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  • Snake Doctor
    I'm Lenny2 Bitch
    • Mar 2001
    • 13449

    #1

    Project Revenue's new policy regarding free content and 2257

    This notice was just sent out to all of our affilaites. (Both of them....LOL)

    Dear Affiliates;
    After extended talks with our legal counsel we have decided to change our terms and conditions for use of promotional content, in order to keep all of you compliant with the new 2257 regulations.

    Effective June 22, 2005, use of any of our hardcore or "sexually explicit" content is not authorized. The implied license you have been given for use of this content will be rescinded on this date.

    We will not be sending out 2257 documentation to our affiliates and we feel that the easiest way for everyone to be in compliance is to only use softcore content.

    While I would like to give you a link to a zip file that has every picture and movie that is acceptable for affiliate use, we don't have one ready yet.

    Since time is running out and I know a lot of you are scrambling to get your sites into compliance I will be issuing temporary members area passwords so that you can download replacement content as soon as possible (email support at projectrevenue.com if you need a password).

    Here is a detailed explanation of what type of content is acceptable for use.

    Tits and ass shots are ok. "Lewd exhibition of the genitals" is also ok, this does not fall under the definition of sexually explicit conduct as defined in 18 USC section 2257.

    Masturbation is NOT ok. Even though this is still considered softcore by many in our industry, it is considered sexually explicit conduct as defined by 18 USC section 2257.

    Basically what this means is that a close up pussy shot is fine, as long as the model is not touching her pussy with her hand or a sex toy (and no other person is touching her).
    Do not use any images that have sex toys in them, regardless of whether or not the toy is being inserted.

    If you have any other questions about what is and is not acceptable, please contact us.

    No changes are being made to our hosted galleries, however iframing the galleries or hotlinking the content from them is not allowed.

    All of our current promotional materials (banners, fpa's etc) are already softcore so no changes need to be made regarding those materials.

    We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause you.

    Regards,
    Lenny Kutz
    ProjectRevenue.com
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  • xxxice
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2002
    • 5042

    #2
    Cool

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    • Manowar
      jellyfish  
      • Dec 2003
      • 71528

      #3
      Good move to protect your business

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      • FilthyRob
        Confirmed User
        • Feb 2004
        • 6741

        #4
        Nice position on this. Getting people access to replacement content is great!
        AKA - Clubsexy

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        • Nismo
          Confirmed User
          • May 2002
          • 4977

          #5
          I got the email. Sucks, because the hardcore content was the ones that got me my signups.
          i buy massive xxx dating traffic.

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          • Snake Doctor
            I'm Lenny2 Bitch
            • Mar 2001
            • 13449

            #6
            Originally posted by Nismo
            I got the email. Sucks, because the hardcore content was the ones that got me my signups.
            I agree that it does suck, the DOJ is taking a nice chunk out of all our asses on this one.
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            • Nubiles
              Confirmed User
              • Apr 2002
              • 1496

              #7
              So is POTD considered hotlinking?
              NUBILES.NET : Hosted galleries with thumbs and descriptions | nn galleries | Hosted free sites | 3 new girls shot each week | Icq 143674274

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              • Snake Doctor
                I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                • Mar 2001
                • 13449

                #8
                Originally posted by Drunkspringbreakgirls
                So is POTD considered hotlinking?
                We don't have POTD.

                And if we did add it later, you don't hotlink POTD's, you link to the page that contains the pic.
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                • ry0t
                  So Fucking Banned
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 4160

                  #9
                  The thinning of the herd begins.

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                  • taibo
                    Confirmed User
                    • May 2005
                    • 3720

                    #10
                    damn that sure was a good reading

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                    • Trax
                      [----------------------]
                      • Aug 2001
                      • 14486

                      #11
                      weak & sad

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                      • dopeman
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jan 2005
                        • 294

                        #12
                        what about all the hard core galleries and promo content affiliates previously used? will they be covered for that?

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                        • ThumbLord

                          #13
                          great move !
                          still looking for non american sponsors that do not give a fuck about 2257
                          will take your galleries down, np
                          edit ........ never used your program sorry

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                          • Snake Doctor
                            I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                            • Mar 2001
                            • 13449

                            #14
                            Originally posted by dopeman
                            what about all the hard core galleries and promo content affiliates previously used? will they be covered for that?
                            As I said our hosted galleries are not affected at all by this.

                            As for content you have used previously we are giving you notice now that you need to change it out with softcore content.

                            Our program has only been open for a few months, so we don't have any affiliates with hundreds or thousands of galleries floating around out there.....this was one of the factors that led us to make this decision.
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                            • dopeman
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jan 2005
                              • 294

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Lenny2
                              As I said our hosted galleries are not affected at all by this.

                              As for content you have used previously we are giving you notice now that you need to change it out with softcore content.

                              Our program has only been open for a few months, so we don't have any affiliates with hundreds or thousands of galleries floating around out there.....this was one of the factors that led us to make this decision.
                              holy crap. this 2257 thing is an out-of-control freight train heading right toward affiliates and they don't even see it.

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                              • Snake Doctor
                                I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                • Mar 2001
                                • 13449

                                #16
                                Originally posted by ThumbLord
                                great move !
                                still looking for non american sponsors that do not give a fuck about 2257
                                will take your galleries down, np
                                edit ........ never used your program sorry
                                Well now is a good time to start

                                Our hosted galleries click ass
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                                • Martin
                                  "Assassins"
                                  • Dec 2001
                                  • 17274

                                  #17
                                  Damn.......

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                                  • FleshJoe2005
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jan 2005
                                    • 287

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by dopeman
                                    holy crap. this 2257 thing is an out-of-control freight train heading right toward affiliates and they don't even see it.
                                    Ah there you are And dont accuse me of stalking you,

                                    Hi Dopeman!
                                    I convert male sextoy traffic at ~1:30!!!
                                    Send me your traffic and we'll split 50-50.
                                    ICQ: 325-310-821

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                                    • Damian_Maxcash
                                      So Fucking Banned
                                      • Oct 2002
                                      • 12745

                                      #19
                                      Are you going make this a rule accross the board.... ie. are non US webmasters going to have to comply as well?

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                                      • dopeman
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jan 2005
                                        • 294

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by FleshJoe2005
                                        Ah there you are And dont accuse me of stalking you,

                                        Hi Dopeman!
                                        i can't believe affiliates aren't asking hard questions. nobody is paying attention.

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                                        • Rich
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Jan 2003
                                          • 11486

                                          #21
                                          Does this apply to all webmasters or only those located inside the USA? The rest of us aren't restricted by 2257.

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                                          • Snake Doctor
                                            I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                            • Mar 2001
                                            • 13449

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by damian2001
                                            Are you going make this a rule accross the board.... ie. are non US webmasters going to have to comply as well?
                                            Well non US webmasters don't have to comply with 2257, but if they want to be a part of our program then they do have to follow our rules regarding promotional content.

                                            So yes, what content you are allowed to use is a rule "across the board"
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                                            • Martin
                                              "Assassins"
                                              • Dec 2001
                                              • 17274

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by dopeman
                                              i can't believe affiliates aren't asking hard questions. nobody is paying attention.
                                              I am. Just waiting to see where it goes. Some sponsors are telling me the have a way around it.

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                                              • Damian_Maxcash
                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                • Oct 2002
                                                • 12745

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                Well non US webmasters don't have to comply with 2257, but if they want to be a part of our program then they do have to follow our rules regarding promotional content.

                                                So yes, what content you are allowed to use is a rule "across the board"
                                                Interesting.... are you saying that because thats how you interpret the 2257 laws, because its just easier that way or because you think "its only fair"?

                                                Im not flaming BTW- you can make any rules you like after all... but Im interested in the different reasons different sponsors have for making a particular decision on this issue.

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                                                • Snake Doctor
                                                  I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                  • Mar 2001
                                                  • 13449

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by damian2001
                                                  Interesting.... are you saying that because thats how you interpret the 2257 laws, because its just easier that way or because you think "its only fair"?

                                                  Im not flaming BTW- you can make any rules you like after all... but Im interested in the different reasons different sponsors have for making a particular decision on this issue.
                                                  I'm not sure I follow what you're asking me.....about how I interpret the laws?

                                                  I will say this....if someone wanted to promote us using their own hardcore content that they have purchased I have no problem with that whatsoever.
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                                                  • After Shock Media
                                                    It's coming look busy
                                                    • Mar 2001
                                                    • 35299

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by damian2001
                                                    Interesting.... are you saying that because thats how you interpret the 2257 laws, because its just easier that way or because you think "its only fair"?

                                                    Im not flaming BTW- you can make any rules you like after all... but Im interested in the different reasons different sponsors have for making a particular decision on this issue.
                                                    One reason I can see why sponsors could be making this across the board.
                                                    If the sponsor is US based yet they allow non US companies to promote and sell their program using tactics that are illegal in the US that sponsor could get into a conspiracy charge and then the magic RICO word comes into play.

                                                    [email protected] ICQ:135982156 AIM: Aftershockmed1a MSN: [email protected]

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                                                    • Snake Doctor
                                                      I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                      • Mar 2001
                                                      • 13449

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by After Shock Media
                                                      One reason I can see why sponsors could be making this across the board.
                                                      If the sponsor is US based yet they allow non US companies to promote and sell their program using tactics that are illegal in the US that sponsor could get into a conspiracy charge and then the magic RICO word comes into play.
                                                      Well that's a little too far out there.....but think about it......it's simply not fair to give preferential treatment to an affiliate based on their geographic location.
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                                                      • Damian_Maxcash
                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                        • 12745

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by After Shock Media
                                                        One reason I can see why sponsors could be making this across the board.
                                                        If the sponsor is US based yet they allow non US companies to promote and sell their program using tactics that are illegal in the US that sponsor could get into a conspiracy charge and then the magic RICO word comes into play.
                                                        This is really what I am trying to work out. Are they saying non US webmasters have to comply by law (the law as it affects them, not the affiliate) or are they saying it because its easier than having 2 sets of rules.


                                                        The 3rd option is that they think that it would be unfare for non US affiliates to have an advantage. Seriously messed up if that is the case.

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                                                        • Rich
                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                          • Jan 2003
                                                          • 11486

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                          I'm not sure I follow what you're asking me.....about how I interpret the laws?

                                                          I will say this....if someone wanted to promote us using their own hardcore content that they have purchased I have no problem with that whatsoever.
                                                          I think he's asking, are you making it a rule across the board because it's easier and/or only fair to Americans, or are you making it a rule for international webmasters because that is how you've interpreted the law.

                                                          In other words, could you still offer hardcore content for non-American webmasters if you wanted to.

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                                                          • AmateurFlix
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Jul 2004
                                                            • 7762

                                                            #30
                                                            Nice to see someone post specific definitions of what is and what is not covered by 2257.
                                                            Last edited by AmateurFlix; 06-07-2005, 02:48 PM.

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                                                            • tranza
                                                              ICQ: 197-556-237
                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                              • 57559

                                                              #31
                                                              You're not going to get many new affiliates now...

                                                              I'm just a newbie.

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                                                              • Snake Doctor
                                                                I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                • Mar 2001
                                                                • 13449

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by tranza
                                                                You're not going to get many new affiliates now...

                                                                Actually I just had a couple of new ones sign up in the last hour


                                                                Honestly if we lost all our affiliates we would still be just fine.
                                                                That's not to say that we don't appreciate our affiliates and the traffic they send us, and that we don't go out of our way to help them make money.....but we're certainly not going to starve to death if they all stopped sending traffic.
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                                                                • Nubiles
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Apr 2002
                                                                  • 1496

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                                  We don't have POTD.

                                                                  And if we did add it later, you don't hotlink POTD's, you link to the page that contains the pic.
                                                                  Actually most programs that offer POTD also offer a hotlinkable thumb. This is probably more used than just the text to the POTD.
                                                                  NUBILES.NET : Hosted galleries with thumbs and descriptions | nn galleries | Hosted free sites | 3 new girls shot each week | Icq 143674274

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                                                                  • Tempest
                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                    • May 2004
                                                                    • 10217

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                                    Our hosted galleries click ass
                                                                    That will only last until you get more and more affiliates and your FHGs become saturated.
                                                                    Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                                    if someone wanted to promote us using their own hardcore content that they have purchased I have no problem with that whatsoever.
                                                                    The content I purchase is used to promote PPS programs where I can get $40+. No way in hell would I spend money on content to only promote a revshare. Not an effective ROI in my opinion.

                                                                    I think you have a good product there (actually, I think it could be a GREAT product)... Just not sure I want to promote it now... Well.. maybe no more than just dumping FHGs into a database.

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                                                                    • CaptainHowdy
                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                      • Dec 2004
                                                                      • 94173

                                                                      #35
                                                                      You gotta love 2257, !!...

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                                                                      • Rich
                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                                        • 11486

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by tranza
                                                                        You're not going to get many new affiliates now...


                                                                        I think you have it completely backwards, I'm sure a lot of US affiliates are looking for sponsors who are on top of this thing. If I was based in the US I'd be replacing other company's links with links for projectrevenue.com for sure.

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                                                                        • Snake Doctor
                                                                          I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                          • Mar 2001
                                                                          • 13449

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                          That will only last until you get more and more affiliates and your FHGs become saturated.

                                                                          The content I purchase is used to promote PPS programs where I can get $40+. No way in hell would I spend money on content to only promote a revshare. Not an effective ROI in my opinion.

                                                                          I think you have a good product there (actually, I think it could be a GREAT product)... Just not sure I want to promote it now... Well.. maybe no more than just dumping FHGs into a database.
                                                                          I understand how you feel about the purchased content, I was just throwing that out there. We all have to do what's best for our business in both the short and long term.

                                                                          As for the free hosted galleries becoming saturated, there's no limit to the amount of galleries we can build.
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                                                                          • jact
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Sep 2002
                                                                            • 9134

                                                                            #38
                                                                            I didn't read it, but it sure looked like a sexy announcement. May I rub your announcement's nipples in a non-lascivious way?
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                                                                            • Shap
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • May 2001
                                                                              • 8313

                                                                              #39
                                                                              The beauty of boobs is you don't need pink to sell boobs. Lenny!

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                                                                              • studio
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Feb 2004
                                                                                • 1095

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Hello,

                                                                                These parts of your statement I would question...

                                                                                Tits and ass shots are ok. "Lewd exhibition of the genitals" is also ok, this does not fall under the definition of sexually explicit conduct as defined in 18 USC section 2257.

                                                                                Basically what this means is that a close up pussy shot is fine, as long as the model is not touching her pussy with her hand or a sex toy (and no other person is touching her).

                                                                                Just my 2 cents...

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                                                                                • Mrs. Lenny2
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Apr 2005
                                                                                  • 1175

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by jact
                                                                                  I didn't read it, but it sure looked like a sexy announcement. May I rub your announcement's nipples in a non-lascivious way?
                                                                                  [B][COLOR="RoyalBlue"]ICQ# 193-939-788

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                                                                                  • Snake Doctor
                                                                                    I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                                    • Mar 2001
                                                                                    • 13449

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by studio
                                                                                    Hello,

                                                                                    These parts of your statement I would question...

                                                                                    Tits and ass shots are ok. "Lewd exhibition of the genitals" is also ok, this does not fall under the definition of sexually explicit conduct as defined in 18 USC section 2257.

                                                                                    Basically what this means is that a close up pussy shot is fine, as long as the model is not touching her pussy with her hand or a sex toy (and no other person is touching her).

                                                                                    Just my 2 cents...
                                                                                    That's fine to question them. Please consult an attorney who specializes in our industry and ask him or her if what I said is correct.

                                                                                    I made this statement after asking my attorney several very specific questions, I left no room for ambiguity.
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                                                                                    • Snake Doctor
                                                                                      I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                                      • Mar 2001
                                                                                      • 13449

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by jact
                                                                                      I didn't read it, but it sure looked like a sexy announcement. May I rub your announcement's nipples in a non-lascivious way?
                                                                                      Only if I can have a copy of the super secret pictures that you're holding for ransom
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                                                                                      • studio
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Feb 2004
                                                                                        • 1095

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        I would bet 4 out of 5 lawyers would disagree with your lawyer... I know mine does...

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                                                                                        • Snake Doctor
                                                                                          I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                                          • Mar 2001
                                                                                          • 13449

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by studio
                                                                                          I would bet 4 out of 5 lawyers would disagree with your lawyer... I know mine does...
                                                                                          Well a plain text reading of the law will give you the same conclusion that we came to.



                                                                                          (1) the term "actual sexually explicit conduct" means actual but not simulated conduct as defined in subparagraphs (A) through (D) of paragraph (2) of section 2256 of this title;


                                                                                          Now we'll look at paragraph 2 of section 2256

                                                                                          (2) ?sexually explicit conduct? means actual or simulated?
                                                                                          (A) sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex;
                                                                                          (B) bestiality;
                                                                                          (C) masturbation;
                                                                                          (D) sadistic or masochistic abuse; or
                                                                                          (E) lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person;


                                                                                          Notice that (E) lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person; is excluded from the term actually sexually explicit conduct in section 2257.
                                                                                          2257 specifically states that only (A) through (D) are used to determine what sexually explicit conduct is.
                                                                                          Whether they omitted (E) on accident or on purpose, it doesn't matter, they excluded (E)lasivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area.....therefore those depictions are not subject to 2257 record keeping requirements.

                                                                                          I can draw it out on a flow chart or something if you like
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                                                                                          • 3piece chicken Dinner
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Jan 2005
                                                                                            • 1065

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Lenny2, I know this decison was probably a pretty tough one to make. ( or easy if your lawyer said DO THIS!) Not only do I support your decision on an ethical level, I thin biz wise you can easily promote BIG TITS without having to put yourself, your models , or you affilaites in an area that is "grey" in anyway.

                                                                                            Good work, and the next time I trip across Big Tit traffic, i'll be sending it your way.
                                                                                            "We are told to let our light shine, and if it does, we won't need to tell anybody it does. Lighthouses don't fire cannons to call attention to their shining- they just shine."

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                                                                                            • Snake Doctor
                                                                                              I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                                              • Mar 2001
                                                                                              • 13449

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by 3piece chicken Dinner
                                                                                              Lenny2, I know this decison was probably a pretty tough one to make. ( or easy if your lawyer said DO THIS!) Not only do I support your decision on an ethical level, I thin biz wise you can easily promote BIG TITS without having to put yourself, your models , or you affilaites in an area that is "grey" in anyway.

                                                                                              Good work, and the next time I trip across Big Tit traffic, i'll be sending it your way.
                                                                                              I appreciate that.

                                                                                              Our niche and the amount of time we've been accepting affiliate traffic were two big factors in our decision. We took the route that would be the easiest for us and for our affiliates to be in compliance.

                                                                                              We really have no opinion whatsoever on whether or not a program should release their docs to affiliates. Some will, some won't, and that's just the way it is.
                                                                                              Everyone needs to do what's best for their business, and what's best for my business may not be what's best for someone else's.
                                                                                              Such is life.

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                                                                                              • jact
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Sep 2002
                                                                                                • 9134

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                                                                Only if I can have a copy of the super secret pictures that you're holding for ransom
                                                                                                My goodness, quite the pervert you are! Tsk tsk!
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                                                                                                • GatorB
                                                                                                  The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                                  • Oct 2001
                                                                                                  • 18208

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by tranza
                                                                                                  You're not going to get many new affiliates now...

                                                                                                  Why? Considering MANY sponsors are going this way. So much for 2257 not effecting Euros. Once again how many American affiliates are they going to lose if they had 2 sets of rules? Besides I didn't see where he said affiliates couldn't use hardcore content just not HIS hardcore content. So the onyl difference is that you have to PAY for your content now.

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                                                                                                  • SykkBoy2
                                                                                                    Jesus loves bacon
                                                                                                    • Feb 2001
                                                                                                    • 19969

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by tranza
                                                                                                    You're not going to get many new affiliates now...

                                                                                                    why? are you saying affiliates can't sell a site just because they can't give away hardcore?
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