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  • Extreme John
    Confirmed User
    • Apr 2002
    • 1475

    #1

    Extreme Paychecks Us2257 Announcment

    Ill start off by saying I hope everyone is doing well through the crazy times of 2257. Many of our affiliates have been contacting us and awaiting our response in regards to the US2257 Regs that will go into effect on June 23, 2005. I appreciate your patience in awaiting our response, the extra time we took allowed us to have setup a clear path in regards to how we were going to handle everything from our Content Producers, Models and ofcourse our Valued Affiliates. Below you will find all of the information I believe you might need, ofcourse if you have any questions I will visit this thread on a daily basis to answer any questions you might have, Extreme Paychecks has been working closely with our Affiliates and other business partners for over 6 years and will continue to do so moving forward.

    Extreme Paychecks will verify full compliance in regards to US2257 no Later than June 15, 2005 we are in excellent standing as of right now and just working on the entering the database files, url's etc.

    Extreme Paychecks will close the following sites which are much older in nature and many producers are no longer available for contact. The following sites will close on June 15, 2005 and all of your traffic and codes will be sent to one of our High Converting sites so you wont lose any sales or have to look back to change existing URL's.
    Filthy Nurses
    Leg Addiction
    Massive Racks
    Shrink Wrap Slut
    Uniform Tramps
    Xtreme Pantyhose
    Wet Lip Fetish
    Young American Slut
    Teens in Slips

    In regards to Extreme Paychecks Affiliates using our Free Promotional Content:
    Any affiliate using or wanting to use Extreme Paychecks content ofcourse fall under the term "Secondary Producer", Extreme Paychecks has always communicated with our models in regards to the fact that we have the right to Distribute a copy of Photo ID to any "Secondary Producer" through our model release forms. For any affiliate using our Free Promotional Content please visit http://www.extremepaychecks.com/idrequest.htm and fill in all information so that we can cross referance the model your using along with the ID you will need to be 2257 Compliant as a "Secondary Producer". We will work quickly to get this information out to every affiliate that needs it prior to the June 23, 2005 Deadline (allowing transmission through Fax will make this process much quicker). In the event that the content you are requesting "Secondary Producer" information for either no longer exists or was filmed by an outside producer that no longer exists you will be expected to change the content of the gallery or site to one of our other content packs so you are still 2257 Compliant. Any affiliate using Free Promotional Content that DOES NOT submit a request as a "Secondary producer" under the link above should realize that they will NOT be covered as a "Secondary Producer" ,Extreme Paychecks will file all requests for all possible inspection purposes, and not be held liable for any Affiliates not requesting the proper information.

    Any Affiliates currently using Extreme Paychecks for Free Hosting should create a "Support Ticket" Immediatley so we can aid you in being US2257 Compliant ASAP Create Support Ticket we will begin removing Free Hosted Content on Affiliate Servers on June 15, 2005 if no contact is made to Extreme Paychecks.

    If you need to contact us directly to answer any questions you can do so through email, support ticket or ICQ (we will get to everyone, please keep in mind that we are working with a large number of affiliate questions so please be patient with response times). Best of luck to everyone moving forward.

    Nate - Icq: 127142695
    Eric - Icq: 276203300
    Chris - Icq: 157-524-867
    Robyn - Icq: 335-871-729
    John - Icq: 51299342
    Florida Honnies - Extreme John


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  • Alex
    So Fucking Banned (YEA!!)
    • Jun 2004
    • 10963

    #2
    Nicely done. Wish more sponsors would provide this.
    Care about me?
    Who?
    Me!
    Who?

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    • Ice
      Confirmed User
      • Nov 2002
      • 26053

      #3
      Great job...
      icq 1904905

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      • baddog
        So Fucking Banned
        • Apr 2001
        • 107089

        #4
        good move

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        • FilthyRob
          Confirmed User
          • Feb 2004
          • 6741

          #5
          That's what I think a lot of sponsors will do. Good job John.
          AKA - Clubsexy

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          • Extreme John
            Confirmed User
            • Apr 2002
            • 1475

            #6
            Thank you, surely not bullet proof by any means. Answering any questions affiliates might have is the most important part for us from this stage moving forward.
            Florida Honnies - Extreme John


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            • vicki
              Confirmed User
              • Feb 2002
              • 1478

              #7
              Hi John, depending on just how old the content is ... take into consideration the 'grandfather clause' hon. You may not need to close them depending on specifics

              good luck and good work
              If at first you do succeed - try to hide your astonishment.

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              • wdsguy
                Ryde or Die
                • Dec 2002
                • 19568

                #8
                nicely done john.

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                • Kris The Knife
                  Confirmed User
                  • Feb 2005
                  • 481

                  #9
                  Nice... i wish my kickass sponsors will do the same

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                  • Gawdy
                    Confirmed User
                    • May 2005
                    • 397

                    #10
                    Great job, the best statement so far regarding 2257 and what it means for affiliates

                    Shame about Filthy Nurses I loved that site, will you be making a new nurses site in the future?
                    hello

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                    • Extreme John
                      Confirmed User
                      • Apr 2002
                      • 1475

                      #11
                      Originally posted by vicki
                      Hi John, depending on just how old the content is ... take into consideration the 'grandfather clause' hon. You may not need to close them depending on specifics

                      good luck and good work
                      We weighed that Vicki but to be honest my look at it was if the shits that old at this point it's not worth it, we can always re-release those sites with fresh content and a fresh look along with the proper tools for our affiliates in the future.

                      Appreciate the heads up though, can use it right about now along with a massive cold mug and Bud Light.
                      Florida Honnies - Extreme John


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                      • Doc911
                        Confirmed User
                        • Feb 2004
                        • 3695

                        #12
                        Nice move extreme john. I am making a list of sponsor that I will still promote and yours is at the top of the list.


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                        • Extreme John
                          Confirmed User
                          • Apr 2002
                          • 1475

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Gawdy
                          Great job, the best statement so far regarding 2257 and what it means for affiliates

                          Shame about Filthy Nurses I loved that site, will you be making a new nurses site in the future?
                          Filthy Nurses will be re-vamped (I would like to say by the end of the month), with fresh 100% Content and the proper promo tools to ensure that site converts for our affiliates it wont be gone for ever.
                          Florida Honnies - Extreme John


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                          • latinasojourn
                            Confirmed User
                            • Oct 2003
                            • 3191

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Extreme John
                            Ill start off by saying I hope everyone is doing well through the crazy times of 2257. Many of our affiliates have been contacting us and awaiting our response in regards to the US2257 Regs that will go into effect on June 23, 2005. I appreciate your patience in awaiting our response, the extra time we took allowed us to have setup a clear path in regards to how we were going to handle everything from our Content Producers, Models and ofcourse our Valued Affiliates. Below you will find all of the information I believe you might need, ofcourse if you have any questions I will visit this thread on a daily basis to answer any questions you might have, Extreme Paychecks has been working closely with our Affiliates and other business partners for over 6 years and will continue to do so moving forward.

                            Extreme Paychecks will verify full compliance in regards to US2257 no Later than June 15, 2005 we are in excellent standing as of right now and just working on the entering the database files, url's etc.

                            Extreme Paychecks will close the following sites which are much older in nature and many producers are no longer available for contact. The following sites will close on June 15, 2005 and all of your traffic and codes will be sent to one of our High Converting sites so you wont lose any sales or have to look back to change existing URL's.
                            Filthy Nurses
                            Leg Addiction
                            Massive Racks
                            Shrink Wrap Slut
                            Uniform Tramps
                            Xtreme Pantyhose
                            Wet Lip Fetish
                            Young American Slut
                            Teens in Slips

                            In regards to Extreme Paychecks Affiliates using our Free Promotional Content:
                            Any affiliate using or wanting to use Extreme Paychecks content ofcourse fall under the term "Secondary Producer", Extreme Paychecks has always communicated with our models in regards to the fact that we have the right to Distribute a copy of Photo ID to any "Secondary Producer" through our model release forms. For any affiliate using our Free Promotional Content please visit http://www.extremepaychecks.com/idrequest.htm and fill in all information so that we can cross referance the model your using along with the ID you will need to be 2257 Compliant as a "Secondary Producer". We will work quickly to get this information out to every affiliate that needs it prior to the June 23, 2005 Deadline (allowing transmission through Fax will make this process much quicker). In the event that the content you are requesting "Secondary Producer" information for either no longer exists or was filmed by an outside producer that no longer exists you will be expected to change the content of the gallery or site to one of our other content packs so you are still 2257 Compliant. Any affiliate using Free Promotional Content that DOES NOT submit a request as a "Secondary producer" under the link above should realize that they will NOT be covered as a "Secondary Producer" ,Extreme Paychecks will file all requests for all possible inspection purposes, and not be held liable for any Affiliates not requesting the proper information.

                            Any Affiliates currently using Extreme Paychecks for Free Hosting should create a "Support Ticket" Immediatley so we can aid you in being US2257 Compliant ASAP Create Support Ticket we will begin removing Free Hosted Content on Affiliate Servers on June 15, 2005 if no contact is made to Extreme Paychecks.

                            If you need to contact us directly to answer any questions you can do so through email, support ticket or ICQ (we will get to everyone, please keep in mind that we are working with a large number of affiliate questions so please be patient with response times). Best of luck to everyone moving forward.

                            Nate - Icq: 127142695
                            Eric - Icq: 276203300
                            Chris - Icq: 157-524-867
                            Robyn - Icq: 335-871-729
                            John - Icq: 51299342

                            well, that's one that is trying to do it to the letter of the law. i'll give him credit for that...and i could be wrong, but it's the only one i've seen yet.

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                            • NTSS
                              Confirmed User
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 5688

                              #15
                              Thanks for the notice
                              ICQ: 150-803-430
                              Email: marketing7(at)cox(dot)net

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                              • TheSenator
                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 13330

                                #16
                                Nice....this is the way to go.
                                ISeekGirls.com since 2005

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                                • XPorn
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • May 2003
                                  • 912

                                  #17
                                  What about banners? Covering those??
                                  Thought about those?

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                                  • wjxxx
                                    So Fucking Banned
                                    • Feb 2005
                                    • 4448

                                    #18
                                    good move

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                                    • xXxtreme2005
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Feb 2005
                                      • 717

                                      #19
                                      nice job!


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                                      • Extreme John
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Apr 2002
                                        • 1475

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by XPorn
                                        What about banners? Covering those??
                                        Thought about those?

                                        XPorn
                                        Thank you for the reminder, no matter how many times you re-read shit your bound to forget something.

                                        By the end of this week all banners currently in the Extreme Paychecks program will be deleted, new banners will than be created and put in place, at which point the idrequest page I linked will have a Banner ID Request field in order to cover the new banners.

                                        If you do currently use EP Banners you can always contact one of us directly to view the banner and we can make a decision on getting a new banner created for your use with proper 2257 Info or give you the proper 2257 info for the existing banner if possible.
                                        Florida Honnies - Extreme John


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                                        • Fleshlight
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Dec 2002
                                          • 127

                                          #21
                                          Answering any questions affiliates might have is the most important part for us from this stage moving forward.
                                          I think sponsors like Extremepaychecks will see many new affiliates signup as a result of 2257.
                                          Last edited by Fleshlight; 06-06-2005, 05:03 PM.

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                                          • boneprone
                                            Hall Of Fame
                                            • Jan 2001
                                            • 34415

                                            #22
                                            Hey my brother.. We go way back..
                                            Nice work on this man..

                                            Ill have to delete and blacklist a lot of the hosted gallereis of other sponsors I have in my databases and replace them with your shit..

                                            This is good to hear.. Way to evolve and adapt.

                                            Good news is I can keep it in the family.

                                            Ill talk to you sometime personally when things calm down..

                                            But nice work bro..

                                            Boneprone Approved.
                                            Last edited by boneprone; 06-06-2005, 05:08 PM.

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                                            Bow to the Power - Still BP4L
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                                            • shermo

                                              #23
                                              Great news to hear. I didn't want to remove your galleries, and now I don't have to!

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                                              • boneprone
                                                Hall Of Fame
                                                • Jan 2001
                                                • 34415

                                                #24
                                                This is big.. Real big..

                                                Great great news for affilates.

                                                Hopefully other sponsors follow.. If not they are going to loose a lot of affilates..

                                                For someone like me its easy for me to work deals behind the scenes with sponsors and get the necsarry documentation, well because Im boneprone.. But for the avarage affilate, a lot of sponosrs may not be willing to share this kind of documentation with just anyone, and they are just left out in the cold as an affilate.

                                                Its great to see someone like John making the first step to appease ALL of his affilates and more importantly future affilates to come.
                                                Last edited by boneprone; 06-06-2005, 05:14 PM.

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                                                Bow to the Power - Still BP4L
                                                http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame
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                                                • Extreme John
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Apr 2002
                                                  • 1475

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by boneprone
                                                  This is big.. Real big..

                                                  Great great news for affilates.

                                                  Hopefully other sponsors follow.. If not they are going to loose a lot of affilates..

                                                  For someone like me its easy for me to work deals behind the scenes with sponsors and get the necsarry documentation, well because Im boneprone.. But for the avarage affilate, a lot of sponosrs may not be willing to share this kind of documentation with just anyone, and they are just left out in the cold as an affilate.

                                                  Its great to see someone like John making the first step to appease ALL of his affilates and more importantly future affilates to come.
                                                  Thanks bro appreciate the BP4L Backing, and yeah man we go way back, shits changed quick hasnt it

                                                  Bottom line EP is what it's affiliates make it, we have always understood that and will always understand that.
                                                  Florida Honnies - Extreme John


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                                                  • lagwagon
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                    • 8464

                                                    #26
                                                    We are going to have to supply the ID's

                                                    FTVGirls - FTVMilfs - DanielleFTV

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                                                    • boneprone
                                                      Hall Of Fame
                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                      • 34415

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by lagwagon
                                                      We are going to have to supply the ID's
                                                      can you guys black out the addresses and just have the DOB's for secondary producers (affilates)??

                                                      That way privacy is somewhat obtained for the performers, and secondarys are covered somewhat??
                                                      Last edited by boneprone; 06-06-2005, 05:22 PM.

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                                                      Bow to the Power - Still BP4L
                                                      http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame
                                                      Learn about it kids.

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                                                      • fuzzylogic
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Jun 2004
                                                        • 4796

                                                        #28
                                                        it is so insane that gallery makers (those who submit) and hosts (tgp) are considered secondary producers.

                                                        it is just mind boggling how much this changes things


                                                        as for the id's, we will be faxed driver licences or other picture id's of the models we wish to promote?

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                                                        • Extreme John
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Apr 2002
                                                          • 1475

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by boneprone
                                                          can you guys black out the addresses and just have the DOB's for secondary producers (affilates)??

                                                          That way privacy is somewhat obtained for the performers, and secondarys are covered somewhat??
                                                          Yes that is exactly how ID's will be sent, nowhere does the Us2257 state that an address must be obtained or shared.
                                                          Florida Honnies - Extreme John


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                                                          • boneprone
                                                            Hall Of Fame
                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                            • 34415

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Extreme John
                                                            Yes that is exactly how ID's will be sent, nowhere does the Us2257 state that an address must be obtained or shared.
                                                            Well there we go..............

                                                            Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones
                                                            Bow to the Power - Still BP4L
                                                            http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame
                                                            Learn about it kids.

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                                                            • dopeman
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Jan 2005
                                                              • 294

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Extreme John
                                                              Yes that is exactly how ID's will be sent, nowhere does the Us2257 state that an address must be obtained or shared.
                                                              i think they do

                                                              Another commenter proposed that secondary producers be required to
                                                              store sanitized (i.e., without personal information such as home
                                                              address) hard or digital copies of performers' identification documents
                                                              along with a notarized affidavit from the primary producer stating the
                                                              location of the complete records. The Department declines to adopt this
                                                              comment. Although the Department understands the commenter's desire to
                                                              protect private information about performers from being too widely
                                                              disseminated, it believes that the suggested plan would be overly
                                                              burdensome on primary producers and add an unnecessary layer of
                                                              complexity to the record-keeping process.

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                                                              • Extreme John
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Apr 2002
                                                                • 1475

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by fuzzylogic
                                                                it is so insane that gallery makers (those who submit) and hosts (tgp) are considered secondary producers.

                                                                it is just mind boggling how much this changes things


                                                                as for the id's, we will be faxed driver licences or other picture id's of the models we wish to promote?
                                                                I agree it is insane, however regardless there's no choice so we will all have to do it and deal with it.

                                                                On a side note I hope that all gallery Makers and Tgp owners do understand they they are required to have the same cross indexing system that everyone else is required to have. So time is of the essence for all Secondary Producers to get their systems and galleries in order before June 23, 2005.

                                                                Yes we will Fax or Email the proper information for the models you are currently promoting or will be promoting at that time. We prefer Fax as we find it will be the fastest way to deliver bulk ammounts of ID's to our Affiliates in a timely fashion.
                                                                Florida Honnies - Extreme John


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                                                                • Donny
                                                                  As you wish...
                                                                  • May 2002
                                                                  • 13754

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Money over model privacy? Not me. Sorry Extreme and FTV. FHGs will have to work.

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                                                                  • Extreme John
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Apr 2002
                                                                    • 1475

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by dopeman
                                                                    i think they do
                                                                    I have gone over that Commented section of the law with my Attorney about 100x, there is no clear statement that says the Address CANNOT be blocked out, just simply that it will create extra burdin, burdin we do not mind as we will only have to do it once and have it on record for every affiliate moving forward.
                                                                    Florida Honnies - Extreme John


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                                                                    • boneprone
                                                                      Hall Of Fame
                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                      • 34415

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by dopeman
                                                                      i think they do
                                                                      Me as an secondary would be happy for the documentation John is and is talking about providing.. As an affilate just knowing its there, and having something like this makes me sleep better at night knowing I have it, and that my primary producer actually has the unsencored address version of the id on hand..

                                                                      As an affilate I just want something.. Something that shows as a secondary I made the effort to do what is right and got proper documentation that has proof of age..

                                                                      If any law wants to see more, which I doubt they are gunna come down that hard on secondary producers for clerical technicalities, Ill refer them on to the primary..

                                                                      I just to cover my ass and make an effort on my part want to have someform if id in hand.. I dont care if the address is marked on my copy.

                                                                      Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones
                                                                      Bow to the Power - Still BP4L
                                                                      http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame
                                                                      Learn about it kids.

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                                                                      • Extreme John
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Apr 2002
                                                                        • 1475

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                                                                        Money over model privacy? Not me. Sorry Extreme and FTV. FHGs will have to work.
                                                                        Totally understood, everyone will have their own take on this specific thing, our Models have understood from day 1 that we may share this information if we are required to do so for Secondary Producers. And Secondary Producers ONLY. We wont be posting the ID's in a public database for non-industry people to view.
                                                                        Florida Honnies - Extreme John


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                                                                        • boneprone
                                                                          Hall Of Fame
                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                          • 34415

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                                                                          Money over model privacy? Not me. Sorry Extreme and FTV. FHGs will have to work.
                                                                          Black out the address and such and keep the DOB visible.

                                                                          Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones
                                                                          Bow to the Power - Still BP4L
                                                                          http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame
                                                                          Learn about it kids.

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                                                                          • lagwagon
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                                            • 8464

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by boneprone
                                                                            can you guys black out the addresses and just have the DOB's for secondary producers (affilates)??

                                                                            That way privacy is somewhat obtained for the performers, and secondarys are covered somewhat??

                                                                            Yes this is what I am doing, I have the 2004-2005 present day contracts in my hands right now.

                                                                            FTVGirls - FTVMilfs - DanielleFTV

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                                                                            • blackmonsters
                                                                              Making PHP work
                                                                              • Nov 2002
                                                                              • 21041

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Extreme John;

                                                                              What about sites with simple text links to your hosted galleries?
                                                                              Do I need to get docs also?
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                                                                              • Extreme John
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Apr 2002
                                                                                • 1475

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by boneprone
                                                                                Me as an secondary would be happy for the documentation John is and is talking about providing.. As an affilate just knowing its there, and having something like this makes me sleep better at night knowing I have it, and that my primary producer actually has the unsencored address version of the id on hand..

                                                                                As an affilate I just want something.. Something that shows as a secondary I made the effort to do what is right and got proper documentation that has proof of age..

                                                                                If any law wants to see more, which I doubt they are gunna come down that hard on secondary producers for clerical technicalities, Ill refer them on to the primary..

                                                                                I just to cover my ass and make an effort on my part want to have someform if id in hand.. I dont care if the address is marked on my copy.
                                                                                It's an excellent way of looking at it, (not that I am suggesting everyone look at it that way), but if the time were to come when you get the knock at the door as an affiliate of any program if you have your documentation in order and have it to the best of your ability the chances of being reemed are far less, not to mention youll still have the ability to contact the Primary Producer.
                                                                                Florida Honnies - Extreme John


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                                                                                • lagwagon
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                  • 8464

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                                                                                  Money over model privacy? Not me. Sorry Extreme and FTV. FHGs will have to work.
                                                                                  Its not the money its the law

                                                                                  FTVGirls - FTVMilfs - DanielleFTV

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                                                                                  • boneprone
                                                                                    Hall Of Fame
                                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                                    • 34415

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    I think John's approach on this will more than satisify the likes of secondary producers like myself and the like. I could go right now and ask several of my tgp-mgp friends if that would indeed satisify them and Im confident it would suffice.

                                                                                    If it doesnt satisfy them, well maybe they need to step out of the MGP-TGP biz to sleep better at night.

                                                                                    Its a great relief to see such and effort in your part..

                                                                                    I thank you
                                                                                    Last edited by boneprone; 06-06-2005, 05:50 PM.

                                                                                    Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones
                                                                                    Bow to the Power - Still BP4L
                                                                                    http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame
                                                                                    Learn about it kids.

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                                                                                    • latinasojourn
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Oct 2003
                                                                                      • 3191

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Extreme John
                                                                                      Yes that is exactly how ID's will be sent, nowhere does the Us2257 state that an address must be obtained or shared.

                                                                                      well, if you read the comments area under subheading "privacy" the DOJ will not allow "sanitized ID docs".

                                                                                      however, someone forget to articulate that in the actual regs.

                                                                                      so i expect this may be battled out in court.

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                                                                                      • Donny
                                                                                        As you wish...
                                                                                        • May 2002
                                                                                        • 13754

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by lagwagon
                                                                                        Its not the money its the law
                                                                                        FHGs solve the problem. Force affiliates to use them or simply give out softcore content that don't require a model's real name to be given out to any affiliate/potential stalker.

                                                                                        I don't know about you, but the thought that an obsessive fan can sign up as an affiliate and then find a model's real name bothers me.

                                                                                        BONEPRONE: blacking out an address does no good. The models real name will still have to show. That opens up a lot of opportunity for a stalker.

                                                                                        It also allows thousands of message boards all over the internet to start threads like:

                                                                                        "Learn MODEL NAME's real name here! Let's find out all about her!"


                                                                                        NICE short term thinking guys! I guarantee I will not sell content to ANYONE that gives out IDs to affiliates. And models will progressively STOP POSING for you if stories of model stalkers start coming out.

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                                                                                        • Damian_Maxcash
                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                                          • 12745

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          I read it that Extreme wont be enforcing any of this?

                                                                                          That is purely discretionary, and each affiliate has the option of not complying..... is that correct?

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                                                                                          • ChrisExtreme
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                                                                                            • Apr 2004
                                                                                            • 993

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                                                                            Extreme John;

                                                                                            What about sites with simple text links to your hosted galleries?
                                                                                            Do I need to get docs also?
                                                                                            If you are not hosting images on your domains/your servers then you do not need the models documents.

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                                                                                            • boneprone
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                                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                                              • 34415

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by ChrisExtreme
                                                                                              If you are not hosting images on your domains/your servers then you do not need the models documents.
                                                                                              exactly.

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                                                                                              • bigdog
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                                                • 6964

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                i still think most models would have a probelm with people knowing their real name, even webmasters don't even use their real names

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                                                                                                • Extreme John
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Apr 2002
                                                                                                  • 1475

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
                                                                                                  FHGs solve the problem. Force affiliates to use them or simply give out softcore content that don't require a model's real name to be given out to any affiliate/potential stalker.

                                                                                                  I don't know about you, but the thought that an obsessive fan can sign up as an affiliate and then find a model's real name bothers me.

                                                                                                  BONEPRONE: blacking out an address does no good. The models real name will still have to show. That opens up a lot of opportunity for a stalker.

                                                                                                  It also allows thousands of message boards all over the internet to start threads like:

                                                                                                  "Learn MODEL NAME's real name here! Let's find out all about her!"


                                                                                                  NICE short term thinking guys! I guarantee I will not sell content to ANYONE that gives out IDs to affiliates. And models will progressively STOP POSING for you if stories of model stalkers start coming out.
                                                                                                  O.k, let's take a second to go through the REAL steps of what a possible "Stalker Fan" might do. Becuuse it's not as simple as signing up as an affiliate and freely grabbing ID's, how about setting up Domains that affiliate programs verify? Thats an added step , along with that step comes having some typoe of ability to place some kind of html on that site that seems as if it could in fact generate traffic and sales. Not sure who exactly you deal with in regards to Affiliate programs but we Verify every affiliate prior to them being able to grab anything, so again no easy task.

                                                                                                  As far as all those sites that can be started, thats very true, maybe the entire Adult Industry should sit on it's hands and prey and not pre-act or think or do anything else in regards to 2257 at all. And than maybe just maybe if we did that NONE of those sites would ever open. Reality shows that you dont need a DL# or anything else to find someone and stalk them people do it everyday and have been doing it for years.

                                                                                                  As for short term thinking, please do me a favor save that shit for someone else, I can assure you that you have no idea what any Affiliate Program has gone through in the thought process of this entire thing, and certainly no idea about my thought process. As for not shooting content for us, thats fine, didnt know who you were before and managed to live for 6 years without your content already.
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                                                                                                  • Extreme John
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Apr 2002
                                                                                                    • 1475

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by damian2001
                                                                                                    I read it that Extreme wont be enforcing any of this?

                                                                                                    That is purely discretionary, and each affiliate has the option of not complying..... is that correct?
                                                                                                    Might have lost me Damian been a long day, we wont be enforcing what?
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