An open letter to the ASACP Advisory Council - webmasters, feel free to agree or not

If you have seen Woj, please call 1-800-post-bot.

If what you are saying is true, then everyone needs to ask whether ASACP supports free speech rights for all legal adult websites, or do they only support free speech for sites that don't offend someone working there?

"Best Practices" is some bullshit big brother term - free speech is for everyone legal, no matter what their "practices" are.

If ASACP doesn't support free speech for legal adult content, how are they better than any religious group trying to control porn?

How could they represent the adult industry and also be against free speech for legal content?

Let me start off by making this clear. IT IS NOT WHAT I AM SAYING.
If you clicked the link from my previous posts you will see that is what was reported by/to the mainstream media as the process for registering .xxx domains.

What I am saying is webmasters need to take an hour out of their day an look into this. do some research and see what is really going on here.
2 well respected ( by their peers) congressmen pitched a fit when .xxx didn't go through the last time in 2000 I think it was. ( that link is also in this thread somewhere posted by someone) They were talking 5 years ago about throwing us all into .xxx hell so we might be blocked to "protect children"

We can all say it's bullshit, and protest among eachother. In the end ASACP isn't going to write a letter. .xxx gives them an upper hand, .xxx will certainly help their membership base because everyone is going to want an "in" to get their domain purchases approved. And the people who have their grubby little hands in the backend of this .xxx ( yeah so well liked industry players, "stand up guys" sheep hearders types) stand to make a fortune to offset years of lackluster performances by their "great" ideas they never panned out the way they hoped.

.xxx needs to be Addressed by ASACP. it needs to be demanded. They need to make their posistion clear so that the people who fund them can be assured they are no cutting their own throats.

But that will NEVER happen.

Well put Donny!!

This is well on it's way to the 10 pages baddog was after!!!! Maybe they will get the hint!!!

Thank you

Quoting in its entirety because it needs to be seen.

Yes, you did miss something.

While ASACP's "official" position is neutral, Joan's letter applauding the idea could only be read as industry support of the idea.

Now she says the can not retract the "applause" unless directed to do so by the advisory committee.

You figure it out, women confuse me sometimes.

I am doing something wrong if the first site that comes to mind when you think of me is WhiteCheech

Agree with ya baddog!

Basically any committee that have been designated an "advisory committee", presumably are exactly that. Namely - with nada policy making powers. If otherwise, perhaps we could get the correct term for such a committee? :-)

Sure.. it is further entangled when the voice of ASACP is muttered from one person, makes it more absurd.

I would be interesting to hear from ASACP who exactly are the policy makers and what exactly is their "official view".

So many good posts, my first question is did the board instruct her to write the first letter because they didnt why does she need them now and if she did it with out their approval why arent they asking her resignation?
Secondly taking out child pornography to child protection scares the shit out of me
I think a big problem is because they fight cp we are supposed to support them no matter what actions they take.Thats bullshit.
I would bet dollars to donuts the letter wont be written this happens they will have more power and more money then ever. Once again adult gets fucked in the ass.Once again children are used as the excuse.

Bumping this thread and making sure my post has enough words in it.

Good question . . . . must be why I keep asking it

Didd anyone ask it in San Diego or were they all polite as usual.

Agree Tony!

Here we go again with another org that did actually do some good re CP, but as usual they appear to be treading another path along the righteous trail - but of course, with a profit element :-)

Only my worth - I don't need any help from ASACP to kill off CP. I gave em up years ago and contact the most relevant law enforcement to act and generally they have - tho still needed an average of 15 phone calls to remind em. It actually works better that way anyway cos some of these people are cross juridictions and action is often quicker.

But.. despite that - I'd gladly support an org that defined it's aims as being part of the adult industry policing itself. But sure ain't interested in hearing about how such an org is going to be telling the industry what it needs to do and making the rules which do not include the original aims - killing CP. There are already orgs in many countries, backed by law enforcement and already providing "child protection" far better than ASACP will ever do.

I believe it was, but the seminar had more to it than just grilling Joan. I figured it would be easy enough to get the message across to the advisory council, and they would do what is right.

I am afraid that I am being left disappointed once again.

Don't forget that the ASACP is not just for stamping out CP, it is also for the PROTECTION of children (from porn) in general. So it is a no brainer that the ASACP would be all for it.

The xxx TLD can be stopped as there is an appeal process:

The XXX domain can be challenged by contacting ICANN as there is an appeal process to review their decisions. You can email them directly at

[email protected] (you will have to confirm your mailing address is valid)

or visit the ICANN website for more info at

http://www.icann.org/tlds/stld-apps-...c-comments.htm

Read the posted comments on ICANN's comments area and see who supported this new adult-ghetto at:

http://forum.icann.org/lists/stld-rfp-xxx/

ICANN seems to think the adult webmasters want the new XXX domain!! As I learn more about this arcane process, I'll let everybody know where to send the messages and they will learn of our overwhelming love of the XXX domain.

And I am doing something wrong if that is the only part of the post that alarmed you.

How can Greg Dumas be an "Industry" leader?

WTF!

BWA!!!!
ROFLMAO!

The rest of your post is speculation

ASACP can SAY they are neutral but a neutral party doesn't take kickbacks

Nuff said

They sold out, now withdraw your support...I have had my beefs with the FSC in the past but on the issues of 2257 and .XXX the FSC is batting 2 for 2

Tell ASACP and anyone else selling you out to go fuck themselves

Bumpty, Bump.

asacp changing their name, and then moving in on this .xxx thing makes me think they hope adult was just a political springboard for them to move upward and make money. everything else is just bullshit.

instead of saying basically that they can be more acceptable by dropping adult sites from their name, maybe they should help us make adult sites something less threatening to the average american.

i strongly do not support .xxx. i strongly support parental participation and filters. .kids would also rock.

Connor - i'm a los angeles webmistress, and i've never seen a fsc person at the webmaster lunches we were having. i rarely see any of you on the boards. in fact, most of us know you're out there only from xbiz press releases.

i'd love to see the fsc more involved in our industry - i think that would encourage the industry to become more involved with the fsc. you seem to do great work, but honestly it's hard to want to support a group that says they're the voice of our industry when so many have neither had the opportunity to post with fsc folks or meet them?

The FSC has bi-monthly meetings in Woodland Hills, CA at the Marriot. The dates, times and places have been posted on GFY by myself for the past 6 months. Many webmasters make the trip to the San Fernando Valley for the meetings.

Why not contact [email protected] and give him your meeting information for posting on the FSC website's events page?

In truth, FSC boardmembers live all over the USA, not just LA. Therefore, we usually don't get together except for a day or two in order to conduct business. If we are close by when an event is occurring, we will attend.

We have attended all major trade shows with our booth.

I had a great time at the Phoenix Forum along with Michelle, our Executive Director. Were you there? We would have enjoyed meeting you.

Hope to see you soon.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I suggest you spend 30 seconds and use this link.

https://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=AL05F0...4&track=0#FORM

Well, I don't know when the last LA area webmaster lunch was, but I know Michelle was at the last LA area webmaster gathering a week ago Thursday

Sheesh baddog! Just read that link!

There currently seems to be a lot of people walking all over the place and very few actually have a balanced view on any topic - Even those currently in power within the US - if we are to believe what is being said about em. A blind man can see thru others, including the originators of ASACP.

Underneath.. there is something "missing" :-) Good judgement is not a term that easily fits...

What law is that?? I never knew this - ya learn something new every day!

There is a very perverse sickness in the air and beginning to stink - that's coming from one of those who run "these criminal enterprises" (duh??) :-)

God bless the righteousness of your enemy - they know what is best for you - sure are seriously sad people

Na dammit! Will add... That kinda shit is of a base level and ignorance that matches an Al Queda website any day. It has nothing to do with values, family or Christianity - yet it purports to offer "internships"? Sheesh.. gimme a break! Where do they breed?

.XXX will not stop anything!......................I am so happy some people are starting to realize this fact..........and you are so right this group ASACP i am sure they have there heart in the right place but i dont think Joan has control of what is going on. I think the very smart move for her is to move some place else that is not tainted or controled or moved by $$$ then the work can continue for all the right reasons, until then they dont get a dime from me or anyone I know.

The whole .XXX thing stinks really bad, and shame on them selling this load of shit using the "children angle" makes me so mad I just want to do something really bad. But as Lars says " i will pause when agitated"

Fuck .XXX

AlienQ...good point, but who else is taking the lead, someone who really represents our concerns and needs should be backed by all of us.

Where is Greg Dumas now, i want to hear him tell just how great this .XXX is now? He reads this board, why not post or come to a show and let us know, enlighten us with his wisdom and knowledge.

I want to see what the great thing is about this, and I want him and the rest to futher explain to me how this helps with protection of children?

I think Dumas is a has been by this time, or he just hides well.
Who knows.

I really do not think ASACP is technically a part of this industry so perhaps they over stepped there bounds in the first place.

CP is illegal and not condoned by this industries working businesses.

What ASACP deals with is not this industry but criminals.
I do not recall a successful company in this industry that has it's foundations in CP as a legit business.

i just roofied myself.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Connor
Anyone who knows me knows my position. At Cybernet Expo I publicily called for ASACP to rescind its support of .XXX and write a strongly worded letter of opposition. Other than for money, the organization has no business supporting .XXX because it does nothing to protect children. That should be the end of it, as far as ASACP is concerned. Like Mike expressed earlier, I also feel sorry for Joan because I don't think she made the final decision to send out that letter of support. And now that it's out there she's left defending it and trying to pretend that it's a "neutral" letter when clearly it is not neutral. I also know that if I was on the Advisory Council I would be absolutely PISSED about that letter, since I don't think the Council wanted a letter of support to be sent out... it looks like someone else made that decision and hoped to get away with it.

ASACP has a CLEAR opportunity here to do the right thing. We all heard Joan in San Diego say that if the Advisory Council tells her to write a letter of opposition then she will be required to do so. The Advisory Council should put that to the test.... give Joan the instruction she needs to do the right thing, and if she STILL doesn't do it or else writes some confusing and vague letter that can be read in 10 different ways then the members of the Council should think long and hard about why they are volunteering their time with this organization, and who is REALLY pulling the strings. I would like to be supportive of ASACP, but their position on .XXX and their failure to do the right thing here makes it difficult.




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Quote:
Originally Posted by Connor
Anyone who knows me knows my position. At Cybernet Expo I publicily called for ASACP to rescind its support of .XXX and write a strongly worded letter of opposition. Other than for money, the organization has no business supporting .XXX because it does nothing to protect children. That should be the end of it, as far as ASACP is concerned. Like Mike expressed earlier, I also feel sorry for Joan because I don't think she made the final decision to send out that letter of support. And now that it's out there she's left defending it and trying to pretend that it's a "neutral" letter when clearly it is not neutral. I also know that if I was on the Advisory Council I would be absolutely PISSED about that letter, since I don't think the Council wanted a letter of support to be sent out... it looks like someone else made that decision and hoped to get away with it.

ASACP has a CLEAR opportunity here to do the right thing. We all heard Joan in San Diego say that if the Advisory Council tells her to write a letter of opposition then she will be required to do so. The Advisory Council should put that to the test.... give Joan the instruction she needs to do the right thing, and if she STILL doesn't do it or else writes some confusing and vague letter that can be read in 10 different ways then the members of the Council should think long and hard about why they are volunteering their time with this organization, and who is REALLY pulling the strings. I would like to be supportive of ASACP, but their position on .XXX and their failure to do the right thing here makes it difficult.




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Quote:
Originally Posted by Connor
Anyone who knows me knows my position. At Cybernet Expo I publicily called for ASACP to rescind its support of .XXX and write a strongly worded letter of opposition. Other than for money, the organization has no business supporting .XXX because it does nothing to protect children. That should be the end of it, as far as ASACP is concerned. Like Mike expressed earlier, I also feel sorry for Joan because I don't think she made the final decision to send out that letter of support. And now that it's out there she's left defending it and trying to pretend that it's a "neutral" letter when clearly it is not neutral. I also know that if I was on the Advisory Council I would be absolutely PISSED about that letter, since I don't think the Council wanted a letter of support to be sent out... it looks like someone else made that decision and hoped to get away with it.

ASACP has a CLEAR opportunity here to do the right thing. We all heard Joan in San Diego say that if the Advisory Council tells her to write a letter of opposition then she will be required to do so. The Advisory Council should put that to the test.... give Joan the instruction she needs to do the right thing, and if she STILL doesn't do it or else writes some confusing and vague letter that can be read in 10 different ways then the members of the Council should think long and hard about why they are volunteering their time with this organization, and who is REALLY pulling the strings. I would like to be supportive of ASACP, but their position on .XXX and their failure to do the right thing here makes it difficult.




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Where did Aly go???

.............did someone say

BUMP

I think so

I read it too

the public comments forums were closed already 1 year ago, I am not sure if that is the right adress, and also if it can be challenged at all, by sending a few emails. From my understanding ICANN already approved .xxx and now entered the final technical and commercial negotiations with them...

hey they are on our side, I wonder if they take donations?

You are wrong...


I can tell you this: Its being Challenged, and thank Gawd for that!

ICANN is listening also....there are some things that were pointed out of great importance in the application process....that just sucked dick, to bad lol.

Thanks, Connor. I will go catch up. The last thing I saw from her was the 'neutral' stand.

Found the letter. Guess they're not Switzerland, after all.

.xxx = BS to make a few selected people lots of money and fuck the majority of the industry

Thats how the Adult Internet Business works...shame

You are correct

Her lips say one thing, her actions are something else.

I would not go that far. They may feel the same way about .xxx as we do, but they are not "on our side."

No, he is correct. Try sending an email to [email protected] and see what happens.

I will save you some time . . . it will bounce.

Fully agree with this statement

Here here !

Did someone say BUMP?

thanks for saving me some time