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  • slapass
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Nov 2002
    • 14625
    #1

    Is our industry mature?

    I was just noticing that the biggest five programs does not appear to have changed in the last year. We can argue as to which are the biggest five but my list is sort of like -

    Nasty dollars
    Top bucks
    Bang Bros
    TCG
    Naughty America

    There are now more niche programs that are doing great but do not seem to have the size of those mentioned. Is that because as an industry we have matured to the point where it will be hard to break into those ranks?


    I left off AFF on purpose as they sell dating versus porn.
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    • jimthefiend
      So Fucking Banned
      • Oct 2003
      • 18889
      #2
      Mature to the point that it's on it's death bed.

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        • polish_aristocrat
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          • Jul 2002
          • 40377
          #3
          good thread
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            • slapass
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              • Nov 2002
              • 14625
              #4
              Originally posted by jimthefiend
              Mature to the point that it's on it's death bed.
              Not sure why you would say that. The easy money is gone but that does not mean the last money is made.

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                • DaddyHalbucks
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                  • Feb 2004
                  • 18975
                  #5
                  Yes, there is market saturation.
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                    • Serge Litehead
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                      • Dec 2002
                      • 5190
                      #6
                      the industry is still premature, most sponsors don't even care about security of their own affiliates. i mean how many programs have you seen put their signup and login pages behind ssl? personal and private information being passed through unencrypted but they make a big fuss when you do test joins through your own linking codes.

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                        • reynold
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                          • Oct 2002
                          • 51271
                          #7
                          I guess it is, considering the nature of this industry and the ups and downs that beset it.

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                            • footmonkey
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                              • Nov 2005
                              • 639
                              #8
                              Where do your stats come from for the top five programs?

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                                • NinjaSteve
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                                  • Dec 2003
                                  • 11089
                                  #9
                                  good one
                                  ...

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                                    • Elixir
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                                      • May 2006
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                                      #10
                                      interesting thread
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                                        • cess
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                                          • Sep 2006
                                          • 2921
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by holograph
                                          i mean how many programs have you seen put their signup and login pages behind ssl? personal and private information being passed through unencrypted
                                          I know it's crappy of them.

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                                            • BigBen
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                                              • Nov 2004
                                              • 2299
                                              #12
                                              The industry isn't even a teenager yet. There's a long way to go.

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                                                • inthestars
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                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                  • 2021
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by slapass
                                                  Is that because as an industry we have matured to the point where it will be hard to break into those ranks?

                                                  Yes. It would be very hard to break into those ranks unless, you had a cleverly unique concept.

                                                  I am not happy with the way the industry has matured. The new crop wants to get into the adult industry because of what they perceive as 'the lifestyle', i.e. going to parties at conventions, free booze, hot girls, etc and the money is very secondary to them. It is incredible to me that these people actually will spend exhorbitant amounts of money trying to buy their way into the industry without actually even understanding the mechanics of being successful in the adult internet.

                                                  The exodus of the old schoolers like Andy Dunn of SexSwap,etc is also disheartning. Remember how fantastic his newsletter was? I will always be greatful for his willingness to share knowledge with other webmasters.

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                                                    • Z
                                                      Vidi Vici Veni
                                                      • Nov 2002
                                                      • 6308
                                                      #14
                                                      We have only just begun...

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                                                        • flashfreak
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                                                          • Jun 2002
                                                          • 4396
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by jimthefiend
                                                          Mature to the point that it's on it's death bed.
                                                          I've heard this ideea so many times last 4 years...
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                                                            • gfx3
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                                                              • Nov 2005
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                                                              #16
                                                              As long as there are so many cowboys on these boards the industry can't be called mature. Perhaps it's in it's "kindergarten" stage.
                                                              Toy industry, fashion industry, computer hardware, clothing, food, gaming consoles.... just to name a few all reached to point of being a stable mature industry. Online porn certainly isn't because if it was, not a single newbie would make a sale from his new tgp in his first month.

                                                              Those few programs you mention above shouldn't be taken as a standard, those aren't large companies. The largest company I know of is AFF with 300 employees.

                                                              Also think about the fact what big companies are doing right now online, think about what playboy is currently doing. This is an indicator that online porn certainly hasn't reached a mature stage. 10 years from now things will be different, some companies will have their market share and newbies without decent capital won't be able to break into the market.

                                                              Also keep in mind that this industry has many many niches so you can be very creative in your online ventures, also take note that you do business on the internet which is a very fast changing medium.
                                                              Last edited by gfx3; 10-14-2006, 01:37 PM.

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                                                                • he-fox
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                                                                  • Jun 2006
                                                                  • 2884
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Mature? not, more like a M.I.L.F....

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                                                                    • Solid Bob
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                                                                      • Apr 2006
                                                                      • 1213
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by gfx3
                                                                      As long as there are so many cowboys on these boards the industry can't be called mature. Perhaps it's in it's "kindergarten" stage.
                                                                      Toy industry, fashion industry, computer hardware, clothing, food, gaming consoles.... just to name a few all reached to point of being a stable mature industry. Online porn certainly isn't because if it was, not a single newbie would make a sale from his new tgp in his first month.

                                                                      Those few programs you mention above shouldn't be taken as a standard, those aren't large companies. The largest company I know of is AFF with 300 employees.

                                                                      Also think about the fact what big companies are doing right now online, think about what playboy is currently doing. This is an indicator that online porn certainly hasn't reached a mature stage. 10 years from now things will be different, some companies will have their market share and newbies without decent capital won't be able to break into the market.

                                                                      Also keep in mind that this industry has many many niches so you can be very creative in your online ventures, also take note that you do business on the internet which is a very fast changing medium.

                                                                      This is the internet with a $40 pricetag product. A newbie will ALWAYS be able to break into the industry and make money from day 1.
                                                                      Last edited by Solid Bob; 10-14-2006, 01:43 PM.
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                                                                        • Tanker
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                                                                          • Nov 2000
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                                                                          #19
                                                                          shit have you read this board lately there is nothign mature about it

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                                                                            • jesse_adultdatingdollars
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                                                                              • Apr 2006
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                                                                              #20
                                                                              I want to be on that list of top five...good luck lol
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                                                                                • gfx3
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                                                                                  • Nov 2005
                                                                                  • 1685
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by Solid Bob
                                                                                  This is the internet with a $40 pricetag product. A newbie will ALWAYS be able to break into the industry and make money from day 1.
                                                                                  It will get harder and harder, even today I'm sure that many people try but are failing as we speak. I'm wondering if your statement will stick 20 years from now.

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                                                                                    • TSGlider
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                                                                                      • Aug 2006
                                                                                      • 673
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      I got into this biz in '97, ducked out in '02, returned in '05. Still strikes me as fast-moving, youthful, vital. Harder to make a buck? Certainly. But far from mature.

                                                                                      Guess a good question is, "What's an example of a mature industry?" Define it then compare the two.
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                                                                                        • squishypimp
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                                                                                          • Aug 2006
                                                                                          • 10781
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          adult wont be called mature for a very long time.

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                                                                                            • jayeff
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                                                                                              • May 2001
                                                                                              • 2944
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              For the answer to the question posed by this thread, you need only look at what has been the "star" topic for the past week.

                                                                                              That the scumware issue didn't simply disappear in a couple of days is a sign that we are beginning to mature. But the lack of participation in the topic is a sign of how far there is to go.

                                                                                              I would guess at a further 5-10 years before the cowboys in this business are largely sidelined and we can begin to call ourselves "mature".

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