Website For Sale

hit me up on ICQ at 5956902

I would be careful this is not her posting, this is her webmaster posting and she never gave an ok for him to sell the site, they actually kicked her out of her server and took all her access away. I just finished talkin to her on ICQ

I don't really know Kayla or if this is legit or not but I just got this ICQ:

"[18:37] Kayla: Hello Everyone,
I am messaging you to left you know that My webmaster has completely kicked me off my site and server, as to an agrument we had about the site. I have no access to my mail, site, and he is now posing as me on message boards including GFY go to post http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=481972
I wanted to let you know that I hope to get them in court and I also want to let everyone know that I will be doing another sit"


If you are thinking about buying this site from the poster you should probably sort out what is going on.

The person posting is her webmaster, she got into an argument and then he changed all her passwords and took away her access.

good luck with the sale.
whats the URL???

tony

Kayla- Unless your photographer was contracted under a work for hire agreement, he owns the copyright for the content. It would not be yours to sell or transfer

Is there anything we can do to help?

Have you made a new thread telling people the person posting is her webmaster? If not, i think you should. Alot of people dont read every post.

Wow, I feel sorry for Kayla It's pretty much her life he's selling..

This sucks if true. This should get interesting with all the contracts that I'm sure exist.

That account has apparently been hijacked. Can we get it temp banned before it makes any more crazy posts, and work on getting it back to her?


Lens, somebody, help?

Most people only read the first and last reply

Who said the account was hi-jacked, it has probably been the webmaster posting all along.

The only thing I know about this situation is what is posted in this thread.

As one who has run solo model sites, I would recommend that people not jump to conclusions and hear from both sides instead of rushing to judgement on a partial set of facts (although recent threads suggest that this is unlikely to happen).

The easy thing to do is to always take the model's side (especially for people who are not content producers and enjoy sucking up to models).

Some cautionary tales (all true):

My first site was a solo model site. Before we started, the feature model commited to being very involved with the site. She said she would do regular chats, video feeds, learn how to operate the site, etc. None of that happened.

When I hired her she didn't even know how to turn on a computer. I paid her 50% of all gross sales (while I paid for all of the overhead - hosting, advertising, outfits, location fees, transportation, show fees, equipment, other models, etc), plus I paid her to model per project from my share.

While she never learned to use a computer (although I offered to teach her numerous times), and basically did less than 10 hours a month of work on behalf of the site, which mostly consisted of being paid to model and being paid to make live appearances at various events, I spent 40+ hours a week (in addition to operating a mainstream business) creating and marketing the site.

Whatever money I had leftover after paying her and covering the overhead went right back into the site. In talking to others in the industry (comparing stats, Memberships numbers, etc) the site was doing pretty well, and grew practically every single month - yet that was never good enough for the model who constantly had fans/competitors blowing smoke up her ass that if she quit working with me and came to work for them she could make more, even though they had no proven history of results better than what I was producing.

Over time, things became increasingly difficult. The model would frequently be late or never show up at all for photo sessions, although I still had to pay for the other talent, locations, etc.

After awhile, months would go by without any returned calls or explanation for her sudden disappearances. When she did come back, she demanded advances on pay and other considerations.

The final breaking point came when first she asked me to take pictures of an underage person - which I flatly refused to do (I later figured out that she was probably doing this either to blackmail me or set me up for an arrest), and then she begged me to rent a car for her, since she didn't have a credit card and her car was in the shop.

I made her promise to return the car within a week, which she agreed to do. It took me about three months to track her and the car down. By that time I was out several thousand dollars, and was being threatened with grand theft by the car rental company (since my name was on the contract, and even though I had continued making payments while searching for the car).

For another model I paid $5,000 for a boob job, even though I had advised her against it. That money was to be applied to her earnings from a solo site she agreed to do with me (again for 50% of the gross, plus pay for modeling and expenses).

Within months of getting the boob job she bailed and the site was never launched.

I helped pay for braces for another model, and paid her enough to buy a new car and pay for college, yet she also bailed on a solo model site deal because her boyfriend was jealous (even though I never so much as gave her a hug in two years of working with her - plus her bf attended almost every one of her photo sessions with me - she was supporting him with money that I helped her generate).

On the other side, there truly are TFP/scam artist photographers who don't pay models, guys who register domains for models only to scam them out of their own name, or pay far less than I ever did (in most instances I have heard of the model either receiving a flat fee for modeling or else they got a percentage of the site - typically 50% net, not gross - and I never heard of others that paid both 50% of gross plus a fee for all modeling/appearances as I did).

I finally gave up on solo model sites. My main adult business now is my multi-model site. I have some spokesmodels who get paid extra for representing for the site, but for the most part I strictly contract models and performers to work on a per project basis.

Under this system, I make a lot more money with a lot less headaches.

I have a mucho empathy for models. My business couldn't succeed without them. Fortunately, probably 98% of my experiences with models have been good - maybe over 99% since I stopped doing solo model sites.

I know for certain there are people who I consider to be shady operators out there who tell models they will build them a solo site, however they register and own the domain themselves, and after they have shot a sufficient amount of content with the model (which they paid the model for on a per project basis), they then cut the model off and launch the site and reap all of the earnings from the site (which is substantially more than the model was paid simply for modeling).

They then seek out additional models to rip-off and create a network of sites that are in my opinion ultimately rip-offs for both the models and the Members.

I'm not sure how this Kayla Cruz situation will play out. All I am offering is some cautionary tales and the simple advice to not be too quick to jump to one side or the other until enough facts are in to make such a judgement.

This sort of contoversy and drama is sometimes a side-effect of this business we are in. I can say that my life is a lot more peaceful and my earnings are substantially higher as a result of what I have learned through my experiences.

Thank you for your patience with this long thread.

ADG Webmaster

Damn dude you got worked a few times... sucks to hear. I'm sure you have 0 problems finding asians out there in the bay area. I grew up in DC, worked downtown for about 4 years then moved to Vegas 2 years ago. When I go home it's like visiting another country...

I do miss the food

That chick looks like the lady that changed my oil this morning at midas. Who the hell joins these sites anyways.

When will solo site models learn to REGISTER THE DOMAIN NAME IN THEIR NAME!?!?!!?!! Also create the 3rd party billing account in your name. If he messes with the membership or billing and it's in your name then it's criminal charges for him. If you own the domain name he can lock you out of the site all he wants. All you have to do is point the name server for the domain to a new hosting company and your back up in no time. Keeping a backup from the site on your own computer is wise to do too.

I've worked with models before and ran their sites for them and I've know other webmasters who have done the same. IT NEVER works out. Either the webmaster is a dick or the model is a pain in the ass (or both). It always ends in a fight lol.