2257 and Frames/Hotlinking

**aaron** · 06-06-2005, 09:09 PM

im guessing even if its in a frame if its viewable by going to your domain you will need it as you are publishing it but i could be wrong

**421Fill** · 06-06-2005, 09:09 PM

I believe so. Inserting it into your website = publishing = secondary producer

**SetTheWorldonFire** · 06-06-2005, 09:12 PM

If they see the hardcore image and look up to see your domain. My guess is they will go after you.

**Alex** · 06-06-2005, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by SetTheWorldonFire

If they see the hardcore image and look up to see your domain. My guess is they will go after you.

How do pulbic BBS work. If i post a sexually explicit pic at GFY, will they go knocking down adult.com's door?

**SetTheWorldonFire** · 06-06-2005, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by Alex

How do pulbic BBS work. If i post a sexually explicit pic at GFY, will they go knocking down adult.com's door?

If they see a dead guy in the car, they will contact the owner of the car first.

**Alex** · 06-06-2005, 09:16 PM

Originally posted by SetTheWorldonFire

If they see a dead guy in the car, they will contact the owner of the car first.

Then what? Will GFY have to start giving the IP;s of every user that posts a pic here. And will the DOJ then get a supena to match the IP to an address???

**SetTheWorldonFire** · 06-06-2005, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by Alex

Then what? Will GFY have to start giving the IP;s of every user that posts a pic here. And will the DOJ then get a supena to match the IP to an address???

depends on the man power or interest to further the investigation.

**Alex** · 06-06-2005, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by SetTheWorldonFire

depends on the man power or interest to further the investigation.

So cant that cluase be used on TGPs.

Shit... Hot link the thumbs, let them worry about the other domain.

BV · 06-06-2005, 09:19 PM

The way I understand it is if you publish it on your site then you are a secondary producer and need 2257.

If you publish it on your site using an iframe, you still published it the same way as if you hotlinked it. You basically hotlinking a page instead of an image.

**421Fill** · 06-06-2005, 09:19 PM

I think the fact that gfy does not allow attachments will at least keep them in a grey area. if they let any tom dick or harry attacch aka upload to their servers, then they'd be more likely to be held responsible.

**Alex** · 06-06-2005, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by turbo

I think the fact that gfy does not allow attachments will at least keep them in a grey area. if they let any tom dick or harry attacch aka upload to their servers, then they'd be more likely to be held responsible.

But gfy does allow hotlinking

**421Fill** · 06-06-2005, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by Alex

So cant that cluase be used on TGPs.

Shit... Hot link the thumbs, let them worry about the other domain.

lol, that's not a clause, it's an opinion.

**421Fill** · 06-06-2005, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by Alex

But gfy does allow hotlinking

right, that's all they allow... basically saying, keep that shit off of our servers...

**Alex** · 06-06-2005, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by turbo

lol, that's not a clause, it's an opinion.

Sucks, i would think that when people are commenting on serious law contracts and regullations they would speak with facts and not opinions.

**bringer** · 06-06-2005, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by turbo

right, that's all they allow... basically saying, keep that shit off of our servers...

then the same could be said about iframes

**Alex** · 06-06-2005, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by turbo

right, that's all they allow... basically saying, keep that shit off of our servers...

But according to 2257, hotlinking is still publishing then

**V_RocKs** · 06-06-2005, 09:24 PM

They are protected by,

(v) A provider of an electronic communication service or remote computing service who does not, and reasonably cannot, manage the sexually explicit content of the computer site or service.

The same way AOL, Yahoo and Google will be.

**421Fill** · 06-06-2005, 09:25 PM

Originally posted by bringer

then the same could be said about iframes

Originally posted by Alex

But according to 2257, hotlinking is still publishing then

it's not gfy that's actually doing the publishing.

Originally posted by Alex

Sucks, i would think that when people are commenting on serious law contracts and regullations they would speak with facts and not opinions.

it's all just opinion at this point, though. at least he replied with a thought out opinion.

**Alex** · 06-06-2005, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by V_RocKs

They are protected by,

The same way AOL, Yahoo and Google will be.

So i can start running forums like TGPs. And say its a means of communication, and i will just hotlink to image posts and link to fghs. Just like a tgp, i will say a user posted it.

**adonthenet** · 06-06-2005, 09:37 PM

probably yeah

**Alex** · 06-06-2005, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by adonthenet

probably yeah

Wow you are a fucking loser. How does it feel to spend countless hours a day for that $80 you get for your sig. It makes me sick.

**GatorB** · 06-06-2005, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by Alex

if the pic isnt actually on your domain/server does it need 2257

Well I'm sure the site you are putting in a frame apreciates that. I mean maybe I'll put The Hun in a frame on my site. He won't mind will he?

**Alex** · 06-06-2005, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by GatorB

Well I'm sure the site you are putting in a frame apreciates that. I mean maybe I'll put The Hun in a frame on my site. He won't mind will he?

I dont think a paysite would mind be hotlinking/iframing a banner/picture/fpa as long as i send them traffic and sales.

**GatorB** · 06-06-2005, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by Alex

I dont think a paysite would mind be hotlinking/iframing a banner/picture/fpa as long as i send them traffic and sales.

Well that's the thing. I could frame one sponsors FHG and have banners to OTHER sponsors above it and below it.

**V_RocKs** · 06-06-2005, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by Alex

So i can start running forums like TGPs. And say its a means of communication, and i will just hotlink to image posts and link to fghs. Just like a tgp, i will say a user posted it.

Server logs... proxy server logs... You CAN get users to post it for you... it is pretty damn simple...

**Alex** · 06-06-2005, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by V_RocKs

Server logs... proxy server logs... You CAN get users to post it for you... it is pretty damn simple...

Outsourcing.
The more i think of it, the better of an idea it sounds like,

**tradermcduck** · 06-06-2005, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by Alex

But according to 2257, hotlinking is still publishing then

I am not a lawyer

but common sense tells me hotlinking = publishing

**DamageX** · 06-06-2005, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by Alex

So i can start running forums like TGPs. And say its a means of communication, and i will just hotlink to image posts and link to fghs. Just like a tgp, i will say a user posted it.

I think a blog would work too.

BTW, I re-read the posts you made in my thread and noticed I had initially overlooked some of your words. I apologize.

**Alex** · 06-07-2005, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by DamageX

I think a blog would work too.

BTW, I re-read the posts you made in my thread and noticed I had initially overlooked some of your words. I apologize.

No sweat.

Im thinking that running a blog/forum that is open to be posted by users.
ALl i do is hire a few outsourced workers, which arent in the U.S and tell them what to post but actually have them post it.

It seems like a good idea, but there has to be some cluase agaisnt it.

**WiredGuy** · 06-07-2005, 08:35 AM

So as it stands, whats the proposed 2257's going to allow? Frames? Hotlinking? Regular Linking? What is considered a published document versus reproduction?
WG

**FilthyRob** · 06-07-2005, 08:36 AM

just change the whole internet into text.

Matrix style

**wjxxx** · 06-07-2005, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by Alex

How do pulbic BBS work. If i post a sexually explicit pic at GFY, will they go knocking down adult.com's door?

public BBSes and SEs are exempt

2257 and Frames/Hotlinking

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