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DrinkingHard why support spyware/adware/zango?

10-17-2006, 06:45 PM

Couldn't you really devote more time to promoting something that's actually worthwhile instead of creating new threads promoting products that infect computers, steal traffic from affiliates, etc?

Why are sponsors finding it so hard to convert their own entrance and exit consoles, that they need to sell the crap traffic through Console brokers? Doesn't Zango compete directly with you? Maybe affiliates would be better off just purchasing the "newbie" traffic directly through Zango instead at a cheaper cost?

Couldn't you choose something better to jump behind and rally about? Something you provide like your own traffic services, instead of promoting Zango or Spyware instead? I don't understand why you keep pushing them if they're competing with you for affiliates traffic buy dollars.

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10-17-2006, 06:47 PM

I'm not Mark but I'm pretty sure he does it for the following reasons.

1. They are legal installs
2. They pay much better and convert better then pushing porn signups?

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10-17-2006, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by MikesTraffic

I'm not Mark but I'm pretty sure he does it for the following reasons.

1. They are legal installs
2. They pay much better and convert better then pushing porn signups?

So we should buy Zango traffic and be Zango affiliates instead of buying traffic from Mark's programs?

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10-17-2006, 06:54 PM

if you had a choice, zango would benefit you more.

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10-17-2006, 06:59 PM

I can't imagine he would go out of his way to defend them so much, without a good reason. I'm trying to understand why he and a few others even bother to defend these companies. It's always the same people who defend them.

What's so wrong about affiliates recognizing that their traffic is being intercepted and complaining about it, and trying to find ways to prevent it from continuing? Why should they just accept it? If they can speak up and cause a reaction then it's worth doing.

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10-17-2006, 07:03 PM

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10-17-2006, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by MikesTraffic

I'm not Mark but I'm pretty sure he does it for the following reasons.

1. They are legal installs
2. They pay much better and convert better then pushing porn signups?

The legal part is grey isn't it, most don't read the fine print to know its on their box. It would be interesting to see what the actual percentage is that actually know its on their box.
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10-17-2006, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by Brujah

I can't imagine he would go out of his way to defend them so much, without a good reason. I'm trying to understand why he and a few others even bother to defend these companies. It's always the same people who defend them.

What's so wrong about affiliates recognizing that their traffic is being intercepted and complaining about it, and trying to find ways to prevent it from continuing? Why should they just accept it? If they can speak up and cause a reaction then it's worth doing.

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at the end of the day its. would you rather have a huge sack of gold and no morals, or morals and no gold.

sometimes you have to ditch something to get the other.

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10-17-2006, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by Fris

at the end of the day its. would you rather have a huge sack of gold and no morals, or morals and no gold.

sometimes you have to ditch something to get the other.

Ok how about this angle. If you promote Zango.. doesn't that automatically eliminate a future zango customer since they already have it installed? So why encourage so many others on GFY to start accepting Zango and promoting them too? Doesn't that mean less new 45cent customers for you? Wouldn't it be better just to remain silent than encourage others who might start limiting your zango conversions and profits?

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10-17-2006, 07:16 PM

greed will make people do many things they could never imagine doing before.

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10-17-2006, 07:16 PM

spyware protection removes it, then they go get reinfected

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10-17-2006, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by MikesTraffic

1. They are legal installs

I always love that statement since it's legal today but laws always take time to "catch up". eg: spam. It's easy to see what someones ethics/morals are when they trot out that excuse for their actions.
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10-17-2006, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by MikesTraffic

I'm not Mark but I'm pretty sure he does it for the following reasons.

1. They are legal installs
2. They pay much better and convert better then pushing porn signups?

In some countries it's legal to fuck a horse..

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10-17-2006, 07:29 PM

I saw Mark at the pharmacy yesterday morning

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10-17-2006, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by Brujah

Couldn't you really devote more time to promoting something that's actually worthwhile instead of creating new threads promoting products that infect computers, steal traffic from affiliates, etc?

Why are sponsors finding it so hard to convert their own entrance and exit consoles, that they need to sell the crap traffic through Console brokers? Doesn't Zango compete directly with you? Maybe affiliates would be better off just purchasing the "newbie" traffic directly through Zango instead at a cheaper cost?

Couldn't you choose something better to jump behind and rally about? Something you provide like your own traffic services, instead of promoting Zango or Spyware instead? I don't understand why you keep pushing them if they're competing with you for affiliates traffic buy dollars.

Hey Brujah, I make money from all kinds of different revenue streams, legal adware distribution is just one of them. I don't allow distribution for adware companies that steal traffic, so please don't lump me in with spyware because that simply isn't what we do.

Sponsors have been selling their exit pages since the dawn of time, the only reason they have us facilitate the sales of their exit pages is because we are damn good at selling them. Why pay someone in-house a full time salary to help you sell your exit pages when you can have a full scale advertising agency handle it for you. PLUS only pay them when they sell something? Sounds like a good idea arrangement huh?

I'm not rallying behind anything, I am just trying to educate people on the difference between legal adware and the junk spyware (that I and everyone else hates). I would highly recommend you come to an ad-tech event and really see what the "other side" of the internet industry does. I don't mean that in a condecending manner, I just really think you would gain alot from the experience and even make a couple of bucks

We'll be at Ad-tech in NYC exhibiting so I invite everyone who comes to please drop by and say hello.

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10-17-2006, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by MikesTraffic

I'm not Mark but I'm pretty sure he does it for the following reasons.

1. They are legal installs
2. They pay much better and convert better then pushing porn signups?

Hey Mike, thanks for the comments.

Yes the only adware we distributed (we currently are not distributing any) was completely legal adware that was very easy to COMPLETELY remove from the surfer's computer. We in the past had been approached by several shady spyware companies and have turned them down at every turn. Now I know the missies and the Will76's of the world would probably argue with me over that but my word is my bond.

I have never promoted adware on an affiliate basis and probably never will, it's just not in our business model.

Anyways hope that clears things up

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10-17-2006, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by Brujah

So we should buy Zango traffic and be Zango affiliates instead of buying traffic from Mark's programs?

Hahaha well I would prefer you buy the traffic from me, your money goes to very beneficial causes like pirate hooker cruises and playboy mansion parties.

Does Zango do that for it's top customers? Nooooooooooooooooo ;)

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10-17-2006, 08:06 PM

Originally posted by Brujah

I can't imagine he would go out of his way to defend them so much, without a good reason. I'm trying to understand why he and a few others even bother to defend these companies. It's always the same people who defend them.

What's so wrong about affiliates recognizing that their traffic is being intercepted and complaining about it, and trying to find ways to prevent it from continuing? Why should they just accept it? If they can speak up and cause a reaction then it's worth doing.

Promote DatingGold and Netpond and others who speak up against the practice
http://www.datinggold.com/
http://www.cashuncovered.com/

I have never promoted Zango... My latest posts were not to defend Zango they were to educate the GFY surfing public what is going on in the mainstream space with adware and who is funding them.

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10-17-2006, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by Fris

at the end of the day its. would you rather have a huge sack of gold and no morals, or morals and no gold.

sometimes you have to ditch something to get the other.

Haha I like the way you make things so simple

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10-17-2006, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by Wiggles

greed will make people do many things they could never imagine doing before.

The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA. Thank you very much.

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10-17-2006, 08:11 PM

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I saw Mark at the pharmacy yesterday morning

Did you? I was in a haze of pain that morning, I had a bad muscle strain in my back from hockey on the weekend and was on the hunt for Robaxacet.

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10-17-2006, 08:18 PM

Originally posted by DrinkingHARDEST

I have never promoted Zango... My latest posts were not to defend Zango they were to educate the GFY surfing public what is going on in the mainstream space with adware and who is funding them.

DH

I see. I thought you were providing a counter argument to all the Zango bashing threads, in support of Zango.

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10-17-2006, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by Brujah

I see. I thought you were providing a counter argument to all the Zango bashing threads, in support of Zango.

Until they start lining my pockets with seas of green they can fight their own fights haha!

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10-17-2006, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by DrinkingHARDEST

The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms; greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge has marked the upward surge of mankind. And greed, you mark my words, will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA. Thank you very much.

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Do you even know what 'greed' means?

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10-17-2006, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by DrinkingHARDEST

Hahaha well I would prefer you buy the traffic from me, your money goes to very beneficial causes like pirate hooker cruises and playboy mansion parties.

Does Zango do that for it's top customers? Nooooooooooooooooo ;)

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