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  • SykkBoy2
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    • Feb 2001
    • 19969
    #51
    Originally posted by Alex
    Yea, but by the next page or so, someone is bound to be called an idiot and this opinion sharing thread will go down quickly
    yeah, someone will come in and fuck it up for us ;-)

    I don't think you are an idiot at all, we just have differing opinions. I've read your posts before and feel you offer a different perspective, but it doesn't mean I always agree just as I don't expect everyone to always agree with me.
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      • Alex
        So Fucking Banned (YEA!!)
        • Jun 2004
        • 10963
        #52
        Originally posted by SykkBoy2
        I agree, but there IS a contingent of loyal customers.

        However, like my example above, if you have a niche site that is teen, or maybe it's a narrow niche like balloons. Your members might also be interested in pantyhose or feet. Why not offer them a quality site that will offer them those niches? If you don't sell them on it, someone else will.

        Right, but in some cases.

        The members' area of a Teen Site, will have another upsell to a different Teen site.

        That is wrong, becuase the surfer wont need to be a member at TWO teen sites at once.
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          • Alex
            So Fucking Banned (YEA!!)
            • Jun 2004
            • 10963
            #53
            Originally posted by SykkBoy2
            yeah, someone will come in and fuck it up for us ;-)

            I don't think you are an idiot at all, we just have differing opinions. I've read your posts before and feel you offer a different perspective, but it doesn't mean I always agree just as I don't expect everyone to always agree with me.
            I take it you promote mainly pps?
            Care about me?
            Who?
            Me!
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              • xxxice
                Confirmed User
                • Feb 2002
                • 5042
                #54
                Why are you attacking him for his opinion?

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                  • fedfest
                    Confirmed User
                    • May 2002
                    • 1334
                    #55
                    Originally posted by SykkBoy2
                    having a few banners or recomendations to other sites in your members areas is not the same as a popup hell/active x installer.

                    Think of it this way as a site owner. You have a loyal customer base who lvoes you and your product and more improtantly they TRUST you. Why wouldn't you then make money from that trust my offering them other things to buy? Keep an eye on who you're upselling to and now you have reucrring income from them as a member who trusts you and the sites you recomend and recurring income from the upsell.
                    Try looking at it the other way round, from your affiliates point of view..

                    You have a site you've build up with a loyal base of bookmarkers that trust your advice and you send them to a site you recomended and promised them was a great site for it's topic..
                    Now surfer get membership to a site that is stuffed with advertising and just trying to sell him off to the next site, instead of trying it's best to give him his moneys worth..

                    Would that surfer trust your affiliates advice about a paysite again.. Hell no !

                    So he just lost a surfer he himself could have sold 2-3 memberships to, and on top of that get no recurring revenue for selling him off to you..
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                      • shermo
                        #56
                        Originally posted by Alex
                        Yea, but by the next page or so, someone is bound to be called an idiot and this opinion sharing thread will go down quickly
                        "And you are too stupid to reallize taht you are promoting sponsors via pps. So you dont care what happens next, but it's different when it is revshare."

                        I believe you already resorted to that...Just in different words.

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                          • SykkBoy2
                            Jesus loves bacon
                            • Feb 2001
                            • 19969
                            #57
                            Originally posted by vanderweb
                            I agree but soon we will get angry sponsors here telling us they are tired of us complaining. Ok I want to push traffic to them LOL
                            Well, it can get tiring listening to the complaining. Nothing is worse than pouring a shitload of money into a site/program, working your ass making it work and function and then have it trashed.

                            Speaking of traffic, let's talk some swaps. I have some side projects. Who knows maybe we'll find some common ground on a few things and it'll benefit both of us (and I won't send your traffic to a popup hell ;-))
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                              • xxxice
                                Confirmed User
                                • Feb 2002
                                • 5042
                                #58
                                Originally posted by SykkBoy2
                                Well, it can get tiring listening to the complaining. Nothing is worse than pouring a shitload of money into a site/program, working your ass making it work and function and then have it trashed.

                                Speaking of traffic, let's talk some swaps. I have some side projects. Who knows maybe we'll find some common ground on a few things and it'll benefit both of us (and I won't send your traffic to a popup hell ;-))
                                Sounds good man. Please contact me Icq or email in sig

                                Or I can contact you if you would like

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                                  • Alex
                                    So Fucking Banned (YEA!!)
                                    • Jun 2004
                                    • 10963
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by shermsshack
                                    What are you talking about? The more I read your posts, the more I realize that you are a drama queen who takes things to extremes. You assume that if anybody has a different opinion than yourself, then they are idiots/cheaters/scumbags. You're a pornographer. Open your mind and realize that diversity is what makes this industry unique.

                                    I send traffic to Revshare based on retention. They can sell bags of dogshit in their members area for all I care, as long as they convert and retain. In the end retention is all that matters. They have a qualified surfer in their area...Why not upsell to a different niche to recoup some of their costs for maintaining an affiliate program?

                                    Keep your childish insults to yourself. If you want something 100% customized to your needs, get off your ass and do it. Nobody wants an affiliate that bitches as much as you do anyways.
                                    Jesus, what are you on. You need to stop thinking that just becuase someone doesnt agree with you, doesnt mean they are wrong in everything they say.

                                    Why would i want to start drama and how would i ? I havent named any sponsors, i dont get paid to sig whore per post/impressions.

                                    You are just to narrowminded to realize that i want a diff opinion from everyone, but it doesnt mean i will agree with them all.

                                    Now i will allow you to continue insulting those that disagree with you.
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                                      • SykkBoy2
                                        Jesus loves bacon
                                        • Feb 2001
                                        • 19969
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by Alex
                                        I take it you promote mainly pps?
                                        nope, I always advocate and use about 50/50 revshare vs. PPS
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                                          • NTSS
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Mar 2005
                                            • 5688
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by Alex
                                            Some sponsors that i push retain for 4+ mos.
                                            Others barely get passed the trial signup.

                                            I checked up some of the members' areas and they have the content and seem to update regurlary, but the upsells are everywhere.

                                            How can you run a revshare program and then send the members your affiliates bring elsewhere.
                                            Good point
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                                              • xxxice
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                                                • Feb 2002
                                                • 5042
                                                #62
                                                This drama is uncalled for that is for sure

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                                                  • Alex
                                                    So Fucking Banned (YEA!!)
                                                    • Jun 2004
                                                    • 10963
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by shermsshack
                                                    I believe you already resorted to that...Just in different words.
                                                    I didnt call you an idiot for your opinion, you are confusing what you are saying.

                                                    You were explaining how you dont care what happens next when you send a sale to a sponsor, buit thats because you are obviously promoting them with a PPS program. If it was revsharem you would care.
                                                    Care about me?
                                                    Who?
                                                    Me!
                                                    Who?

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                                                      • Alex
                                                        So Fucking Banned (YEA!!)
                                                        • Jun 2004
                                                        • 10963
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by SykkBoy2
                                                        nope, I always advocate and use about 50/50 revshare vs. PPS
                                                        So wouldnt you want the revshare program sites to retain as long as possible and do what every they can to keep him as a member to thier site
                                                        Care about me?
                                                        Who?
                                                        Me!
                                                        Who?

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                                                          • SykkBoy2
                                                            Jesus loves bacon
                                                            • Feb 2001
                                                            • 19969
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by fedfest
                                                            Try looking at it the other way round, from your affiliates point of view..

                                                            You have a site you've build up with a loyal base of bookmarkers that trust your advice and you send them to a site you recomended and promised them was a great site for it's topic..
                                                            Now surfer get membership to a site that is stuffed with advertising and just trying to sell him off to the next site, instead of trying it's best to give him his moneys worth..

                                                            Would that surfer trust your affiliates advice about a paysite again.. Hell no !

                                                            So he just lost a surfer he himself could have sold 2-3 memberships to, and on top of that get no recurring revenue for selling him off to you..
                                                            Remember, I'm also an active affiliate, so I know both sides.

                                                            If the member's area is stuffed with upsells, they probably won't get my traffic, but, if there are some ads for dating/cam sites, a sex toy store, video shop, etc., it wouldn't really bother me.

                                                            Remember, too, that the surfer who trusts you to sell them on a paysite might also trust the paysite they are a member of to refer them to other great sites.

                                                            Is a bookmarker any more or less loyal than a member of a quality site? Hard to say.
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                                                              • SykkBoy2
                                                                Jesus loves bacon
                                                                • Feb 2001
                                                                • 19969
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by Alex
                                                                So wouldnt you want the revshare program sites to retain as long as possible and do what every they can to keep him as a member to thier site
                                                                Of course, but just because they have some upsells in the member's areas, it doesn't mean the retention will stop.
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                                                                  • xxxice
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Feb 2002
                                                                    • 5042
                                                                    #67
                                                                    SykkBoy2 just in case you missed it contact me

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                                                                      • shermo
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by Alex
                                                                        Jesus, what are you on. You need to stop thinking that just becuase someone doesnt agree with you, doesnt mean they are wrong in everything they say.

                                                                        Why would i want to start drama and how would i ? I havent named any sponsors, i dont get paid to sig whore per post/impressions.

                                                                        You are just to narrowminded to realize that i want a diff opinion from everyone, but it doesnt mean i will agree with them all.

                                                                        Now i will allow you to continue insulting those that disagree with you.
                                                                        Insulting? You called me stupid, and assumed that I don't send traffic to Revshare. Revshare is all I send traffic to, Alex. I examine members areas, see how they look and if they retain. I personally don't think a sponser is evil for upselling 2 or 3 sites not related to the specific niche.

                                                                        I never said you were wrong, but I don't take it lightly when somebody calls me stupid. Why do you WANT a different opinion for everybody? In essence, you are trying to stir up drama. "but it doesnt mean i will agree with them all". Why say something that you don't agree with it, and then result to insults?

                                                                        People can disagree with me and I have no problem...As long as they can do it in an educated manner, and free of insults.

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                                                                          • TheSwed
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                                                                            • Feb 2004
                                                                            • 3483
                                                                            #69
                                                                            if they don't retain,drop them or shift too pps

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                                                                              • DWB
                                                                                Registered User
                                                                                • Jul 2003
                                                                                • 31779
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by Alex
                                                                                Some sponsors that i push retain for 4+ mos.
                                                                                Others barely get passed the trial signup.

                                                                                I checked up some of the members' areas and they have the content and seem to update regurlary, but the upsells are everywhere.

                                                                                How can you run a revshare program and then send the members your affiliates bring elsewhere.
                                                                                A few upsells are good. I use cams as an upsell and list maybe 3 or 4 sites that are like mine that I recommend. But not overkill. It also helps in part to decide if down the road if I can offer pay per sign up.

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                                                                                  • xxxice
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Feb 2002
                                                                                    • 5042
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    alex and sherm u are both good guys and i think that maybe both of you were not in the right mood. i hope u can agree to disagree or something

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                                                                                      • SykkBoy2
                                                                                        Jesus loves bacon
                                                                                        • Feb 2001
                                                                                        • 19969
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by vanderweb
                                                                                        SykkBoy2 just in case you missed it contact me
                                                                                        just added you, didn't miss it, I'm just slow clicking Add sometimes ;-)
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                                                                                          • shermo
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by Alex
                                                                                            I didnt call you an idiot for your opinion, you are confusing what you are saying.

                                                                                            You were explaining how you dont care what happens next when you send a sale to a sponsor, buit thats because you are obviously promoting them with a PPS program. If it was revsharem you would care.
                                                                                            I can give you a list of revshare sponsers that I use. 90% have upsells and I really don't care. It's when they are overpowering that I care.

                                                                                            An upsell doesn't mean that the site won't retain. It just means that they are trying to get the surfer to have a look at something different to add to his/her porn collection as well. Generally these upsells are on the bottom of the site, or on the customer support page (meaning they are trying to cancel anyways). Non invase, non competing upsells shouldn't pose a threat...And if they do, stop promoting them and move on.

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                                                                                              • xxxice
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Feb 2002
                                                                                                • 5042
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Much better i realize i have a much bigger problem with crossells then upsells.

                                                                                                No crossells and upsells to a minimum sounds pretty good.

                                                                                                I do need to think about this some more though ...

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                                                                                                  • shermo
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
                                                                                                    A few upsells are good. I use cams as an upsell and list maybe 3 or 4 sites that are like mine that I recommend. But not overkill. It also helps in part to decide if down the road if I can offer pay per sign up.
                                                                                                    BINGO. DWB has great sites that I promote and he has some text upsells present. It's not overpowering, non-invasive and his members retain. I have no problem letting him upsell, as he offers me high converting sites with retention in exchange.

                                                                                                    Alex... I think our misunderstanding is this: You are speaking of sites with EXCESSIVE upsells. I agree with you there. A site needs to be 95% content and 5% extras. I think we are both speaking about an "all or nothing" scenerio.

                                                                                                    If not, fuck it.. We can agree to disagree.

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                                                                                                      • Mack
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                                                                                                        • Aug 2003
                                                                                                        • 1017
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Originally posted by nudecanada
                                                                                                        And I bet you still make money.

                                                                                                        Maybe give sykboy some pointers.

                                                                                                        It's not about pointers Sykkboy2 knows what he is doing he is one of the better minds in the biz. That is his business model and it works for him. Is it different than ours? sure! Our company is a little different than most, so upsells might make us a couple extra dollars today, but would hurt us in the long run for sure.

                                                                                                        But as a webmaster I don't have a problem with it, because he doesn't keep it a secret if you ask. So you know what your getting into.

                                                                                                        I don't have a problem with any business model that is presented honestly up front.

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                                                                                                          • xxxice
                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                            • Feb 2002
                                                                                                            • 5042
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Awesome I am glad we can all get along now

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                                                                                                              • fedfest
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                                                                                                                • May 2002
                                                                                                                • 1334
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                SykkBoy2 & shermsshack do have some vallid points regarding how the upsales are made...

                                                                                                                Naturaly there's a big difference on a site that is plastering the members area navigation pages with adds so it's hard to even find the content (Putting it to the extreme, but i've actually seen sites do this) and sites that add an upsell at the cancel page or add upsell content like webcamchat, sextoys etc. in a bonus area away from the main content..

                                                                                                                No doubt the first type will cost you rebills, whereas the second type probably has less bad effect, if not even a æittle positive..

                                                                                                                So would depend a lot of the types of upsell and how agressive it's presented..
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                                                                                                                  • shermo
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by fedfest
                                                                                                                    SykkBoy2 & shermsshack do have some vallid points regarding how the upsales are made...

                                                                                                                    Naturaly there's a big difference on a site that is plastering the members area navigation pages with adds so it's hard to even find the content (Putting it to the extreme, but i've actually seen sites do this) and sites that add an upsell at the cancel page or add upsell content like webcamchat, sextoys etc. in a bonus area away from the main content..

                                                                                                                    No doubt the first type will cost you rebills, whereas the second type probably has less bad effect, if not even a æittle positive..

                                                                                                                    So would depend a lot of the types of upsell and how agressive it's presented..
                                                                                                                    Thanks Fed.. That was what I was getting at.

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                                                                                                                      • fedfest
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                                                                                                                        • May 2002
                                                                                                                        • 1334
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by shermsshack
                                                                                                                        Thanks Fed.. That was what I was getting at.
                                                                                                                        Yeah i noticed you had pretty much written the same thing while i was buissy typing.. Got to move those fingers quicker *Lol*
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                                                                                                                          • Alex
                                                                                                                            So Fucking Banned (YEA!!)
                                                                                                                            • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                            • 10963
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by shermsshack
                                                                                                                            Insulting? You called me stupid, and assumed that I don't send traffic to Revshare. Revshare is all I send traffic to, Alex. I examine members areas, see how they look and if they retain. I personally don't think a sponser is evil for upselling 2 or 3 sites not related to the specific niche.

                                                                                                                            I never said you were wrong, but I don't take it lightly when somebody calls me stupid. Why do you WANT a different opinion for everybody? In essence, you are trying to stir up drama. "but it doesnt mean i will agree with them all". Why say something that you don't agree with it, and then result to insults?

                                                                                                                            People can disagree with me and I have no problem...As long as they can do it in an educated manner, and free of insults.

                                                                                                                            Maybe i am not seeing things the way you do. So please explain to me.

                                                                                                                            You said you send traffic to ONLY revshare programs. But a few post before taht you state you dont care what happens after the initial signup you send. Kinda of defeats the purpose of sending revshare doesnt it?
                                                                                                                            Care about me?
                                                                                                                            Who?
                                                                                                                            Me!
                                                                                                                            Who?

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                                                                                                                              • Alex
                                                                                                                                So Fucking Banned (YEA!!)
                                                                                                                                • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                                • 10963
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by shermsshack
                                                                                                                                BINGO. DWB has great sites that I promote and he has some text upsells present. It's not overpowering, non-invasive and his members retain. I have no problem letting him upsell, as he offers me high converting sites with retention in exchange.

                                                                                                                                Alex... I think our misunderstanding is this: You are speaking of sites with EXCESSIVE upsells. I agree with you there. A site needs to be 95% content and 5% extras. I think we are both speaking about an "all or nothing" scenerio.

                                                                                                                                If not, fuck it.. We can agree to disagree.
                                                                                                                                Cam programs, and products i dont mind as upsells. What i really do get ticked off is when the upsell is to an exactly similar site/niche.

                                                                                                                                Why would the surfer want two teen site memberships?
                                                                                                                                Care about me?
                                                                                                                                Who?
                                                                                                                                Me!
                                                                                                                                Who?

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                                                                                                                                  • shermo
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Alex
                                                                                                                                    Cam programs, and products i dont mind as upsells. What i really do get ticked off is when the upsell is to an exactly similar site/niche.

                                                                                                                                    Why would the surfer want two teen site memberships?
                                                                                                                                    Well in DWB's case.... He has a nice Thai Hardcore site... He also upsells to "creampie" Thai sites. They are the same basic principle, but 1 is more microniched. I have no problem with this.

                                                                                                                                    Now if a softcore blonde girl with big tits has an upsell for a girl just like her, that is moronic. However, if the same girl upsells a hardcore brunette that gets assfucked, it is a bit different. As long as the niche isn't too closely lined up, I have no problem.

                                                                                                                                    "You said you send traffic to ONLY revshare programs. But a few post before taht you state you dont care what happens after the initial signup you send. Kinda of defeats the purpose of sending revshare doesnt it?"

                                                                                                                                    I didn't mean I don't care. Of course I don't want to see 35 upsells and 15 picture sets. If the upsells are varied and few, I don't think this has an effect on retention. In fact, if the upsell is a $1 trial, the member may feel like he/she is being looked out for by being offered a site with a low trial. You'd be surprised at how many times a happy member (who will stay a member) emails asking if I know of any other sites that they can add to their list of memberships. Sometimes a member loves your site and trusts your opinion, so they will seek it. It's just that much easier to offer it in a non-evasive manner so that correspondance doesn;t have to be wasted.

                                                                                                                                    When you say penis pills, cams, etc are ok... Why is it alright that the webmaster profits on that, but not trial sells? To me, that is a bit hypocritical.

                                                                                                                                    The bottom line is this: If you have a unique site that is brandable, the member will stay for the content. If a revshare can retain (and I generally promote revshares that are unique/extreme), then I'm a happy affiliate.

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                                                                                                                                      • taibo
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                                                                                                                                        • May 2005
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                                                                                                                                          • xxxice
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                                                                                                                                            • 5042
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by taibo
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                                                                                                                                            At this point of thread ? I would wait for 100 if possible

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