Is Windows Media Encoder the only option for high quality WMV encoding?

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  • mb
    Confirmed User
    • May 2001
    • 1550
    #1

    Is Windows Media Encoder the only option for high quality WMV encoding?

    I've heard Canopus Procoder is pretty good as well. Just looking to hear from people who have experience creating really high quality WMV movies.

    Is WME the fastest from a batching perspective?

    thanks,

    marc
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    • mardigras
      Bon temps!
      • Feb 2003
      • 14194
      #2
      I'd like an alternative too. Something on my system conflicts with WME and it locks up every time after clicking the encode button.
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        • candyflip
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          • Jul 2002
          • 43073
          #3
          I use VideoCharge. No complaints here.

          http://www.videocharge.com

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            • fris
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              • Aug 2002
              • 55789
              #4
              Originally posted by mb
              I've heard Canopus Procoder is pretty good as well. Just looking to hear from people who have experience creating really high quality WMV movies.

              Is WME the fastest from a batching perspective?

              thanks,

              marc

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                • mb
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                  • May 2001
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                  #5
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                    • mb
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                      • May 2001
                      • 1550
                      #6
                      Originally posted by candyflip
                      I use VideoCharge. No complaints here.

                      http://www.videocharge.com

                      I'm a stickler for quality. Have you ever compared the output of the video from videocharge to that of WME?

                      I've always heard that you can't get any better quality than with WME, so I'm hoping someone can tell me otherwise.

                      thanks.

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                        • mardigras
                          Bon temps!
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 14194
                          #7
                          Originally posted by candyflip
                          I use VideoCharge. No complaints here.

                          http://www.videocharge.com
                          I just tried the demo... any tips for using this program? My test clip turned out horrible (blocky and jerky).
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                            • mardigras
                              Bon temps!
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 14194
                              #8
                              Originally posted by mb
                              I'm a stickler for quality. Have you ever compared the output of the video from videocharge to that of WME?

                              I've always heard that you can't get any better quality than with WME, so I'm hoping someone can tell me otherwise.

                              thanks.
                              I like the quality of WME, it's perfect for what I need, but for some reason a few months ago it suddenly started locking up everytime I tried to use it (I've tried a complete uninstall/reinstall).
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                                • candyflip
                                  Carpe Visio
                                  • Jul 2002
                                  • 43073
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by mardigras
                                  I just tried the demo... any tips for using this program? My test clip turned out horrible (blocky and jerky).
                                  For me, it's just about tweaking the various settings. I don't know what sort of documentation the trial gives you, but when the program was upgraded...new docs came with it.

                                  As for comparing it to WME, I haven't done that. Sorry, can't help ya there.

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                                    • tony299
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                                      • Aug 2002
                                      • 57021
                                      #10
                                      for best quality it would be windows media encoder and its free

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                                        • directfiesta
                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                          • Oct 2002
                                          • 30176
                                          #11
                                          Canopus ProCoder ... multiple formats also!
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                                            • William-Xfactor
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Mar 2004
                                              • 299
                                              #12
                                              Been using Procoder 2 for a good 12 months or so and
                                              Honestly, pretty much the same quality results can be achieved with either procoder 2 or WME,
                                              At the end of the day the quality comes down to the quality of your source and the settings you apply during encoding.
                                              When you?re talking HQ wmv your talking 2 pass vbr.
                                              For versatility and batch processing, Procoder 2 wins easy. However it is slower with wmv encoding compared to WME. But who cares when you batch overnight.

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                                                • mardigras
                                                  Bon temps!
                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                  • 14194
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by candyflip
                                                  For me, it's just about tweaking the various settings. I don't know what sort of documentation the trial gives you, but when the program was upgraded...new docs came with it.

                                                  As for comparing it to WME, I haven't done that. Sorry, can't help ya there.
                                                  Well, I just used the broadband settings and came up with an almost acceptable clip as far as clarity, but still jerky. Over 8 megs for a 40 second clip.

                                                  I'll keep looking for other options
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                                                    • Nathan
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Jul 2003
                                                      • 3108
                                                      #14
                                                      Every single app that encodes WMV files uses the same thing to actually encode it. Unless the app does 50 other things while encoding, you won't find one faster than the other.
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                                                        • mardigras
                                                          Bon temps!
                                                          • Feb 2003
                                                          • 14194
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Nathan
                                                          Every single app that encodes WMV files uses the same thing to actually encode it.
                                                          While it may use the same codec, other aspects of the software can affect performance.

                                                          I had a good speedy encoding while demo'ing VideoCharge, faster than I remember WME doing the same clip.

                                                          WME will let me load the clip, choose my settings then go into "Not responding" shortly after I click the encode button. I've removed all other encoding software that I don't use trying to resolve any conflict. It worked fine for me forever until one day it developed this problem
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                                                            • Jace
                                                              FBOP Class Of 2013
                                                              • Jan 2004
                                                              • 35562
                                                              #16
                                                              i hear that Cleaner is fucking incredible, i have not had a chance to use it yet though....i have seen the results though, half the file size for the same quality as WME

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                                                                • Jace
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                                                                  • Jan 2004
                                                                  • 35562
                                                                  #17
                                                                  http://www4.discreet.com/cleanerxl/ for more info

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                                                                    • TheSaint
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                      • 991
                                                                      #18
                                                                      As said cleaner XL produces stunning wmv.

                                                                      And its batch oriented so you can setup jobs with tons of clips and go on a vacation, adds watermarks, filters, etc.
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                                                                        • DWB
                                                                          Registered User
                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                          • 31779
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by JaceXXX
                                                                          i hear that Cleaner is fucking incredible, i have not had a chance to use it yet though....i have seen the results though, half the file size for the same quality as WME
                                                                          Everyone told me the same but I used it and was not impressed. WME did the same quality job as Cleaner did for me. I could not see a difference between the two, and I was looking for one.

                                                                          But maybe I'm an idiot. Wouldn't be the first time.

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                                                                            • basschick
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                              • 2540
                                                                              #20
                                                                              sony's video vegas makes great wmvs, and video edit magic (much cheaper) also does a good job.

                                                                              i've been perfectly happy with ulead video toolbox's wmv's, too. and i think sorenson squeeze does wmv's.
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                                                                                • DWB
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                                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                                  • 31779
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by TheSaint
                                                                                  As said cleaner XL produces stunning wmv.

                                                                                  And its batch oriented so you can setup jobs with tons of clips and go on a vacation, adds watermarks, filters, etc.
                                                                                  I would like to see a screen shot of your Cleaner XL settings. My results were nothing above any other encoder.

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                                                                                    • Realwild-Terry
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • May 2003
                                                                                      • 856
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      sony's video vegas makes great wmvs, and video edit magic (much cheaper) also does a good job.

                                                                                      i've been perfectly happy with ulead video toolbox's wmv's, too. and i think sorenson squeeze does wmv's
                                                                                      YES we have been using Video Vegas it for 3 years and the new batch encoding rocks and has a shat load of options ..
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                                                                                        • mb
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                                                                                          • May 2001
                                                                                          • 1550
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Amazingly, there is no clear consensus here. This makes for quite an interesting discussion :-)

                                                                                          I was hoping I would hear a majority ruling regarding the best encoder for WMV, but everyone likes something different for different reasons. That tells me that they all must create similar quality video, albeit some take longer than others.

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                                                                                            • rich219content
                                                                                              Registered User
                                                                                              • Jan 2004
                                                                                              • 80
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              cleaner... ive tried 3-4 versions, all seemed to be tempermental, locked up quite a bit. features are very similar to pro coder imo.

                                                                                              cleaner on mac for sure
                                                                                              pro coder on windows

                                                                                              so long as you use the same codec the result should be the same or very similar in terms of quality. the issue may be that the more advanced applications offer more options and need to be setup correctly for the desired result. example: WME might only allow you to encode to standard HxW and use bicubic for resize while other applications might not be so strict.
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                                                                                                • SixNine
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                                                                  • 1357
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  This thread is worth it's weight in gold. Letting newbs flounder around encoding video is what allows video savvy webmasters to stay ahead of the pack!

                                                                                                  Cleaner6 on PC is garbage. Try loading 300 hosted movie clips into it (taint happenin'). Discreet did an awesome job of ruining this product between versions 5 and 6.

                                                                                                  Pro Encoder is the way to go. Droplets save all your presets and filter settings. SImply drop your clips on the desktop (droplet) icon and it loads them with little delay. IMO Pro Encoder also has better tools for manipulating encoding settings.


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                                                                                                    • TheSaint
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                                                      • 991
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
                                                                                                      I would like to see a screen shot of your Cleaner XL settings. My results were nothing above any other encoder.
                                                                                                      I'm just using the preset wmv settings at various bit rates. I haven't done any real side by side comparisions but the output was smaller and better than the way I previously did it.

                                                                                                      What I really like about Cleaner XL is the relative stability and batch features, especially the png watermark encoding. The interface is shit and its tempermental, but once installed on a fresh version of windows on a dedicated pc, its been flawless for 2 years, maybe one crash every 4 or 5 months.
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                                                                                                        • MassiveDollars - DonPaul
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Great thread tnx MB!

                                                                                                          Say I have 5 files, each 20-30 min RAW avi that I want to convert into one format, fex DVD quality with CD sound, what software can do that the easiest? I dont want several version of each clip, just one HQ clip of each AVI file

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                                                                                                            • CS-Jay
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                                                                                                              • Oct 2003
                                                                                                              • 1794
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              I gotta agree with all the cleaner people. I've used cleaner xl for over 8 months now, and it is very tempermental. But I don't make high quality videos. Ususally we are trying to get the smallest size possible, while having a decent video. I've found that you have to run cleaner all by it's self to get the fucking thing not to crash. Also, starting out with a nice .avi is what cleaner likes the most.
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                                                                                                                • kernelpanic
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                                                                                                                  • Jan 2005
                                                                                                                  • 2961
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Adobe Premiere will, although its rather pricey.


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                                                                                                                    • SGS
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                                                                                                                      • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                      • 5176
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Used discreet cleaner for years with excellent results and no problems but unless you are using it on a dedicated video editor/encoding machine you are wasting your time. Sony Vegas is good as well as is WME of course but encoding video is like anything else and a lot of time spent on trial and error tweaking settings pays dividends.
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                                                                                                                        • Shoplifter
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                                                                                                                          • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                          • 5863
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Realwild-Terry
                                                                                                                          YES we have been using Video Vegas it for 3 years and the new batch encoding rocks and has a shat load of options ..
                                                                                                                          Yep Sony Vegas is the one.

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                                                                                                                            • Centurion
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                              • 6033
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by mardigras
                                                                                                                              While it may use the same codec, other aspects of the software can affect performance.

                                                                                                                              I had a good speedy encoding while demo'ing VideoCharge, faster than I remember WME doing the same clip.

                                                                                                                              WME will let me load the clip, choose my settings then go into "Not responding" shortly after I click the encode button. I've removed all other encoding software that I don't use trying to resolve any conflict. It worked fine for me forever until one day it developed this problem

                                                                                                                              WME does the same thing to me..hit "encode" and it just locks up!
                                                                                                                              I've tried so many different settings and variables it's crazy!
                                                                                                                              If anyone has had it lock up on them before and figured out WHY it did that..would love to hear from you on that one!

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                                                                                                                                • mardigras
                                                                                                                                  Bon temps!
                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2003
                                                                                                                                  • 14194
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Centurion
                                                                                                                                  WME does the same thing to me..hit "encode" and it just locks up!
                                                                                                                                  I've tried so many different settings and variables it's crazy!
                                                                                                                                  If anyone has had it lock up on them before and figured out WHY it did that..would love to hear from you on that one!
                                                                                                                                  It's got to be a conflict with some other program(s) we have on our systems.
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                                                                                                                                    • eamedia
                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                      • 1456
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      The quality or bitrate can only be as high as the speed of the end user..... I find that 700kbps produces a fine quality that is streamable to the average dsl or cable user. But for a lan user you can bump that up to 1000kbps.
                                                                                                                                      And I love to encode with Videocharge while im sleeping.....a batch is a beautiful thing.

                                                                                                                                      Id check out videocharge...its only like 60 bucks.

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                                                                                                                                        • cypocrypt
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                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                                          • 1851
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          ive used cleaner xl and sony vegas...id recommend either one

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                                                                                                                                            • leg4
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                                                                                                                                              • May 2003
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