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And then there's woj.Originally posted by woj
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I just started another who will be pushing reality cash actually. It is not 50% payout though.Originally posted by warlock5Comment
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oh, i agree...affiliates are a GREAT thing to have...but if you seriously think that adding on affiliates will double the member base of any paysite, i personally think you are wrong...affiliates don't bring in as many members to a paysite as you would like think they doOriginally posted by CDSmith
i agree, extra money is good, and the larger sponsors agree alsoIf the affiliate program business model was the big bad utterly retarded thing that some of you seem to want to make it out to be, then why are ALL of the largest progams in adult running them?
look at my above post about what one of the larger programs offered me.....I said "I have actually had one program offer me: hosting, an on hand designer that they pay for at anytime I need him, free copy of chameleon and some clothing...all in one swoop"....that is them paying for everything I need to do anything, including design and promo...And as to the point about affiliates being lazy... give me a fucking break people. An affiliate still has to build sites, still has to do design work, hundreds of hours of promotion and arranging link trades and networking in order to build up traffic, has to invest money for promo, must spend money on all the things he/she isn't able to provide themselves such as programing work, graphic design, ongoing grunt work, not to mention hundreds of hours a month in maintaining things...... anyone who thinks they can start from scratch and become the uber-affiliate overnight is completely out to lunch.
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Maybe I was a bit harsh. Lets go with absolutely no understanding of how or why this business works.Originally posted by After Shock MediaComment
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Originally posted by juve20
jesus man, you just don't get how annoying that is, do you? i will make sure no one I know promotes anything that you ever fly in your sig
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Been in this long enough to know what I am saying.Originally posted by pussyluver
I can see you've been in the biz along time and understand that being affiliate is just a rool-in-the hay... Fuck, the postman has to have an armed guard for all the checks. Just put up a FAKE TGP and you're in the money.
Oh do you have it together!! Don't do any creatives, don't buy traffic, don't worry about SEO, don't have to buy content, fuck everything is for free. Skip the scammers, the shavers, skip 2257 too...., traffic, oh it's free from google.
Read my lips --- Shut The Fuck Up!
First off understand the differences between a standard affiliate today and the select number of real affiliates who do actually work.
I have been an affiliate for a very long time and I do understand the work envolved, problem is very few "standard affiliate mindset" understand it.
I will stick with what I said. A program can do it by themselves and generally equal out to the same figures.Comment
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Tell her that after the shave it all evens out to 15% anyway.
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Time for a new sig, butt we do get the message.Comment
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I fully understand how and why this business works. So what if I take an unpopular opinion. Does it worry you or something if you know I am wrong, or is it possibly hitting a little to close to home.Originally posted by chadglni
Yes the super large programs are pretty much built by affiliates. Then again most also have timing on their sides as well. Fact is most sites that are not part of a giant program or who have not been around for the last 5+ years and specially smaller sites just starting out can take another route.Comment
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OK, agree. Many don't get the time really required. That's why the turn over...Originally posted by After Shock MediaComment
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Which model is it? Torri, Dakota, or Jayden?Comment
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Originally posted by Hardlinks
well if she ask the question, she dam sure won't understand your post.
Should just tell you WILL NOT send any traffic 2 her site, and if I knew which one was her site I wouldn't send any as of RAT now even if she paid me 75%, She's a moron.Epic CashEpic Cash works for me
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Torri...Originally posted by DonovanPhillipsCary | AIM: cheesefrog | ICQ: 4287002Comment
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I can only speak from my own experience, and according to that experience I am not wrong in the least.Originally posted by JaceXXX
Put it this way, one example happened many years back. I found an extreme niche fetish paysite that had zero affiliates. I struck a deal with the owner because I thought I could do well with promoting his stuff. That program, with ONE affiliate, increased it's membership by over 1/3 in a very short perdiod of time. I doubled his overall traffic back then and was paid whatever the standard affilliate payout was back then.
If he had of added in 100 or 200 more affiliates, well... it ain't rocket science as to what would have happened. And that's just one small example. I'm sure many program owners could tell you exactly how much they value the signups that their affiliates send each month, and why.
You're of course still entitled to think I'm wrong though. :D
Of course there are going to be exceptions.. but why complain? Bottom line for me is, I at one time had to put in a fucking TON of work to build and promote my sites in order that today I can "push a button" as someone said and make some money. It's still not that easy as far as I'm concerned, and the time it took to learn how to be able to "push that button" is valuable enough.Originally posted by JaceXXX
But hey, if every single paysite owner were to lower payouts right across the board then I guess affiliates would either have to suck it up, or develop their own pay sites and start taking 100% of the profits. :D
Most paysite owners I know don't seem all that hard done by for paying out what they do though, or offering other perks and incentives. I can think of several who live life pretty large the way things are, and they wouldn't be nearly so loaded without their hundreds or in some cases even thousands of affilates.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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you talk to the help?want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.Comment
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it's not a stupid question for somebody to ask who's not in this business - it's a very commission to pay on a sale. not sure what other business pays similar sales commissions - maybe none.
but as somebody else said earlier in the thread, that's a model to be worried about if she's already that suspicious - pay your models modeling fees.I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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She's delicious.Originally posted by CheeseFrog
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ask torri if she would like to spend a night with mePrograms that owe me money ---- Epassporte.com ~ $2700 | Protraffic.com ~ $2600 | XonDemand.com ~ $3000
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Just explain to her these very simple equations that I am sure any, well almost any, model can understand...
0+0=0
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Bottom line is, nothing said here by anyone is going to change the fact that:
a) I can send my traffic to another program if yours doesn't want to pay the industry standard
b) any paysite owner is free to not have an affiliate program and do it all on his or her own, and keep 100% of the profits.
c) I forgot what c was...
d) Saying that affiliates are needless is laughable to the programs whose affiliate base sends them 100's of signups per day (or more), they would sooner stab themselves in the face with a screwdriver than drop their affiliate program.
e) there is no e.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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Originally posted by CDSmith
very well said, and I agree on all counts
but I still think that programs should work on internal promotion far more than they do now, so they can increase profits overall without having to payout as much, thus reaping more benefitsComment
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Did anyone really say that exactly?Originally posted by CDSmithComment
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Non adult usually pays 10-15%
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it is laughable to those programs, i think mainly because they can't concieve a world without affiliates, which is sad...i think you should begin and ahcieve stardom without affiliates, and then just use your affiliates as sort of a tent around what you already built...Originally posted by CDSmith
but you are right, we all have our own opinions of how things should be run...and if someone is successful at what they are doing and living the high life, there is NO reason to change at all...if it works for you, then so be it
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sure... it only takes so much time to update your sites (and shoot content for those that do it).. and even with content management systems now, you can plan ahead updates.Originally posted by JaceXXX
so really if sites arent out self promoting.. they are wasting a lot of timeComment
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ding ding ding.....which is what I never understood in adult...mainstream does do that one thing right, being greedyOriginally posted by TurboTrucker
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"One of my models thinks...."
Are you positive on that?
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no shit...with the CMS's out now...the only hard part anymore is initial design, shooting the content and then editing it...once that is done you upload and you have shitloads of free time...so why not aim to be a better salesman than your biggest affiliate?Originally posted by AlkyComment
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Possibly some out there need to, yes. I know of several program owners that not only have a stable of affiliates but also buy paid spots and buy traffic all on their own, which in my book counts as working to reap more benefits.Originally posted by JaceXXX
Truth be known, I've done SEO work for more than a few paysites and paysite networks out there, which also shows that some are doing exactly what you're talking about. :DPromote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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It's nice to be able to carry on a debate/discussion without having some cocknocker beaking off at you, isn't it?
I wish this would happen more often here.
Guys, it's been a pleasure. :DPromote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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Originally posted by pussyluver
Time for a new sig, butt we do get the message.
Very good!!!Comment
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You couldn't hit further from home with me. I've never asked for anything from the sponsors I promote except for access to the content that is available to anyone else. I make my own sites, I have my own hosting, I get my own traffic, and I cash my check. That has absolutely 0 bearing on saying an affiliate is worth about 15% of a sale. What makes you think I would EVER send my traffic to someone that's going to give me 3% of what it's worth? It's already bad enough at 50%, nobody in their right mind would push a site at 15%.Originally posted by After Shock Media
Yes I know mainstream does it and mainstream is about 20 years behind the adult industry.Comment
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Glad you at least have some humorOriginally posted by pussyluver
Very good!!!
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Then by chance that means you are not the standard affiliate.Originally posted by chadglniComment
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I am willing to do this type of work. I am at the computer 12+ hours a day (for my regular gig) and I always need steady income. If anybody has any opportunities please hit me up on ICQ 272309063. Thanks.Originally posted by JaceXXXComment
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Would the almighty standard affiliates not go for something like this.
Per month:
0-2 sales 15%
2-4 sales 25%
5-7 sales 35%
8-9 sales 45%
10-20 sales 50%
21+ sales 60%
I still would imagine that the "standard" affiliates would bitch.Comment
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Originally posted by CDSmith
see what happens when actual professionals debate, and not trolls and idiots? LOL
i sit at my desk all day and eat (sometimes sleep) and breathe adult internet....which is more I can say for 90% of the people on this board
I wish I was doing more music work, but for now adult is paying the checks...i don't want to be a starving artist...LOLComment
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that actually isn't a bad fucking idea...the more sales, the higher the payoutOriginally posted by After Shock Media
some programs do this already, but nothing this drastic
but there are so many programs that will give you 65% off the bat, it would have to be an across the board thingComment
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Actually if a site could retain there is no reason why they could not do it.Originally posted by JaceXXX
To many build themselves up and around affiliate traffic from the get go. It has been my main point all along.Comment
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fire her
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I think it's cool that she's asking questions and taking an interest in "our" side of the business. Refer her to an affiliate program or two and help her get some traffic going to her ads.
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Originally posted by beemk
ROFLMAO
YA! What he said!
15% wouldn't cover the bandwidth that content would burn. Add in the time to crop/download/design/promote and you are in the hole.
Honestly, at 50% most affiliates are lucky to break even on the first couple sales. It's the recurring that makes it worth the effort, and single girl sites don't retain very well.Comment
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depends on the site, some sites that have a lower percentage can still make an affiliate more then pne that has a higher one.
the higher the payout the more ytour going to see shaving and other crap - also the lower payout site may convert allot better. Your math is flawed as it only looks at the main number, not the size of the end of month paycheck which in the end is what counts.
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Guess im the only sucker paying 75% then :helpOriginally posted by TurboTruckerIf I Told You I Could Make Your Paysite Sell +50% More With A Few Changes Would You Contact Me??
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Your links would be pulled and replaced with another sponsor. Simple.Originally posted by CheeseFrogComment
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But since what you're saying isn't going to happen, what's the point of laying out all these scenarios?Originally posted by After Shock Media
Why not fire up a program and try out your theories? Like I've said twice in this thread now... YOU might offer a lower payout, but the next 20 programs over there are offering more... so where do you think affiliates are going to send thier hits?
If you want affiliates to your program, you have to make it worth their while. It's not my fault that that's the way it is, that's just the way it is, period. It's called competition, and the pay sites who thrive on affiliates are all competing to get more of them in theirs rather than see them send their traffic to someone else's.
some of you it seems fail to see that every part of this business is in balance with every other part, TGP's, link lists, gallery submitters, SE guys, designers, pay site owners, admins, content producers... we are all in this together. Some are into traffic flow, others are into marketing, others are into generating the very product that surfers are trying to get to..... it's symbiotic really.
Can someone go it alone without affiliates? yes. Should everyone? No. And I'm just not comfortable with the kinds of comments that basically say affiliates are needless or are overpaid etc, because I'll tell you right now, any program owner that says that about his affiliates will get zero hits of my hard-earned traffic. That's a promise.Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!
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depends on the site, I retain about half my members for 3 - 4 months or more and have about a hundred that have been recurring since 1997
maybe you have been promoting the wrong sites or your program is just telling you they are not staying longer so they can make some money.
Originally posted by MrVidsMuscle/Fitness Adult Affiliate Program
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Thanks to the dumb bitch, we have a good business thread on GFY.Comment
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