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  • simple simon
    Confirmed User
    • Jan 2005
    • 854
    #1

    BangBrothers SEO results

    So I set out 3 weeks ago to pick another sponsor for some engine traffic. I figured wtf, I give BB a shot. Well after placing 8th on google for a popular bangbros keyword (4,200,000) I am left with this fucking garbage. Hope they enjoyed the joins. Sorry I dont play TGP games and send 5k-10k. I send 500-1000 max from front page google placement, if it's shit I move on. I was hoping for a long term mutually beneficial result.

    SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.
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    • brand0n
      been very busy
      • Nov 2002
      • 26983
      #2
      want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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        • SomeCreep
          :glugglug
          • Mar 2003
          • 26118
          #3
          How many hours of work did you invest into this project (building pages, swapping links, etc)?

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            • bringer
              i have man boobies
              • Jul 2003
              • 13082
              #4
              526 hits in 9 days? no joins? omg!!!!!!!!!!!
              333-765-551

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                • simple simon
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jan 2005
                  • 854
                  #5
                  I average 1:20-30 with ND and a few others from front page google placement. 1:500 and climbing aint gonna cut it. Time move forward, you fucks can keep sending that shithole click monkey tgp traffic and be happy with your 1:300+, not me.
                  SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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                    • dig420
                      Confirmed User
                      • May 2001
                      • 9240
                      #6
                      that's not enough traffic for a legitimate test. Weak drama.

                      and if you're converting 1/20 with ND why would you EVER EVER EVER send one single hit anywhere else? Do you work for ND or something?

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                        • pocketkangaroo
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jan 2005
                          • 8452
                          #7
                          Well if you are ranking for the BangBros term, why not just leave it up? The placement isn't costing you anything right now. Unless this is a general adult term that you could place a different sponsor in.

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                            • simple simon
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jan 2005
                              • 854
                              #8
                              Originally posted by dig420
                              that's not enough traffic for a legitimate test. Weak drama.

                              and if you're converting 1/20 with ND why would you EVER EVER EVER send one single hit anywhere else? Do you work for ND or something?
                              Like I said, I send nothing but quality traffic from page placements. Its plenty traffic to gauge were this is going.

                              SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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                                • Slick
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Feb 2001
                                  • 7338
                                  #9
                                  I'm having a nice month with Bang Bros getting a 1:481 ratio (95 signups) from thumb tgp traffic

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                                    • Hardlinks
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • May 2005
                                      • 1333
                                      #10
                                      8th spot is wayyyy less likely to convert then the top 2-3

                                      500 hits isnt enough to see. Hell 1 sale puts you at 1/250 Which you wont do cause your 8th..heh

                                      With what it took to whine here you could have spent some time increasing that rank to top 3, first two if you wanna make any money.

                                      And it could be worse.

                                      I have a tos.php with my ref code listed for a paysite search.(2nd result)

                                      Try to convert that.

                                      EDIT This impying it was for a bangbros site name search
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                                        • chadglni
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Dec 2002
                                          • 6924
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by simple simon
                                          I average 1:20-30 with ND and a few others from front page google placement. 1:500 and climbing aint gonna cut it. Time move forward, you fucks can keep sending that shithole click monkey tgp traffic and be happy with your 1:300+, not me.
                                          Haha I love this guy. click monkey tgp traffic

                                          I agree


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                                            • HushMoney
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Apr 2005
                                              • 2256
                                              #12
                                              from my other thread:



                                              give us a try
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                                                • simple simon
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Jan 2005
                                                  • 854
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by chadglni
                                                  Haha I love this guy. click monkey tgp traffic

                                                  I agree
                                                  They have done nothing but train their traffic to click, click, click and it never ends. Find a way to make a ppc tgp model and they would be zillionaires. I been doing this shit for 4 years now and it amazes me that alot of guys need 800k uniques a day to make a buck.
                                                  SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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                                                    • MrChips
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • May 2005
                                                      • 1504
                                                      #14
                                                      Simple Simon

                                                      Dead right - that is more than enough traffic for a test.

                                                      Two issues -
                                                      1 if they shaved you
                                                      2 if they didnt shave and simply didnt convert

                                                      Either way - send the traffic elsewhere.

                                                      I only do SEO aswell - and I know thats exactly what I'd do - delete the shit affiliate program from your sites - no more questions - no ifs or buts - DELETE.



                                                      **just incase** its shaving - then you know they aint getting f*** all from your work.

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                                                        • Snake Doctor
                                                          I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                          • Mar 2001
                                                          • 13449
                                                          #15
                                                          A popular bangbros keyword?

                                                          What does that mean?

                                                          If you went and got a good ranking for say "milf lessons" or "bang bus" I don't think that's going to convert as well as a good listing for "big tits" or "mature sex".....simply because most of the people who search for a site name on google are looking for more galleries with content from that site.

                                                          sig too big

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                                                            • Theo
                                                              HAL 9000
                                                              • May 2001
                                                              • 34515
                                                              #16
                                                              can we see the 1:20 stats from ND as well?

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                                                                • chadglni
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                  • 6924
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by simple simon
                                                                  They have done nothing but train their traffic to click, click, click and it never ends. Find a way to make a ppc tgp model and they would be zillionaires. I been doing this shit for 4 years now and it amazes me that alot of guys need 800k uniques a day to make a buck.
                                                                  I paid $6000 for a TGP in 2001. After 1 month and 1 million gallery hits I shut it down and let the domain expire because I though conversions sucked. I was doing 1:200 or so.


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                                                                    • Hardlinks
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • May 2005
                                                                      • 1333
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by simple simon
                                                                      I average 1:20-30 with ND and a few others from front page google placement.

                                                                      1:20-30?

                                                                      What for one day on the second friday of last month?

                                                                      Please you want to criticize, post the ND stats where you convert 1-20-30 off of google front page clicks. I call bullshit. I know what front page clicks are worth from there and theres VERY few terms that will give you that. And i dont think its you that has them.
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                                                                        • edgeprod
                                                                          Permanently Gone
                                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                                          • 10019
                                                                          #19
                                                                          I sent a crapload of joins to them, according to Epoch, but "their" stats said like 1 trial or some bullshit. They're scammers, who cares? Send it somewhere else.

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                                                                            • simple simon
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Jan 2005
                                                                              • 854
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                                              can we see the 1:20 stats from ND as well?
                                                                              No im not here to gloat or be flashy, just really unimpressed with the results. I do this testing with a few sponsors every few months and was kinda shocked with the outcome. It's unfortunate, but oh well
                                                                              SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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                                                                                • WiredGuy
                                                                                  Pounding Googlebot
                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                  • 34515
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  if you are ranked 8th on the name of a bangbros site, like Bang Bus, you won't get many joins. Quite simply, the first 7 listings are probably all sending traffic to the same site and by the time you get any traffic to the 8th position, your chances of making a sale to the same site are really slim.

                                                                                  WG
                                                                                  I play with Google.

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                                                                                    • simple simon
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Jan 2005
                                                                                      • 854
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                                                      if you are ranked 8th on the name of a bangbros site, like Bang Bus, you won't get many joins. Quite simply, the first 7 listings are probably all sending traffic to the same site and by the time you get any traffic to the 8th position, your chances of making a sale to the same site are really slim.

                                                                                      WG
                                                                                      my experience with google in the last 4 years is an overwhelming majority of top listings are fucking spammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmy From what I believe, which others may disagree is that traffic will look were they are going before clicking. When you see a full page of fucked spam domains and run across a root, I feel they are more inclined to click. Everyone has their own theories, like I said, Oh well. Im off to bed, I think im going fishing in the morning to relax
                                                                                      SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

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                                                                                        • WiredGuy
                                                                                          Pounding Googlebot
                                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                                          • 34515
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by simple simon
                                                                                          my experience with google in the last 4 years is an overwhelming majority of top listings are fucking spammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmy From what I believe, which others may disagree is that traffic will look were they are going before clicking. When you see a full page of fucked spam domains and run across a root, I feel they are more inclined to click. Everyone has their own theories, like I said, Oh well. Im off to bed, I think im going fishing in the morning to relax
                                                                                          I tend to believe that's how a webmaster would look at results, not the typical surfer. A typical surfer sees their keywords they typed in the search results and clicks, even if its incoherent keyword stuffed listings. That's my opinion at least...

                                                                                          WG
                                                                                          I play with Google.

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                                                                                            • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                              ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                              • Jun 2004
                                                                                              • 28609
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              se traffic is alot more finicky than some people think. The other 7 listings above you make ALOT of difference. If the 7 spots above you are gallery's or linklist's your chances are way better than if the actual bangbus site is listed above you.. If the actual site is listed above you then all your getting is surfers looking for more free content or free movies . Without actually seeing the listing its hard to say, but its not the worst i have ever seen.
                                                                                              hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                                                                • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                  ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                                  • Jun 2004
                                                                                                  • 28609
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  btw if your keyword has to do with "bus" then you could try NASTYBUS from spacash..
                                                                                                  hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                                                                    • WiredGuy
                                                                                                      Pounding Googlebot
                                                                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                                                                      • 34515
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                      btw if your keyword has to do with "bus" then you could try NASTYBUS from spacash..
                                                                                                      Or Slutbus from Quickbuck. No point in promoting the same site the first 7 listings are pushing. Mix it up a little...

                                                                                                      WG
                                                                                                      I play with Google.

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                                                                                                        • bdld
                                                                                                          $100,000
                                                                                                          • Dec 2001
                                                                                                          • 11452
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          my BBros SE traffic does only "OK", but theres so many surfers looking for their sites its hard to let them go.

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                                                                                                            • beemk
                                                                                                              CLICK HERE
                                                                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                                                                              • 20829
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              3 weeks to get 500 hits?
                                                                                                              I host with Vacares

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                                                                                                                • twist
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • May 2003
                                                                                                                  • 415
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Bangbros does convert, don't blame them but instead look what you're doing wrong.
                                                                                                                  I love big boobs.

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                                                                                                                    • Fucksakes
                                                                                                                      Shit... Fuck! What the Hell?
                                                                                                                      • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                      • 7567
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      my avg ratio with ND is 1:100 with galleries, have yet to find better

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                                                                                                                        • GoLiaT
                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                          • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                          • 1130
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          i am at 1/200 on pure tgp traffic this month with bangbros
                                                                                                                          these guys rock
                                                                                                                          "where ever you go..there you are."

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                                                                                                                            • beemk
                                                                                                                              CLICK HERE
                                                                                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                              • 20829
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              6/16/2005 to 6/30/2005 445 2 0 2 1 in 222 $85.00

                                                                                                                              hosted galleries
                                                                                                                              I host with Vacares

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                                                                                                                                • chadglni
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                  • 6924
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by beemk
                                                                                                                                  6/16/2005 to 6/30/2005 445 2 0 2 1 in 222 $85.00

                                                                                                                                  hosted galleries
                                                                                                                                  How many hits to the gallery did it take to get 445 clicks? That is the point. One of my sites that was just put up does a whopping 2000 to 2500 page views per day (under 1k visitors) and 400 to 500 clicks to sponsor. Then it converts at around 1:150 raw.


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                                                                                                                                    • VeriSexy
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                                                                                                                                      • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                      • 25463
                                                                                                                                      #34
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                                                                                                                                        • Manowar
                                                                                                                                          jellyfish  
                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                                          • 71528
                                                                                                                                          #35



                                                                                                                                          BangBrosOnline are good for me

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                                                                                                                                            • Trax
                                                                                                                                              [----------------------]
                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                              • 14486
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              There is NO WAY you're converting 1/20 with ND, regardless what kind of SE traffic it is.
                                                                                                                                              I send them a good chunk of targetted SE traffic and am NOWHERE near those conversions.
                                                                                                                                              I smell bullshit

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                                                                                                                                                • xxxjay
                                                                                                                                                  Tube groupie.
                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                  • 13482
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by simple simon
                                                                                                                                                  So I set out 3 weeks ago to pick another sponsor for some engine traffic. I figured wtf, I give BB a shot. Well after placing 8th on google for a popular bangbros keyword (4,200,000) I am left with this fucking garbage. Hope they enjoyed the joins. Sorry I dont play TGP games and send 5k-10k. I send 500-1000 max from front page google placement, if it's shit I move on. I was hoping for a long term mutually beneficial result.

                                                                                                                                                  Dude, you should not post a thread like this without a bigger traffic sample. You need at least 10k of traffic to a sponsor to see a trend. 500 hits is very premature.

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                                                                                                                                                    • xxxjay
                                                                                                                                                      Tube groupie.
                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                      • 13482
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Bangbros is a top notch program in my book.
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                                                                                                                                                        • Dax
                                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                          • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                                          • 3161
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          I say you are full of shit!

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                                                                                                                                                            • BastarD
                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                              • Apr 2004
                                                                                                                                                              • 6341
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              My SEO results with nastydollars are a lot better.

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                                                                                                                                                                • pradaboy
                                                                                                                                                                  sell me your banners
                                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                                                                  • 12931
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  I smell bullshit... SE traffic on the worst sponsor would even convert under 1:600
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                                                                                                                                                                    • fris
                                                                                                                                                                      I have to go potty
                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                      • 55789
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
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                                                                                                                                                                        • SomeCreep
                                                                                                                                                                          :glugglug
                                                                                                                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                          • 26118
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by pradaboy
                                                                                                                                                                          I smell bullshit... SE traffic on the worst sponsor would even convert under 1:600
                                                                                                                                                                          Nope. I have a "good" sponsor converting 1:3500 on SE. Another sponsor, same niche, same traffic, converting 1:250.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • adonthenet
                                                                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                                              • 16753
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              SE traffic must convert way better then 1:500 ...

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                                                                                                                                                                                • AdultNex
                                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 8985
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by simple simon
                                                                                                                                                                                  my experience with google in the last 4 years is an overwhelming majority of top listings are fucking spammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmy From what I believe, which others may disagree is that traffic will look were they are going before clicking. When you see a full page of fucked spam domains and run across a root, I feel they are more inclined to click. Everyone has their own theories, like I said, Oh well. Im off to bed, I think im going fishing in the morning to relax
                                                                                                                                                                                  Most surfers don't know the difference between a spammed listing and a full fledged white hat operation.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • ChrisExtreme
                                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Apr 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 993
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Basic_man
                                                                                                                                                                                          Programming King Pin
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 27360
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Manowar



                                                                                                                                                                                          BangBrosOnline are good for me

                                                                                                                                                                                          Pretty nice stats Manowar
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Pipecrew
                                                                                                                                                                                              Master of Gfy.com
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 14888
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              We have soo many SEO guys that hit the whale bonus each period, so I will just assume you dont know what you're doing as others have suggested. 500 hits in almost 2 weeks? is not even possible to judge.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Dalai lama
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Strength and Honor
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 16540
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by dig420
                                                                                                                                                                                                  that's not enough traffic for a legitimate test. Weak drama.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  and if you're converting 1/20 with ND why would you EVER EVER EVER send one single hit anywhere else? Do you work for ND or something?
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Because you start a new project while the ND project is still running. Maybe you can find another sponsor who does that good. Then you got double cash, just play around to see if you can find more.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Pipecrew
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Master of Gfy.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 14888
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by edgeprod
                                                                                                                                                                                                      I sent a crapload of joins to them, according to Epoch, but "their" stats said like 1 trial or some bullshit. They're scammers, who cares? Send it somewhere else.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Wow, you're bright..

                                                                                                                                                                                                      We got new stats and new epoch accounts to keep everything seperate. All the old Epoch stats and money on the old stats were paid off long ago (PPS), rebills are still being paid off each period.. Hence why you think your stuff is stuck at "1 trial or some bullshit"

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Keep talking shit about stuff you dont know about and you will end up with papers at your door before you wake up.

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