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heh, so owned..Originally posted by $5 submissions
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WOJOWNED lolOriginally posted by wojheh, so owned..Comment
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As I said I made a challenge. You want to PROVE it? Do it. Then do my challenge. I didn't ask if YOU could get a house with no money down. I said ME. If you can, put your money where your mouth is or STFU. It's really that simple. I sure as hell can prove I can get turned down for a no money down loan relatively easy.Originally posted by jonesyComment
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J$tyle$ you lived here in s fla at one point right? you should check out the real estate here. and if you make it to internext in aug it be great to meet ya.Originally posted by J$tyle$LOL
It's obvious that you know little to nothing about real estate or simply purchasing a home.
THE OFFER WASN'T ZERO!
I offerend them $530K for the house ... the bank/mortgage company pays them - doesn't matter what the down payment is. Do you realize that there are 100 different ways to creatively finance a property? Every situation is different. Good credit, bad credit, no credit, rich, poor, whatever. All you have to do is be savy.
You're a somewhat funny guy, but it's apparent from your posts over the last couple weeks (in MANY threads) that you're arm chair quarterback who's VERY OPINIONATED but has little real world experience.
Best of luck in whatever you do!
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WTF is it with people that think I( or anyone else ) should care what they look like an ANONYMOUS message board. And you talk about OTHER people being ignorant? Hmmmm no one knows me or will ever know me and will never meet me yet I should care if they think I'm a moron or not? Hell I wouldn't care WTF you( or anyone ) thought of me if we were in the same fucking room.EDUCATE yourself on the topic before replying again unless you want to make yourself look like more of a moron than your already making yourself out to beComment
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Originally posted by GatorB
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Hmmm 36( and you are how old? ) and very little world experience? I guess I must be living in cave with Ossama somewhere. Maybe I should turn him in for the $25 mil. Opinionated? Hmmmmmm, you don't have opinions? If you do and you express them you are acting OPINIONATED by the way. Try looking in the mirror. Jesus said something about casting the first stone or something.Originally posted by J$tyle$Comment
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Yeah, years ago I lived in Miami for a little while. Good timesOriginally posted by jonesyJ$tyle$ you lived here in s fla at one point right? you should check out the real estate here. and if you make it to internext in aug it be great to meet ya.
Investment wise, I'd consider FL, although I couldn't live there again
I'll be at Internext for sure. Would love to meet up, man!
Always enjoy reading your posts, jonsey!
I'm out - heading to San Diego in the morning for that Cybernet Expo show.
Hit me on ICQ sometime!
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I'm 37 and age has nothing to do with real world experience.Originally posted by GatorB
It just seems to me that you've spent an awful lot of time here lately expressing your opinions like they are fact. I didn't cast any stones, just expressed and observation based on what I've read from you.
Not that you need any advice or care what anyone has to say, but you'd probably be able to buy a house if you spent more time researching HOW TO instead of typing meaningless diatribes based on your opinions on a nightly basis.
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Don't waste your time with him, he speaks lots of times about subjects he clearly doesn't know shit about..Originally posted by J$tyle$I'm 37 and age has nothing to do with real world experience.
It just seems to me that you've spent an awful lot of time here lately expressing your opinions like they are fact. I didn't cast any stones, just expressed and observation based on what I've read from you.
Not that you need any advice or care what anyone has to say, but you'd probably be able to buy a house if you spent more time researching HOW TO instead of typing meaningless diatribes based on your opinions on a nightly basis.
As for this topic, I can't say i've read the whole book, but from what I've read so far I must say the book is more "inspirational" than really helpfull (at least so far)
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I think the combination of how simplistic the book is and how successful it has been is a little frightening.
It makes me think of all the people out there that go spend $50,000 on a car and think they just increased their asset base.I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.Comment
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Actually, he uses that car example to illustrate one of the basic dimensions of asset v. liability.Originally posted by BRISKComment
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Interesting how this thread turned from discussing how a certain author might be opening people's eyes with what to do with their lifes... into how real estate with a certain type of financing is a good way to make money overnight or not.
It's like all those people who wait for that one single great stock IPO deal and get rich overnight.. and they wait all their life and they can't figure out why it never happend..
That's not the point. The point is not a unqiue specific technique. The point is not real estate, or stocks, or running a franchise business. The point is if you want to be employer or employee all your life. That's all there is to it.Comment
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Good points.Originally posted by David - PG
Just to clarify. I didn't set out to buy my house "no money down". I researched what it would take to purchase a house in general and it just so happened that the situalion allowed me to do this. It really was all circumstance.
and i'm glad it worked out that way.
I haven't purchased any properties since although I plan to later this year.
But you are correct, the point of his book is if you want to be employer or employee all your life.
I've owned seveal businesses in the past 9 years. All successful in their own right until their respective market turned downward and they were no longer viable. I've adapted and changed and contiued to build successful businesses each time.
It's all about timing and perseverance. Although not a blueprint, I take very seriously - the quote in my sig:
Things may come to those who wait, but only things left by those who hustle
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I didn't mean to address your posts in particular with my above reply, not at all. It was just something I know happens a lot when you talk to people about investing. After a few minutes it's all about this one super hot deal they heard a friend once made and now they're waiting for theirs. Reality is, it probably will never come to them, at least not out of thin air without them being proactive about it.
Here's my quote, the great Tyler Durden from Fight Club:
"God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off. "Comment
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Rich Dad is great for getting you to look at your finances in a different way. You have to take the new way of looking at things and apply it to your situation, if you are looking for the book to hold your hand, its not going to happen, since it's pretty scarce when it comes to details.Show me the pistil porn!Comment
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GatorB - they recently changed their name, but there is a large lender formerly known as First Franklin - as long as your scores are 620 or above, they will finance you 100%. now how much you qualify for is obviously tied to your monthly income. they will approve you for a certain amount based on your prior 12 months checking account deposit history. unless you have really bad credit, they'll get it done at 100%. google terms like bad credit and 100% financing to get some leads. note - i'm assuming you live in the US - outside of the US things can be very different....Comment
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i got it.. its nice book ..and its about the way of thinking.Comment
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Yep. How is the 'homework assignment' coming along? ICQ me later.Originally posted by adonthenetComment
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Originally posted by J$tyle$Yeah, years ago I lived in Miami for a little while. Good times
Investment wise, I'd consider FL, although I couldn't live there again
I'll be at Internext for sure. Would love to meet up, man!
Always enjoy reading your posts, jonsey!
I'm out - heading to San Diego in the morning for that Cybernet Expo show.
Hit me on ICQ sometime!
hey man thanks for the compliment - i lived out in LA for 15 yrs moved back to s fl a few yrs ago because of a family health matter otherwise id still be out there. I miss it a lot and i visit when i can.
definitly check out for shits and giggles whats going on down here real estate wise for investments from orlando down to homestead - its going to end by late fall is my feeling.
have a good time in SD and ill hit ya up soon
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Whonin teh fuck are you tocomment on anyone/ who died and made you God. You havea lot of never. WTF do YOU know about anything since you claim to be an Einstein. No need to be an ASSHOLE.Originally posted by Rui
I have done NOTHING to you personally to deserve that comment. That's NOTHING as in ZERO, NADA, NIL. Prove otherwise. Geez what a jerk.
I'd have to say at least J$tyle$ was rather polite in his assement of me even though I disagree with him. Why don't take a lesson from him.
I'm not going to even bother with you. I usually give assholes more than one shot, but I'm tired of waiting for jerks to act like adults so I'll just put you on ignore now. Not that you care( because you shouldn't ) just letting know so you don't look like a retard posting to me when I'm not going to be able to read it. There are a couple of dipshits that still post posts right after mine that I'm 99% sure have something to do with me. Can't be 100% sure because I can't read them because they are on ignore, yet they still post to me. How retarded is that? Anyways have a nice day.
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It is helpful to most people who read it. It's surprising how many of the principles he passes on to the reader are completely foreign to them. Some people that read the book already knew what he was talking about but still a lot of people heard it for the very first time. If it takes this book to pass on the knowledge that will help them feed their kids and help their lives it is a helpful book IMHO.I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...
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Great book.
Upon reading it, I -
Cleaned up my credit.
Took financials seriously.
Quit wiping my ass with $100 bills.
Have begun buying assets and dreaming up ways to afford to buy more.
Dropped all of my high school friends with no prospects.
Realized why certain friends I have seem so fucking annoying.
Realized why I and my friends still live in our home town (and why I no longer will be).
Bought a car outright. Have been putting the interest I would have paid into stocks.
Pay my car insurance yearly and invest the hidden finance charge incurred on monthly/ quarterly payments.
Like $5's, I see my $1500 invested in 3 - 19 and 20 inch flat panels as an investment in my company (and it pays me back when I get so much more work done per day).
A HUGE change is in how I see paying for converting traffic. I used to think that paying $70 to net $70 ($140 gross) was just pissing me off... Now I think spending less than $1000 a week on traffic is stupid... especially since the deal you get, it is more than 100% profit. Closer to 133%. I hope that eventually I will see $10,000 a month on traffic as a good investment pulling in $15,000 in profit... Just need to work up a float.Comment
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Another thing...
When you go to a seminar on buying foreclosures, you need to be a hustler. That older retired couple to your left? They will not be making any money. That young A.D.D. kid to your right? He will never amount to anything until he gets his meds...
If you cannot go to a seminar on something and make money, you probably aren't making shit here either. GFY is the seminar of the adult industry. Look how many troll mother fuckers are here. But look at the success stories. See a pattern? About the same ratio as Carlton Sheets stories of success and failure.
Take it a step further. Look at your block. About the same amount of success vs. failures....Comment
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Yep. It definitely pushed me to clear up my school debts and pay for things in cash instead of credit.Originally posted by PornwolfComment
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I read a couple of ?self help? type books and swore them off as simply ?inspirational? rather then ?helpful?. I found that as with other forms of entertainment, they provoked an emption, but did not foster any action on my part.
I read Rich Dad, Poor Dad after it was recommended to me by DH - he swears by the book. I liked the proverbial manner that the information was presented. The stories told by ?Rich Dad? to the two young boys really hit home and reflected what it has taken me a few years to learn.
As the book progressed, I found that there was some really interesting information that really made me think, and to a certain degree, even effected the way that I do things in my day-to-day life.
The best part of the book was as other people have said, the ?assets vs. liabilities?. The small amount of accounting that I know taught me about assets and liabilities, but I never really put it into perspective and application in my life before reading and absorbing the book.
The worst part of the book was the implication that anyone can be great at the real estate game. It takes a lot of hard work, time, dedication, kindness, and stress to make money in real estate; it sure isn?t easy. However, if you have the right temperament, organizational skills, and resources, there is a lot of money to be made in real estate. However, the same has been said for the stock market during the .com bubble.
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Good adviceOriginally posted by jonesy its annoying when people on this baord call bullshit when its apparent they have no clue what they are talking about.
About the Rich Dad Poor Dad books, I found them worth the time it took to read them.
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I've learned a lot from reading the SEC annual reports of public companies.Originally posted by breaker
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Originally posted by GatorB You don't think wealthy people are "real"?
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Sorry man but you are still a clueless moron....Originally posted by GatorBWhonin teh fuck are you tocomment on anyone/ who died and made you God. You havea lot of never. WTF do YOU know about anything since you claim to be an Einstein. No need to be an ASSHOLE.
I have done NOTHING to you personally to deserve that comment. That's NOTHING as in ZERO, NADA, NIL. Prove otherwise. Geez what a jerk.
I'd have to say at least J$tyle$ was rather polite in his assement of me even though I disagree with him. Why don't take a lesson from him.
I'm not going to even bother with you. I usually give assholes more than one shot, but I'm tired of waiting for jerks to act like adults so I'll just put you on ignore now. Not that you care( because you shouldn't ) just letting know so you don't look like a retard posting to me when I'm not going to be able to read it. There are a couple of dipshits that still post posts right after mine that I'm 99% sure have something to do with me. Can't be 100% sure because I can't read them because they are on ignore, yet they still post to me. How retarded is that? Anyways have a nice day.
Edit: Funny the fact you bitch about me not beeing polite while you act as you are the king of the world...
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I found it very helpful, since i read it a year and a half ago i have purchased 3 revenue properties with a total of 10 suites.
I've been trying to read more and more of their books, and find i learn something from each one!
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This thread has inspired me to buy more property.i buy massive xxx dating traffic.Comment
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The best part of the book, for me, was when Kiyosaki worked for free for his "Rich Dad." Initially, he thought he was being chumped then he realized that it was a lesson in learning how to spot opportunities. He worked for free in a convenience store and realized an opportunity in getting free comic books (with the covers torn off by the distributor). He saw a revenue model in sourcing these free comics and renting them out to other kids.
Priceless lesson. Also, it brought back memories of my grade school here in the Philippines. My mom (who was in the USA already) would always send me around a dozen comic books every month. Instead of throwing them out, I'd rent them out to my classmates.
The object lesson of that chapter is that learning to spot opportunities is more important than learning to earn a salary.Comment
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Get a free account at NY times and read this http://www.nytimes.com/indexes/2005/...ational/class/
What do you think about this?
It says that America has even less social mobility than some European countries and that it is a generaly "myth" that America is the land of opportunity. People who are born poor are likely to stay there and sometimes education does not even help because it puts people in debt.
It also said that it usually takes a few generations for an American family to move up from one class to another...
America has social classes like most Euro countries, it's just that most people are not aware of it and think that everyone is equal, when instead there are fine classs lines which are almost impossible to cross.Last edited by phogirl69; 08-07-2005, 02:37 PM.Comment
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This article would make sense if you view your own financial and personal mobility based on trends and what is happening to other people. Ultimately it is up to the INDIVIDUAL to make things happen in their lives.
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Since you bumped this thread, I'll reply to this postOriginally posted by $5 submissions
This really is true. I've found that whenever I'm one step ahead of the game everything goes much smoother -- while everyone else is "scrambling" to get into the same position.
I'm in college right now, and I'm already running my own profitable business. When my friends are going to be scrambling to find a job I'm going to be working on doubling my income.
...as for this article in the NY Times.. I see lots of very smart, successful people coming from countries most Americans would never want to live in. A lot of American's have bullshit attitudes and they won't do anything for themselves beyond what the "have to do." Thats their problem, not the Democrats, Republicans, or anyone else's.Comment
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You are so right on the money. My parents came to the US with less than $50 in their pockets. They ended up owning their own home and some other properties--not bad, considering that they came with almost nothing. Whether someone makes it or not depends completely on a person's attitude. My mom always kept telling me "Don't be afraid to start from nothing--just be happy they let you start at all." So I finished college and grad school and owned/own a couple of businesses. Same with my other family members, my uncle came to the US with no money and couldn't speak decent english. Before he passed away he had several properties and a nice net worth. It isn't the lemon that life gives you but the lemonade you turn it into.Originally posted by warlock5
If one's attitude is "GIVE me something so I can live" then that person can only go so far. But if the person is motivated less by fear and greed but manipulates and controls those impulses then he gets much further. This is the lesson in the first section of "Rich Dad Poor Dad" when his "Rich dad" had him work at a store for ZERO $.Comment
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That was the best book I have ever read. Changed my whole outlook on life.Comment
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It's true it depends on the individual but I still find this interesting tho:
From the article:
One surprising finding about mobility is that it is not higher in the United States than in Britain or France. It is lower here than in Canada and some Scandinavian countries but not as low as in developing countries like Brazil, where escape from poverty is so difficult that the lower class is all but frozen in place.
Those comparisons may seem hard to believe. Britain and France had hereditary nobilities; Britain still has a queen. The founding document of the United States proclaims all men to be created equal. The American economy has also grown more quickly than Europe's in recent decades, leaving an impression of boundless opportunity.
But the United States differs from Europe in ways that can gum up the mobility machine. Because income inequality is greater here, there is a wider disparity between what rich and poor parents can invest in their children. Perhaps as a result, a child's economic background is a better predictor of school performance in the United States than in Denmark, the Netherlands or France, one recent study found.
"Being born in the elite in the U.S. gives you a constellation of privileges that very few people in the world have ever experienced," Professor Levine said. "Being born poor in the U.S. gives you disadvantages unlike anything in Western Europe and Japan and Canada."
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"There is no reason to doubt the old saw that the most important decision you make is choosing your parents," said Professor Levine, the Berkeley economist and mobility researcher. "While it's always been important, it's probably a little more important now."Comment
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Downloading Rich Dad Poor Dad...Comment
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Well, my opinion is that it has a lot to do with how rich your family is. Kids from wealth families have a HUGE advantage beause they can send their kids to those exclusive prep-schools which are basically training grounds for ivy-leagues and afterwards the kids can go to Ivy Leagues where they most importantly socialize with other kids whose parents are probably influential senators and ceo's of Fortune 500's.
Sometimes it's not enough to go to an average university and just get a degree, the connections are the most important and it's hard for someone who is middle class to mingle with "high-society". People who are not wealthy have to take loans to go to college and work hard to pay them off afterwards plus don't have the connections to mingle with high society in order to get the most prestigious jobs.
Wealthy to me are those old-money families that you in NewYork society pages who summer in the Hamptons and go to Nantucket such as the Hearst families... Someone who is born average is not likely to be able to move up to those circles and associate with high class people like that.
I also notice that people that i know who are not rich usually put off going to school because they need to work in order to support themselves,and they end up getting "stuck" in their jobs and can never get out of it.
Also rich kids are more likely to get better guidance from their parents... if someone is born poor sometimes even their parents just "don't know any better" and can't show them the ropes as to how to move up.
So i think it is very difficult for a poor person to make it, the odds are a million against one.Last edited by phogirl69; 08-07-2005, 06:58 PM.Comment
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I can't believe some of the posts in here.
I am about to start selling 50-60 homes every month starting this month and our investor buyers are getting them no money down.
National statistic: 25% of all homes sold last year were no money down
I have read 300+ books, tapes, and seminars over the last 2 1/2 years and they are all worth it and give you great ideas. You just have to learn from them and apply them.
I am going to pay $5000 for 5 days to see an instructor teach me concepts and 400 others in Florida and it's well worth it. The guy is probably worth $500mil+ Every one of these books is worth every dollar, you have to keep learning and learning and you'll see how those concepts were so valuable.
and all the infomercials and the no money down stuff is all real
I can buy a home with owner financing every single day of the week no money down, I can own homes the same day I talk to a seller and buy unlimited
I can write off millions and millions of dollars on tax write offs
read all the books their are so many concepts in the books that you haven't heard or will never hear.
Go to your local real estate clubs, if you go to even 4-5 in a row you may just leave this biz all together. You don't have to believe me.Comment
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I've been reading the books, they are pretty good and really make you think outside the box if you haven't been. I put alot of the info to use just in my online businesses. So they have already paid off for me. Good reading and I would recommend them to anyoneComment
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well if it inspires you I think in a way that help in itself so I think its inspirational and helpful. great read I must say.Comment
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