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So if I'm reading correctly, Lars is using a 'hes doing it so I can too' defense?
interesting.... I guess he missed class the day they went over business ethics.
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thats interesting. you didn't take the time to refute any of the posts about this. you didn't take the time to even address the concerns of webmasters sending you traffic... you just call people "sheep" and are now pointing the finger at others which has absolutely NOTHING to do with what happens when YOU buy scumware traffic and affiliates do not get credited for the sale that THEY worked hard to generate and YOU do.
maybe there is just a lot of confusion on the issue.
you can take the time to enlighten everyone and explain the process of how an user infected with zango finds cams.com or AFF?
explain the popups
we'll wait.
obviously no one gets it. you are partly to blame for that because you didn't explain it.
obviously you would want to be the one to explain it to clear the air. i mean you haven't done this yet in the 2 weeks that you have had to do so, so you must be really desperate and anxious at this point to sit down and explain how totally ethical it is.
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This thread is funny as hell
Affilates: you are ripping us off
Sponsor: So what, send more traffic
Affilates: you are ripping us off
Sponsor: So what, we're rasing payouts
Affilates: you are ripping us off
Sponsor: So what, netflix does it too, send more traffic, did I mention i have a lot of money?
and on and on and on.
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So if I send traffic from one of my sites to some cam or dating site and the words in the url of the site I'm sending to fit your target keywords, you should be allowed to pop an ad over the site I have sent the surfer to and have the first go at converting that surfer?
It seems to me, and and lot of other people that I have talked to on this board, that we as affiliates should be allowed to control the traffic we have worked so hard to get and not have it stolen away by someone using browser hijacking.Comment
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Lars do you own AFF 100%?Comment
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We do not pop the same site over the same site, and we use URL Tracking not cookies to determine who gets the sale. Affialites are getting proper credit for all sales. And I might add are quite happy with the huge checks we send out, and will be even happier this month when we up the pay even more.Comment
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if only it were that simple. unlike any other pop up add, these ones are not coming from the web site. that is the big difference. its a third party making these pop ups appear, hense the website the surfer is visiting gets nothing from it, and in fact often loses because of it. now surely you can see the difference.
as for uninstalling, i bet 80% of the time surfers think these pop up ads are coming from the websites. do you really think most know that installing these toolbars will do such things? maybe 20% do but most im sure downloaded them in the first place to get something from some misleading website. not because they wanted a stupid toolbar that they could get from google or msn without any pop ups.you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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Have you ever installed this software ?
They pop a popup occasionally that says hey this is what it is and if youw ant to remove it here are the things for you to do. I dont know how much more clear it can be than that plus every pop up has a bar under it stateing clearly where it is from.Comment
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HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAH!
ok... lets see if we are getting this straight.
1 - hardworking webmaster creates and builds site
2 - hardworking webmaster starts generating traffic
3 - hardworking webmaster sees "105.00 per join", thinks cams.com is great. Lars is wonderful and wants to send the highly ethical Lars traffic
4 - surfers go to webmasters site
5 - surfer has zago installed on his computer
6 - because of the site text/domain and other variables popup windows open on surfers computer
7 - hardworking webmasters affiliate code is not in those popups.
8 - sale goes to cams.com, sexsearch or whoever and webmaster gets no credit for it.
9 - Lars says "its not our fault that the sufer clicked the ad... whats the problem? he had a choice to ignore the ad.. but didn't, which absolves us of any responsibility for what you might percieve as unethical and stealing on our part"Comment
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question authorities, think for yourselfM&A QueenComment
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bahhhhhhhh bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhComment
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See this is just wrong. the surfer has 2 windows open he can close the pop up and continue on and join the site and the affialite gets full credit, or the surfer can subscribe to both sites. Oh and we are talking about one half of 1% of traffic. As long as I raise payouts more than one half of 1 % then the affialite is making more money overall. Oh and look I raise payouts all the time.
So the end result is Our affilaites are making more money than anyone else and you cant stand it.Comment
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no i haven't installed it but before i got a firewall installed on my pc many times without any consent had adware installed on my pc just by visiting sites and sure enough AFF was one that popped up among others. this was a few years ago but there was nothing saying where it came from or how to get rid of it. apparently things have changed due to the threatening legal landscape BUT>>>
no matter how clear it might be..why do you think its ok to use others content as a means for advertising over top of their own advertising?Last edited by BlackCrayon; 10-25-2006, 08:36 AM.you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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Lars you sending any of the twinks to NY for Ad Tech? I miss emComment
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Hmm somehow in latest time a lot of negative things about aff.But i heard negative thing even before.There is one site where they say something about fraud from aff but cant reccall what they saying exactly.Comment
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You're a bare-faced liar. And your post I quoted actually blames this all on the surfer. After all, if the surfer didn't click the popup then no-one's sales would be stolen.
ATTENTION GFY - LEGENDARY LARS IS CALLING YOU ALL C*NTS
It reminds me of the Chinpokomon episode from South Park in which the Japanese Emporer distracts attention from his plans to destroy the US by mentioning how large is the American penis.
Fast forward to 2 minutes exactlyComment
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Rule #1
DO NOT snap pictures as we drive by the UNITED NATIONS lolllllComment
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you mean like how when I send email to my customers and they are using a service like google email that insterts my competions links right into my email the one that I have a relationship with ? I understand where you are coming from but I disagree. The surfer has downloaded and accepted to get ads for use of software, you and I might think why would someone do that, I would not do that. Well I would not buy porn on the internet but I sure am glad somebody does.Comment
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ok,... let me get this straight... window pops up on surfer, he doesn't close it... he clicks a link, joins the site from the popup and the webmaster who sent that surfer to YOU gets zero credit for the sale correct?
wrong?
ohh... its a small % of traffic which makes stealing totally acceptable.Comment
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It reminds me of the Chinpokomon episode from South Park in which the Japanese Emporer distracts attention from his plans to destroy the US by mentioning how large is the American penis.
Fast forward to 2 minutes exactly
hahhahahahah that episode was so funny just emtioning it makes me laugh so hard.Comment
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You can call it "freedom of choice" all you want, but if your affiliate hadn't sent that person, you wouldn't have made a sale. Also, most of the people using Zango are idiots and have no idea what it is, what it does or how to remove it. Have you ever done tech support for a company? I have, and even the simplest things people don't understand.
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What part of this don't you get?You're a bare-faced liar. And your post I quoted actually blames this all on the surfer. After all, if the surfer didn't click the popup then no-one's sales would be stolen.
ATTENTION GFY - LEGENDARY LARS IS CALLING YOU ALL C*NTS
It reminds me of the Chinpokomon episode from South Park in which the Japanese Emporer distracts attention from his plans to destroy the US by mentioning how large is the American penis.
Fast forward to 2 minutes exactly
I have highlighted the important bits for you.....We do not pop the same site over the same site, and we use URL Tracking not cookies to determine who gets the sale. Affialites are getting proper credit for all sales. And I might add are quite happy with the huge checks we send out, and will be even happier this month when we up the pay even more.Last edited by Damian_Maxcash; 10-25-2006, 08:54 AM.Comment
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If the "popup traffic" that you purchase from zango and whatever other "adware" programs is so minimal why not just drop it and make your affiliates happy? With all the zango drama right now if AFF took a stance against zango I think it would get more recognition than another "we are raising payouts" promotion.-
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with free email providers you get the benefit of being able to send and recieve emails without any cost to you. what benefit do the people who install the zango toolbar get?
the surfer has agreed sure, and thats why people can get away with it but you know damn well people don't read terms, be it surfers or webmasters signing up to a program. like i said, i haven't installed these things but i have been promted to many times, by many other companies than just zango and the yes/no panel looks just like it would when agreeing to download flash or a codec.you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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The MySpace under my name does not refer to the myspace site at all, it means I live in my space of the world. As far a shill goes I've had this name since the conception of gfy and it has a very clear meaning www.speakeasy.net/speedtest <<<Pretty cool tool if you want to take a test drive
Now as far as an axe to grind, I beg to differ. I don't do any biz with you nor would I ever, you have openly admitted to being a cheat and a thief yet you are in denial to yourself. You also tell people that you will pay them more than any other sponsor, yet at the same time you are screwing all your affiliates out of their hard earned work and money. It is simply amazing that there are still some sheep that will follow you through the fields of deception, which means your unethical business practices and pure spewed bull shit is somewhat believable to a few sheep. Oh well continue with your charades, what goes around, comes around in the end.
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best backfiring thread. ever.254342256Comment
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