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Originally Posted by TeaseumGirls
So what is the UN? The UN is basically the United States no one else supports it like us. China and Russia don't count for shit... UN might as well be a referee between to fighters who respect the ref but if they don't ref is just a "figure" who watches shit go down. And when the world crys help and United States says GFY you bitch when we try and help, and bitch when we don't... Whats one to do? go beg china, russia, india and etc...
Its fucked no matter how you look at it..
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The UN, least as far as the US is concerned, is a punching bag. An organization which in any way represents the international community will, by it's nature, become an obstacle course of any countries with a different agenda to that of the international community. By the way, it's worth noting the US has been the country which, by far, has placed objections on the table at the UN. Prob one of the most recent "obstacle courses" was the bickering and delay on a ceasefire in Israel/Palestine which extended that even by more weeks than necessary. Why? The US was not ready to stop the Israeli invasion and agree to the resolution on the table. Speaks volumes.
China and Russia count for shit do they? Interesting to learn new stuff - I never knew that. Both are substantial nations and both are members of the UN Security Council.
Sure the UN is a referee, they serve a purpose in many areas and at many levels. They are also as effective as their members countries. When the UN calls for troops in whatever parts of the world, this has always been a struggle in assembling those troops - it's not exactly thru a lack of effort on the part of the UN. As opposed to the UN sitting back and watching "shit go down", it may be more relevant to address the member country failure in supporting the UN. It is the membership who are watching "shit go down" - the UN is their "club" - they are all members of the international community.
Looking back in history, I can't recall the world crying for US help. What date was that? Also can't recall much begging for help from the US, China, Russia or India. Must have also missed that day.
Bottom line - what has the UN or any other nation got to do with the problems and adventures of the US?? The US admin chose to follow a certain path and made a bed to lie in. It is not to the benefit of other countries that it selected that path. Despite that, little doubts support would be forthcoming from other nations if these was justifiable action required leading to the resolution of a crisis or whatever. The unfortunate scenario here is that the US has lost so much credibility - it's a damage limitation exercise and the sooner that starts the better, both for US folks and the rest of the world.
BTW.. Re your comment on Powell - inclined to agree. Least he has a clue of what war means and prob would command more respect all round than the current occupant of the White House.