How does a legit site land mail in gmail, aol, hotmail?

more than possible, there are dozens of factors that contribute

Help a bastard!

We had to go through about 6 months of back and forth with AOHELL to get our emails certified and even then it's not guaranteed.

you have to make love to the filters

I'm counting aol out as they don't even put a hi message in the junk folder. Managed to land everywhere else I think. I should have remembered I am a god and would figure it out eventually.

Thanks everyone.

When I worked for a *very small* internet commerce site, we had problems just getting hand-made emails through AOL's system, and a ton of problems on the automated purchase emails.

They didn't do anything to help us really. They have an extremely stingy system, good luck man

so you are the one sending out?

to how many people?

is it spam?

Whitelist IPs. If that doesn't work get a shitload of IPs.

AOL can be easy to work with or a nightmare. If you are sending porn, forget it. They don't want it and they don't want their mambers to have it. If you are doing mainstream opt-in, they will help you get your mail in. They have gotten a lot stricter about TOS per email sent. They have always had a policy of 1000 TOS complaints per million. They used to let you get away with about 5x that as long as the TOS were steadily going down. If they weren't, they would usually use the 3 strikes your out policy. Now, as soon as you go over that threshold, your sending IP's are permanently blocked.

The other major thing they do now is rate limit you even if you are whitelisted and are below their TOS threshold. The number is always changing, but the last time is was mailing them it was about 6-7k per hour. As soon as you go over that amount, they put a temp block on your sending IP's and you have to contact them to have the block lifted.

I will say this, AOL converts like no other. They have a ton of buyers and they buy anything and everything. So, if you have a lot of true opt-in AOL addresses it's worth going through the process. BTW, it takes about a month from the time you submit a whitelist request to working through all the issues.

marketsmart, i love your signature...awsome

"money's not real George, it only seems like it is"
"you gonna tell that to mom?"
"that's gonna be a tricky one"

I love that whole scene... and it's so true..

this guy knows what he is talking about

mailing into "big domains" is fairly easy if you have the right resources