a disaster waiting to happen and to steer clear

                                                                ...as for what will happen after todays bombs....not a lot really...worked in London during the height of the Irish bombing campaigns and had a couple of close calls but truth is we all got used to it, basically London has been a bomb target since the early seventies so not exactly new territory..although its been reported that some 'security people' are nostalgic over the Irish bombing campaign as it was easier to deal with!

                                                                As for needing American 'help' er yeah right..just what we need

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                                                                • Johny Traffic
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by ukweb
                                                                  Don't count on it, the UK has been fighting terrorism for many year's and never backed down...
                                                                  You shouldnt have given that post the dignity of responding to it. Hes obviously a tosser of the highest order and knows fuck all about anything.

                                                                  Spains reaction came because it forced voters to pick a government that was anti war, we dont have an election comming up for 4 years, and both our two parties are for the war, so anyone who wasnt a complete fool would know there is a difference


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                                                                  • jimmyf
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by ukweb
                                                                    Don't count on it, the UK has been fighting terrorism for many year's and never backed down...
                                                                    true statement.....
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                                                                    • pornstar2pac
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by ukweb
                                                                      Yes hollywood is pretty good at re-writing history with all the shit that comes out of there.


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                                                                      • ukweb
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Johny Traffic
                                                                        You shouldnt have given that post the dignity of responding to it. Hes obviously a tosser of the highest order and knows fuck all about anything.
                                                                        yes you are probally right..just annoying some of the clueless idiots that post on this board for sig views etc...
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                                                                        • s9ann0
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          I dunno maybe we could use it as an excuse to invade france or something ?

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                                                                          • alexg
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by BlueDesignStudios
                                                                            you accused me of being funny, but I didn't say anything funny.
                                                                            I think you've missunderstood my post
                                                                            you pointed out what you believe was irony in bush's reply to the attacks and you found his reply to be "classic".
                                                                            so I asked what's so funny about his reply?

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                                                                            • alexg
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Dirty Dane
                                                                              You can be shocked and fight it at the same time. However its not the queens job how to fight it. The politicians take care of that.
                                                                              I know that. I find nothing wrong with the queen's response.

                                                                              however BlueDesignStudios found something "classic" about Bush's response, and I wanted to know what it was.

                                                                              last time I checked, Bush WAS one of those politicians you're talking about.

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                                                                              • alexg
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by benc
                                                                                The response will be like what Spains response was.
                                                                                I doubt.

                                                                                UK leaders and people are not stupid cowards.

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                                                                                • Manowar
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  it was some crazy shit thats for sure

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                                                                                  • Johny Traffic
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by alexg
                                                                                    I doubt.

                                                                                    UK leaders and people are not stupid cowards.
                                                                                    some of us would disagree about our leaders not being stupid


                                                                                    But you are right, It wont make any difference.


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                                                                                    • angelsofporn
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                      GFY idiocy knows no bounds.
                                                                                      It seems trash takes any opportunity to spew their uneducated rants.
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                                                                                      • the real magoo
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by angelsofporn
                                                                                        First of all there is no way that the English people would be dumb enough to let their government lie them into some totally unrelated conflict in a totally unrelated country where a bunch of the prime minister's buddies happen to make billions off the deal. (See the deal inked yesterday between Haliburton and US military worth 5 billion..one is a series of similar deals)
                                                                                        4 years after 9-11 al quaida is stronger than ever. We havent gotten the guys that did the deed. But the gov parlayed the fear that the event caused into making lots of folks many billions.

                                                                                        *sigh*

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                                                                                          #45
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                                                                                          • Sarah_Jayne
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            you aren't starting with the same base...the 9/11 stuff came out of the blue...this in part of the same fight in the eyes of people that are fighting it so there isn't going to be a big war launched in addition to what is going on. The British have more experience with being bombed and London in particular..people will largely brush it off but I do think we are in place for a major overhaul of Underground security.

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                                                                                            • Sarah_Jayne
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by BRISK
                                                                                              Gotta love the news

                                                                                              BBC London says there are at least 2 people killed, but a U.S. law enforcement official says there are at least 40 people killed. Big difference.

                                                                                              http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050707/...NlYwMlJVRPUCUl

                                                                                              Well the BBC have more of a responsibility to the British public than the US law enforcement and they are only going to report offical numbers. Part of the problem with things like CNN, Fox News, etc is they speculate too much.

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                                                                                              • Johny Traffic
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by sarah_webinc
                                                                                                you aren't starting with the same base...the 9/11 stuff came out of the blue...this in part of the same fight in the eyes of people that are fighting it so there isn't going to be a big war launched in addition to what is going on. The British have more experience with being bombed and London in particular..people will largely brush it off but I do think we are in place for a major overhaul of Underground security.
                                                                                                I'm not so sure about the security in the underground being overhauled, I doubt much will change if anything. Apart from maybe some politition may get more backing for I.D cards


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                                                                                                • angelsofporn
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by sarah_webinc
                                                                                                  you aren't starting with the same base...the 9/11 stuff came out of the blue...this in part of the same fight in the eyes of people that are fighting it so there isn't going to be a big war launched in addition to what is going on. The British have more experience with being bombed and London in particular..people will largely brush it off but I do think we are in place for a major overhaul of Underground security.
                                                                                                  The base i'm refering to is mainly the cultural difference between the two societies and administrations. I wasnt here in london when the ramp up to the iraqi invasion was going on. But i dont think it was done in a massive media campaign of contrived patriotism and fear to get the public to go along with it.
                                                                                                  From what i saw back then it appeared most of the public was against sending troops but Blair just pulled the right strings and made it happen anyway. The majority of the US public just ate it all up...the WMD's..yellow cake uranium from Nigeria...Al quaida meeting with Sadaam Hussien etc
                                                                                                  What i mean is i just dont that it could happen here in the UK for a few reasons...i mean public support for it based on BS that is believed out of fear and getting amped on patriotism.
                                                                                                  Last edited by angelsofporn; 07-07-2005, 07:09 AM.

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                                                                                                  • Sarah_Jayne
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Johny Traffic
                                                                                                    I'm not so sure about the security in the underground being overhauled, I doubt much will change if anything. Apart from maybe some politition may get more backing for I.D cards

                                                                                                    I never see police on platforms..they say they are there but I never see them...that will be stepped up for a while.

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