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  • FissPunny
    Confirmed User
    • Sep 2004
    • 231
    #1

    legals... use of HTML frames

    How good a legal defense is the use of a frameset? ie your host/server/domain etc had no infringing content but a framed external site (which was not yours and you had no control over it) did.

    But because of frames it could appear that it was on your site to someone who doesnt understand frames/HTML??
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    • KK2K3
      Confirmed User
      • May 2005
      • 190
      #2
      sorry what was the point or question i was to busy looking at your sig

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        • azguy
          Confirmed User
          • Nov 2004
          • 5167
          #3
          Even better: how about a mod_rewrite on each jpeg file? <IMG SRC>s will show your urls, but apache will redirect each file to a different server owned by a non-US person and hosted offshore?

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            • FissPunny
              Confirmed User
              • Sep 2004
              • 231
              #4
              great post azguy... do we have anybody who can comment on this?
              SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

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                • mardigras
                  Bon temps!
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 14194
                  #5
                  If it shows your URL, you are the publisher.

                  If frames was a way around 2257 don't you think there would be tons of sponsors around here hawking their 2257 frame pages?
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                    • Lycanthrope
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 4517
                      #6
                      Originally posted by mardigras
                      If it shows your URL, you are the publisher.

                      If frames was a way around 2257 don't you think there would be tons of sponsors around here hawking their 2257 frame pages?
                      I would have to concur. I truly believe this is what they meant by the "enter into a contract to... / conspire to..." bit.

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                        • FissPunny
                          Confirmed User
                          • Sep 2004
                          • 231
                          #7
                          okay what if it wasnt 2257. what if the frame contained something civil ie, copyright, slander, etc
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                            • mardigras
                              Bon temps!
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 14194
                              #8
                              Originally posted by FissPunny
                              okay what if it wasnt 2257. what if the frame contained something civil ie, copyright, slander, etc
                              My guess is that it wouldn't matter. If you make it a part of your page it is a part of your page. If you framed a page offering Star Wars downloads for free you would likely be zapped just as quickly as the guys who hosted torrent files.
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                                • Paul Waters
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Mar 2003
                                  • 4402
                                  #9
                                  Consider that if you get your ass in court on a 2257 charge, every single person in that courtroom, other than you and maybe your lawyer, wants you convicted.

                                  It is the anti kiddie porn law, and if the issue against you is unrelated to kiddies... who cares.

                                  The legal expression is.. If it walks like a duck, if it sounds like a duck, it is a duck.

                                  The judge will like that expression much more than your expensive expert witness explaining how the pic on your site was not really on your site.



                                  Paul

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                                    • FissPunny
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Sep 2004
                                      • 231
                                      #10
                                      okay now what if you framed a movie site which fine. the movie site then puts up links to a star wars download?

                                      or you remove the framed link as requested but George Lucas still sees the old version of your site possiby through proxy cache, IE cache, google cache etc.
                                      SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

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                                        • FissPunny
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Sep 2004
                                          • 231
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Paul Waters
                                          Consider that if you get your ass in court on a 2257 charge, every single person in that courtroom, other than you and maybe your lawyer, wants you convicted.

                                          It is the anti kiddie porn law, and if the issue against you is unrelated to kiddies... who cares.

                                          The legal expression is.. If it walks like a duck, if it sounds like a duck, it is a duck.

                                          The judge will like that expression much more than your expensive expert witness explaining how the pic on your site was not really on your site.

                                          this question doesnt relate to 2257
                                          SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

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                                            • mardigras
                                              Bon temps!
                                              • Feb 2003
                                              • 14194
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by FissPunny
                                              this question doesnt relate to 2257
                                              I would think his response would apply to any case involving a site you host.

                                              It's all about intent. A jury will be more persuaded by the prosecuter who says you were trying to use tricks to get around laws than the defense who could only say you didn't host the materials, but wouldn't be able to argue that you didn't intend to disseminate them. Would be even worse if you had "ref codes" in said frames
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                                                • mardigras
                                                  Bon temps!
                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                  • 14194
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by FissPunny
                                                  okay now what if you framed a movie site which fine. the movie site then puts up links to a star wars download?
                                                  You better hope you can show the court that a perfectly legal site suddenly switched and prove you have no involvement with them whatsoever.
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