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  • SmokeyTheBear
    ►SouthOfHeaven
    • Jun 2004
    • 28609

    #1

    Beat ZANGO and others ( for affiliates )

    Most of the solutions have been focused on the sponsor level , well i thought i would shift focus and try to see what affiliates could do to solve the problem..

    so i threw this little gem together ( any help would be great ) , keep in mind this isnt 100% effective but seems to be a good start anyways

    WARNING this is a BETA example. use at your own risk. not all sponsors may allow being promoted using this method

    tested on zango

    make a blank php file called go.php this is where you will send your traffic

    in this page simply put this

    <script src=stb.php?stb.js></script>

    now make a page called stb.php in the same directory and put this inside it
    ---------------------------
    <?php
    $ra = array("http://www.streetblowjobs.com", "http://www.cumfiesta.com");
    srand(time());
    $sizeof = count($ra);
    $random = (rand()%$sizeof);
    $top = ("$ra[$random]");
    if ( eregi ( "yourdomain.com", $_SERVER['HTTP_REFERER'] ) )
    {
    // do nothing
    }
    else
    {
    $top = "http://google.com";
    }

    ?>

    var blank=" ";function fill() {parent.main.location.href='<?php echo $top; ?>';}
    document.write('<frameset rows="100%,*" border=0 frameborder=0 framespacing=0 onload=fill();>');
    document.write('<frame src="javascript:parent.blank" name="main" SCROLLING="AUTO">');
    document.write('<frame src="javascript:parent.blank" name="hidden" SCROLLING=no>');
    document.write("<\/FRAMESET>");




    --------------------------

    tested on zango..


    basically what we are doing is setting our sponsor in a frame from an external file that cant be read by zango thus its not "readily" apparent where the hit is going..

    p.s. in the example im using random links as the target

    heres an example in action http://gfy.webspacemania.com/share/go.php
    hatisblack at yahoo.com
  • SmokeyTheBear
    ►SouthOfHeaven
    • Jun 2004
    • 28609

    #2
    im gonna test it out myself a bit and see if it works ill keep everyone updated..

    if anyone else who runs alor of traffic wants to test it by all means d so and let us know how it goes. if you need help customizing it let me know
    hatisblack at yahoo.com

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    • Nysus
      Confirmed User
      • Aug 2001
      • 7817

      #3
      Would be interesting for some high-traffic sites to try this out and see if there's a change in their revenues..

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      See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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      • SmokeyTheBear
        ►SouthOfHeaven
        • Jun 2004
        • 28609

        #4
        p..s if your lost in how you would use this , basically instead of linking a streetblowjobs banner to streetblowjobs, you would link it to the go.php and it would show the same site. only hopefully most ref code rewriters wont be able to scoop the sale
        hatisblack at yahoo.com

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        • SmokeyTheBear
          ►SouthOfHeaven
          • Jun 2004
          • 28609

          #5
          currently if you went to the links without using my method and the surfer had zango installed they would see ads for AFF and CAMS.com on top of the browser
          hatisblack at yahoo.com

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          • TheSwed
            Confirmed User
            • Feb 2004
            • 3483

            #6
            your example link don't works for me http://gfy.webspacemania.com/share/go.php

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            • SmokeyTheBear
              ►SouthOfHeaven
              • Jun 2004
              • 28609

              #7
              Originally posted by TheSwed
              your example link don't works for me http://gfy.webspacemania.com/share/go.php
              what happens ? browser ? os ? etc
              hatisblack at yahoo.com

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              • Damian_Maxcash
                So Fucking Banned
                • Oct 2002
                • 12745

                #8
                Wouldnt modern bowsers see that as a 3rd party cookie and not set it with normal security settings?

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                • TheSwed
                  Confirmed User
                  • Feb 2004
                  • 3483

                  #9
                  Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                  what happens ? browser ? os ? etc
                  nothing..just open the .go.php as a blank page

                  Os=xp.pro
                  Ie 6.0
                  NIS
                  and google toolbar
                  Last edited by TheSwed; 10-13-2006, 01:02 PM.

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                  • SmokeyTheBear
                    ►SouthOfHeaven
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 28609

                    #10
                    keep in mind its just a demo . in a working version you would add some code so if the user couldnt visit the site in frames or has java disabled it would just forward using meta refresh or something
                    hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                    • SmokeyTheBear
                      ►SouthOfHeaven
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 28609

                      #11
                      Originally posted by TheSwed
                      nothing..just open the .go.php as a blank page

                      Os=xp.pro
                      Ie 6.0
                      NIS
                      try view source for me if you would
                      hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                      • SomeCreep
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                        • Mar 2003
                        • 26118

                        #12
                        smokey you smart

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                        • TheSwed
                          Confirmed User
                          • Feb 2004
                          • 3483

                          #13
                          Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                          try view source for me if you would

                          <script language="JavaScript">
                          <!--

                          function SymError()
                          {
                          return true;
                          }

                          window.onerror = SymError;

                          //-->
                          </script>

                          <script src=stb.php?stb.js></script>

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                          • SmokeyTheBear
                            ►SouthOfHeaven
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 28609

                            #14
                            Originally posted by TheSwed
                            <script language="JavaScript">
                            <!--

                            function SymError()
                            {
                            return true;
                            }

                            window.onerror = SymError;

                            //-->
                            </script>

                            <script src=stb.php?stb.js></script>

                            ahh you have nortons antivirus on . i would could code something around that pretty easily.. try the link again and see what you get just out of curiosity.. ( i just added a link to it but you should see a diff )
                            hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                            • Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE
                              North Coast Pimp
                              • Dec 2005
                              • 9395

                              #15
                              thanks for the help......

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                              • TheSwed
                                Confirmed User
                                • Feb 2004
                                • 3483

                                #16
                                Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                ahh you have nortons antivirus on . i would could code something around that pretty easily.. try the link again and see what you get just out of curiosity.. ( i just added a link to it but you should see a diff )
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                                • SolidScripting
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Apr 2006
                                  • 120

                                  #17
                                  Bump for Smokey.

                                  Great focus and probably the best solution.

                                  Most sponsors engaging in this type of activity won't change if it's making them money.



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                                  • SmokeyTheBear
                                    ►SouthOfHeaven
                                    • Jun 2004
                                    • 28609

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by TheSwed
                                    ENTER HERE

                                    ok well for nortons users i would just make a forward and a link going straight to sponsor because nortons should stop the zango from working anyways
                                    hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                    • SmokeyTheBear
                                      ►SouthOfHeaven
                                      • Jun 2004
                                      • 28609

                                      #19
                                      so for anyone wanting to test this . you should add a basic html link to the first go.php file so it should contain this

                                      <script src=stb.php?stb.js></script>
                                      <body><center><br><a href=http://sponsorlink.com>ENTER HERE</a>

                                      the link would only show up to users who cant view frames or apparantly those with nortons
                                      hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                      • TheSwed
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Feb 2004
                                        • 3483

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

                                        ok well for nortons users i would just make a forward and a link going straight to sponsor because nortons should stop the zango from working anyways
                                        you are doing a great job Smokey

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                                        • SmokeyTheBear
                                          ►SouthOfHeaven
                                          • Jun 2004
                                          • 28609

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by TheSwed
                                          you are doing a great job Smokey
                                          thanks .. wanna just try it one more time so i can see if maybe nortons just didnt like the page format
                                          hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                          • TheSwed
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Feb 2004
                                            • 3483

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                            thanks .. wanna just try it one more time so i can see if maybe nortons just didnt like the page format
                                            <html>
                                            <head>

                                            <script language="JavaScript">
                                            <!--

                                            function SymError()
                                            {
                                            return true;
                                            }

                                            window.onerror = SymError;

                                            //-->
                                            </script>

                                            <script src=stb.php?c=stb.js></script>
                                            </head>
                                            <body>
                                            <center> <br><br><a href=http://cumfiesta.com>ENTER HERE</a>
                                            </body></html>

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                                            • SmokeyTheBear
                                              ►SouthOfHeaven
                                              • Jun 2004
                                              • 28609

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by TheSwed
                                              <html>
                                              <head>

                                              <script language="JavaScript">
                                              <!--

                                              function SymError()
                                              {
                                              return true;
                                              }

                                              window.onerror = SymError;

                                              //-->
                                              </script>

                                              <script src=stb.php?c=stb.js></script>
                                              </head>
                                              <body>
                                              <center> <br><br><a href=http://cumfiesta.com>ENTER HERE</a>
                                              </body></html>
                                              hmm strange that nortons would blobk a legit request like that its just a php driven javascript.. i'll modify the code so you go straight there
                                              hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                              • SmokeyTheBear
                                                ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                • Jun 2004
                                                • 28609

                                                #24
                                                hey swed i modified it a bit to see if i could get around that a bit more effectively . see if theres any difference
                                                hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                • TheSwed
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                  • 3483

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                  hey swed i modified it a bit to see if i could get around that a bit more effectively . see if theres any difference
                                                  no difference
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                                                  • Worldnet
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Feb 2003
                                                    • 996

                                                    #26
                                                    I like this! Only one question though. Wouldn't the search engines consider this cloaking since the html source code is hidden on the page?

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                                                    • Xenophage
                                                      Registered User
                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                      • 12122

                                                      #27
                                                      This is a very good idea, only think is I have found embedding things in an Iframe often causes a reduction in traffic, not sure if its a browser thing or some other softwre that makes iframes fuck up a percentage of the time or what i noticed this when embedding comus pages in an Iframe. But I like that you are thinking about solutions keep up the good work !

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                                                      • ThumbLord

                                                        #28
                                                        interesting to be honest

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                                                        • DamageX
                                                          Marketing & Strategy
                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                          • 14293

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by LegendaryLars
                                                          This is a very good idea, only think is I have found embedding things in an Iframe often causes a reduction in traffic, not sure if its a browser thing or some other softwre that makes iframes fuck up a percentage of the time or what i noticed this when embedding comus pages in an Iframe. But I like that you are thinking about solutions keep up the good work !
                                                          I don't think he mentioned using an iframe as part of the solution.
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                                                          • Splum
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • May 2003
                                                            • 6195

                                                            #30
                                                            Wouldnt a simple go.php which just does redirecting using the PHP header command work as well?

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                                                            • SmokeyTheBear
                                                              ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                              • Jun 2004
                                                              • 28609

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Splum
                                                              Wouldnt a simple go.php which just does redirecting using the PHP header command work as well?
                                                              no because the zango would pick up the location in the address bar..
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                                                              • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                • Jun 2004
                                                                • 28609

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Worldnet
                                                                I like this! Only one question though. Wouldn't the search engines consider this cloaking since the html source code is hidden on the page?
                                                                well i suppose it kind of would , but frankly the se's wouldnt be able to track it either..
                                                                hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                                • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                  ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                  • Jun 2004
                                                                  • 28609

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by LegendaryLars
                                                                  This is a very good idea, only think is I have found embedding things in an Iframe often causes a reduction in traffic, not sure if its a browser thing or some other softwre that makes iframes fuck up a percentage of the time or what i noticed this when embedding comus pages in an Iframe. But I like that you are thinking about solutions keep up the good work !
                                                                  a full solution would include detection of frames so if the user cant see the page it would go straight thru like normal.. as a meta refresh
                                                                  hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                                  • Xenophage
                                                                    Registered User
                                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                                    • 12122

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by DamageX
                                                                    I don't think he mentioned using an iframe as part of the solution.
                                                                    Ahh you are correct this is what he said

                                                                    basically what we are doing is setting our sponsor in a frame from an external file that cant be read by zango thus its not "readily" apparent where the hit is going..


                                                                    So I saw frame, but in reality it is a Script include, might work then hmm..

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                                                                    • Xenophage
                                                                      Registered User
                                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                                      • 12122

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                      a full solution would include detection of frames so if the user cant see the page it would go straight thru like normal.. as a meta refresh

                                                                      Might also be able to use one of those url rewriters like tinyurl


                                                                      http://tinyurl.com/ybgawq

                                                                      actually that wont work the tinyulr but you get he idea anyway

                                                                      I would like to find a solution for this too as all our google adbuys are affected. Wont work for our type in traffic though
                                                                      Last edited by Xenophage; 10-13-2006, 03:51 PM.

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                                                                      • biskoppen
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                                        • 5809

                                                                        #36
                                                                        I'm not 100% sure, but I think a site loaded in a frame or iframe is unable to write a cookie to the clients machine in Internet Explorer... = you will loose alot of sales
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                                                                        • RawAlex
                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                          • Oct 2003
                                                                          • 9465

                                                                          #37
                                                                          That this stuff is even needed to attempt to keep things working is totally fucked.

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                                                                          • RawAlex
                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                                            • 9465

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Lars, you are suggesting that Iframe ads might in fact lead to lost clicks?

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                                                                            • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                              ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                              • Jun 2004
                                                                              • 28609

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by biskoppen
                                                                              I'm not 100% sure, but I think a site loaded in a frame or iframe is unable to write a cookie to the clients machine in Internet Explorer... = you will loose alot of sales
                                                                              sponsors that rely purely on cookies to track are rare.. but you do have a very valid point, gotta watch and make sure your getting credit. i best way is trial and error testing and make sure the solution you use is going to work across the board.. would be silly to lose as many sales as you are gainging by using the method
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                                                                              • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                • Jun 2004
                                                                                • 28609

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                                Lars, you are suggesting that Iframe ads might in fact lead to lost clicks?
                                                                                i know they do. i had some threads awhile ago regarding realitycash / adult.com , their entire network wasnt giving you credit if the hit came from a framed page ( i.e. google images that you cant control )

                                                                                so if someone went to "big sausage pizza" in google images , found an image clicked the linkin the google images frame the affiliate wasnt getting credit.. ( pretty sure this is fixed . )
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                                                                                • tical
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Feb 2002
                                                                                  • 6504

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  im gonna give this a shot in a few
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                                                                                  • pornguy
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                                                                                    • Mar 2003
                                                                                    • 62910

                                                                                    #42
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                                                                                    • s9ann0
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Sep 2001
                                                                                      • 4873

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      I'd rather get 40cents an install than try and set that script up!

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                                                                                      • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                        ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                        • Jun 2004
                                                                                        • 28609

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by spanno
                                                                                        I'd rather get 40cents an install than try and set that script up!
                                                                                        pretty simple cut and paste .... about the same as you would to get the install code for zango.. , and i wouldnt count on zango giving 40 cents an install once they dont have any traffic to snake.. besides that they are tied to cp , so if you want to promote a company that promotes cp , then by all means, but dont say i didnt warn you..
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                                                                                        • FightThisPatent
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                                          • 4090

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          since zango is an installed application, its using like DDE, etc to pick up the URL from the web browser active window....

                                                                                          so couldn't you just pass the URL you want to send the surfer to a php script that sets up frames?

                                                                                          coding at the top of my head:

                                                                                          link on affiliate website:
                                                                                          <a href=FrameMe.php?url=http://www.somesponsorprogram.com/afflink/id=123>click here to get some porn</a>



                                                                                          then FrameMe.php


                                                                                          <frameset rows=1,* border=0>
                                                                                          <frame src=junk.html name=top>
                                                                                          <frame src=<? print $_REQUEST["url"]; ?> name=bottom>
                                                                                          </frameset>

                                                                                          the URL in the location bar will still show the affiliate website but the content will be the intended target.... but then those programs that bust out of frames, will just cause zango to pick up the URL


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                                                                                          • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                            ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                            • Jun 2004
                                                                                            • 28609

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by FightThisPatent
                                                                                            since zango is an installed application, its using like DDE, etc to pick up the URL from the web browser active window....

                                                                                            so couldn't you just pass the URL you want to send the surfer to a php script that sets up frames?

                                                                                            coding at the top of my head:

                                                                                            link on affiliate website:
                                                                                            <a href=FrameMe.php?url=http://www.somesponsorprogram.com/afflink/id=123>click here to get some porn</a>



                                                                                            then FrameMe.php


                                                                                            <frameset rows=1,* border=0>
                                                                                            <frame src=junk.html name=top>
                                                                                            <frame src=<? print $_REQUEST["url"]; ?> name=bottom>
                                                                                            </frameset>

                                                                                            the URL in the location bar will still show the affiliate website but the content will be the intended target.... but then those programs that bust out of frames, will just cause zango to pick up the URL


                                                                                            Fight the brainstorming!
                                                                                            thats basically what my script does , but i also went 1 step further becaus ethere are other programs worse than zango.. in your example above.. your going to run into problems trying to send nats affiliate codes thru that becaus eyou will end up with 2 "?'s"
                                                                                            also if there is actual html rewriting going on they are going to detect the url in the frameme.php?url=thisurlcouldberewritten before the user clicks it.. leading the surfer through your script with zango's code on it.
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                                                                                            • FileCabi
                                                                                              Registered User
                                                                                              • Oct 2006
                                                                                              • 5

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              If there is a way around norton I might just add this, cheers Smokey!

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                                                                                              • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                                • Jun 2004
                                                                                                • 28609

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by FileCabi
                                                                                                If there is a way around norton I might just add this, cheers Smokey!
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                                                                                                • RawAlex
                                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                                                  • 9465

                                                                                                  #49
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                                                                                                  • StarkReality
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • May 2004
                                                                                                    • 4444

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    You can get the tinyurl effect by just creating a directory, let's call it www.myfhdfghfsite.com/cumfiesta and then do a redirect permanent for /cumfiesta in the .htaccess leading to the sponsor...although I think Zango would catch this one ?!

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