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  • andrej_NDC
    Registered User
    • May 2004
    • 7760

    #1

    An Important Message for CCBill.com Clients

    just got this

    Dear Client:

    Due to the revised U.S.C. 2257 scheduled to take effect on June 23, 2005 we have updated our AUP and changed our policy regarding material uploaded to our Customized CCBill Subscription (Join) Forms.

    With regards to our CCBill and CCBill EU AUP updates, we have added the following verbiage to the .Section 3: Violation of CCBill Policy:.

    K. Websites must comply with the 18 U.S.C. 2257. Clients must determine their legal responsibility to and method of complying with 18 U.S.C. 2257 where required to do so.

    L. Any material uploaded to a CCBill subscription page, (aka .join page.) must be non-sexual in nature, and may only include non-nude individuals. CCBill reserves the right to review and reject any material for any reason.

    If you wish to view the entire version of our current CCBill AUP please click here

    Please rest assured that the subscription page change (noted as .L. above) does not take away your unique ability to create your own customized, CCBill sign up forms with the same look and feel as your website. This change will only place specific limits on the types of images you may now offer on your customized subscription forms.

    Effective immediately, we ask that you no longer upload any images to your CCBill Customized subscription forms which are either sexual in nature, or include nude individuals. At 10:00 am (PST) on Thursday, June 16, 2005, all existing images uploaded by clients to their customized CCBill sub-account subscription forms will be required to undergo a CCBill Policy Review, must be non-sexual in nature, and may only include non-nude individuals. CCBill will reserve the right to review and reject any material for any reason.

    If you find that you are currently uploading images that are either sexual in
    nature, or are of nude individuals, please replace these images using the Upload Banner tool located on the left pane of the Form Admin, with compliant material prior to Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 10:00 am PST.

    Please note: during the initial Policy Review of Customized Form images (48 to 72 hours), and all subsequent reviews for new Customized Form images, all pending and violating images will be replaced with a .blanket. image that is the same color as your Customized Form background color, thus, eliminating the possibility of broken images from populating your CCBill Customized Subscription form during this pending phase.If images are submitted after the June 16th deadline, they may take several days to be processed due to high volume. We strongly encourage all our clients to adhere to this new policy prior to the Thursday, June 16th deadline in order to forego any delay in the review of their Custom Form images, and to avoid issues with their signup page appearance.

    In addition to these changes, we will no longer allow for URL links to be included in the Custom Text option of the customized form Layout tools located on the left pane of the Form Admin.

    If you have any questions regarding this new policy, or any questions regarding other CCBill services and solutions, please feel free to contact our Client Services Department at 800.510.2859 or by email at clientsupport (at) ccbill.com. They are available to assist you 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

    Thank you,

    Client Support
  • darnit
    Confirmed User
    • Jul 2001
    • 2439

    #2
    and so it continues....

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    • tranza
      ICQ: 197-556-237
      • Jun 2003
      • 57559

      #3
      That's a good move...
      I'm just a newbie.

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      • Anna_O
        Confirmed User
        • Oct 2002
        • 5773

        #4
        was just going to post this... Do they mean that the entire webpage must comply with the new 2257 regulations?


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        • Anna_O
          Confirmed User
          • Oct 2002
          • 5773

          #5
          Originally posted by Anna_O
          was just going to post this... Do they mean that the entire webpage must comply with the new 2257 regulations?
          We don't have a problem with complying, but how about people in britain were it's illegal to give out that info?


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          • Extreme John
            Confirmed User
            • Apr 2002
            • 1475

            #6
            Excellent move by CCBill as usual for the long run. No chances plain and simple and to the point.
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            • corvette
              Confirmed User
              • Oct 2001
              • 7880

              #7
              Originally posted by Anna_O
              was just going to post this... Do they mean that the entire webpage must comply with the new 2257 regulations?
              it means that you cant have any images on the ccbill signup form which are either sexual in nature, or include nude individuals.
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              • MaDalton
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                • Feb 2004
                • 39861

                #8
                Originally posted by corvette
                it means that you cant have any images on the ccbill signup form which are either sexual in nature, or include nude individuals.
                as an ccbill eu customer i didn't get one yet - do you make any differences?
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                  #9
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                  • Anna_O
                    Confirmed User
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 5773

                    #10
                    Originally posted by corvette
                    it means that you cant have any images on the ccbill signup form which are either sexual in nature, or include nude individuals.
                    Yeah I got that part So you mean this ONLY is about the customized joinpages then?


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                    • Anna_O
                      Confirmed User
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 5773

                      #11
                      Originally posted by MaDalton
                      as an ccbill eu customer i didn't get one yet - do you make any differences?
                      We're CCBill EU customers and we got one 10 minutes ago.


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                      • GotGauge
                        Confirmed User
                        • Nov 2001
                        • 3072

                        #12
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                        • corvette
                          Confirmed User
                          • Oct 2001
                          • 7880

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Anna_O
                          Yeah I got that part So you mean this ONLY is about the customized joinpages then?
                          yes, sorry if i had misunderstood your question

                          ma dalton, this email was only sent out to our clients with customized signup forms, if this does not apply to you, you will not receive the above email from us
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                          • FilthyRob
                            Confirmed User
                            • Feb 2004
                            • 6741

                            #14
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                            • Centurion
                              Confirmed User
                              • Dec 2002
                              • 6033

                              #15
                              Originally posted by corvette
                              it means that you cant have any images on the ccbill signup form which are either sexual in nature, or include nude individuals.

                              BUT..
                              L. Any material uploaded to a CCBill subscription page, (aka ?join page?) must be non-sexual in nature, and may only include non-nude individuals. CCBill reserves the right to review and reject any material for any reason.

                              do you MEAN:

                              1)It's ok to have sexual explicit material on the page where it says
                              a)Join Now
                              b)I forgot my password
                              c)cancel my membership

                              and NOT ok when the /bill/ccbill.com/jpost/signup.cgi page load is NOT ok to have sexual images on it.

                              OR..

                              BOTH of the above pages may not have sexually explicity material on it?

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                              • kernelpanic
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                                • Jan 2005
                                • 2961

                                #16
                                And it continues


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                                • GotGauge
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Nov 2001
                                  • 3072

                                  #17
                                  Never mind!


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                                  • andrej_NDC
                                    Registered User
                                    • May 2004
                                    • 7760

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Centurion
                                    BUT..
                                    L. Any material uploaded to a CCBill subscription page, (aka ?join page?) must be non-sexual in nature, and may only include non-nude individuals. CCBill reserves the right to review and reject any material for any reason.

                                    do you MEAN:

                                    1)It's ok to have sexual explicit material on the page where it says
                                    a)Join Now
                                    b)I forgot my password
                                    c)cancel my membership

                                    and NOT ok when the /bill/ccbill.com/jpost/signup.cgi page load is NOT ok to have sexual images on it.

                                    OR..

                                    BOTH of the above pages may not have sexually explicity material on it?
                                    its obvious ccbill dont want to host explicit content, you may do whatever you want on your own join page

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                                    • andrej_NDC
                                      Registered User
                                      • May 2004
                                      • 7760

                                      #19
                                      everything changed

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                                      • Centurion
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Dec 2002
                                        • 6033

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by andrej_NDC
                                        its obvious ccbill dont want to host explicit content, you may do whatever you want on your own join page
                                        Just got off the phone with ccbill support..and was told quote:

                                        ANY page that LINKS to their signup.cgi form/page may NOT have ANY sexual material on it. It must be pretty "bland"!

                                        FUCK!!

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                                        • jayeff
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • May 2001
                                          • 2944

                                          #21
                                          It is entirely reasonable that ccBill require material on their servers be such that they do not need to keep 2257 records. But is it reasonable that they go beyond that and require non-nude? Of course not: they are making their own life easier and telling their clients to suck it up.

                                          It's not a big deal: in isolation such details never are. But once service businesses forget the meaning of the word "service" and put their own ease-of-operation ahead of clients' interests, details like these tend to accumulate. This isn't the first - the unwillingness to accomodate StatsRemote fully is another example - and likely won't be the last.

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                                          • a1ka1ine
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Apr 2002
                                            • 3387

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Anna_O
                                            was just going to post this... Do they mean that the entire webpage must comply with the new 2257 regulations?
                                            no just the ccbill joinpage, they are saving themselves from processing an ID which you should send them to host a sexually explicit image.

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                                            • a1ka1ine
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Apr 2002
                                              • 3387

                                              #23
                                              damn.. i should press f5 before replying more

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                                              • Anna_O
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Oct 2002
                                                • 5773

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Centurion
                                                Just got off the phone with ccbill support..and was told quote:

                                                ANY page that LINKS to their signup.cgi form/page may NOT have ANY sexual material on it. It must be pretty "bland"!

                                                FUCK!!
                                                Ouch


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                                                • corvette
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Oct 2001
                                                  • 7880

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Centurion
                                                  Just got off the phone with ccbill support..and was told quote:

                                                  ANY page that LINKS to their signup.cgi form/page may NOT have ANY sexual material on it. It must be pretty "bland"!

                                                  FUCK!!
                                                  icq me when you have a minute, i am curious as to who told you this

                                                  we are just referring to the signup page, the one that is under the ccbill.com domain, this particular aup change does not affect any pages other than the signup page

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                                                  • KRL
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                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                    • 31429

                                                    #26
                                                    And so the fun continues.

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                                                    • corvette
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                      • 7880

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by jayeff
                                                      It is entirely reasonable that ccBill require material on their servers be such that they do not need to keep 2257 records. But is it reasonable that they go beyond that and require non-nude? Of course not: they are making their own life easier and telling their clients to suck it up.
                                                      Jayeff, we are one of the few, if not the only, processor that allows customization to our signup forms. We do this in order to allow our clients to ?brand? the forms, not as an additional vehicle for content delivery.

                                                      In actuality, this affects very few clients, as most clients that use our customized forms add a banner or logo to the forms as a continuation of the style of their site(s)
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                                                      • Centurion
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Dec 2002
                                                        • 6033

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by corvette
                                                        icq me when you have a minute, i am curious as to who told you this

                                                        we are just referring to the signup page, the one that is under the ccbill.com domain, this particular aup change does not affect any pages other than the signup page

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                                                        I KNEW I should have written his name down when I called. I didn't..and I don't remember his name. So, are you saying this it is JUST the signup.cgi page now on ccbill..OR any page that has the "join now" link on it TO that signup.cgi page?

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                                                        • corvette
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Oct 2001
                                                          • 7880

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Centurion
                                                          I KNEW I should have written his name down when I called. I didn't..and I don't remember his name. So, are you saying this it is JUST the signup.cgi page now on ccbill..OR any page that has the "join now" link on it TO that signup.cgi page?
                                                          the ccbill signup page; the one where the consumer enters their name, cc#, exp. date, etc
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                                                          • Centurion
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Dec 2002
                                                            • 6033

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by corvette
                                                            the ccbill signup page; the one where the consumer enters their name, cc#, exp. date, etc


                                                            ALL RIGHT! That is MUCH better news! It's just the signup.cgi page.
                                                            Thank you!

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                                                            • Brad Mitchell
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Nov 2001
                                                              • 9813

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by corvette
                                                              icq me when you have a minute, i am curious as to who told you this

                                                              we are just referring to the signup page, the one that is under the ccbill.com domain, this particular aup change does not affect any pages other than the signup page

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                                                              Thanks for being here to squelch the rumors. You guys always stay cool under fire and respond quickly. This information will help me assist with questions from our clients.
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                                                              • fedfest
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • May 2002
                                                                • 1334

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by corvette
                                                                the ccbill signup page; the one where the consumer enters their name, cc#, exp. date, etc
                                                                Hey Corvette
                                                                Just curious, do CCbill intend to take other actions regarding 2257 ?
                                                                And will this (or any other US law that might come up) affect CCbill-EU clients ?
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                                                                • corvette
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Oct 2001
                                                                  • 7880

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by fedfest
                                                                  Hey Corvette
                                                                  Just curious, do CCbill intend to take other actions regarding 2257 ?
                                                                  And will this (or any other US law that might come up) affect CCbill-EU clients ?
                                                                  I do not see us making any additional changes in the near future?however i am not promising that this will not occur

                                                                  This affects all clients of ccbill and ccbilleu
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                                                                  • corvette
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                                    • 7880

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Brad Mitchell
                                                                    Thanks for being here to squelch the rumors. You guys always stay cool under fire and respond quickly. This information will help me assist with questions from our clients.
                                                                    thanks for the kind words brad
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                                                                    • Salvar
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Sep 2004
                                                                      • 434

                                                                      #35
                                                                      If it is the law it is the law...

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                                                                      • NaughtyRob
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                                                                        • Nov 2004
                                                                        • 29602

                                                                        #36
                                                                        This is a good move by them, and I am a client. Why didnt I get this email?
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                                                                        • corvette
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Oct 2001
                                                                          • 7880

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by ContentProducer
                                                                          This is a good move by them, and I am a client. Why didnt I get this email?
                                                                          this email was only sent out to our clients with customized signup forms, if this does not apply to you, you will not receive the above email from us
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                                                                          • ChewbaCreative
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Dec 2003
                                                                            • 1118

                                                                            #38
                                                                            some of my clients just ask me about remake design of their join pages - need to move all sexual materials. so it's not a joke and very seriouse.
                                                                            if anyone need - can help you.

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                                                                            • BV
                                                                              wtf
                                                                              • Sep 2001
                                                                              • 10914

                                                                              #39
                                                                              I have always taken advantage of the customized join forms on all our sites and loved the way it tied into the tour.

                                                                              BUT NOT even allowing Titties?

                                                                              WTF is up with that?

                                                                              TOTALLY SUCKS!

                                                                              No 2257 is needed for titties!

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                                                                              • Calvinguy
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                                • 1752

                                                                                #40
                                                                                I got the same email for an inactive account

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                                                                                • Matt_WildCash
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                                                  • 1699

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by corvette
                                                                                  icq me when you have a minute, i am curious as to who told you this

                                                                                  we are just referring to the signup page, the one that is under the ccbill.com domain, this particular aup change does not affect any pages other than the signup page

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