About your 2257 concerns with model's addresses and so forth...
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Is it fact that one does not have to keep records of any kind for softcore (non explicit...just boobs...ass...and pubic hair...no spread shots)?When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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There IS an IGNORE feature. If you are so sick of my posts as you claim why don't you just fucking use it? You'd never have to read another one of my posts again. Explain that one? Perhaps I should just add to to mine. I mean if that's ok with you.Originally posted by AaronMCombine that with the fact that a lot of the posts you make are way off base...I'm simply sick of reading your stupid shit.
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Did you even read my post before you made your response? Wow!Originally posted by GatorBShow me where I mentioned the word PASSPORT. See that's what I'm fucking talking about. People getting pissy at me for thing I NEVER said.
As far all the full name well the 2257 requires the full name. WTF do you want ME to do about it? But if you have been shooting models you have to have that info already for years so why bitch about that now? And wouldn't a passport have a models name on it?SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.Comment
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You are correct. Shooting 10 years and never had one American girl give me a passport for id.... ever. Thousands of models.Originally posted by chaseForgive me for possibly wading in over my head here, but regarding passports....
as it was pointed out to me...even if from here on out every single model used a passport, it doesn't change the the thousands of model who posed before and used their state IDs.SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.Comment
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Same here, and I agree with AaronM, they want money Now. It takes a while for a passport, not to mention money, which they don't have, thats why they want to model nude 90% of the time.Originally posted by Shooting_ManicYou are correct. Shooting 10 years and never had one American girl give me a passport for id.... ever. Thousands of models.Comment
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????????Originally posted by thekingIs it fact that one does not have to keep records of any kind for softcore (non explicit...just boobs...ass...and pubic hair...no spread shots)?When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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Originally Posted by theking
Is it fact that one does not have to keep records of any kind for softcore (non explicit...just boobs...ass...and pubic hair...no spread shots)?
No, you still need to prove they are over 18.Originally posted by theking????????Comment
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Curious where you pulled this from. (just asking questions of course)Originally posted by ContentProducerOriginally Posted by theking
Is it fact that one does not have to keep records of any kind for softcore (non explicit...just boobs...ass...and pubic hair...no spread shots)?
No, you still need to prove they are over 18.Comment
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So does the full new 2257 compliance still come into play as regards record keeping?Originally posted by ContentProducerOriginally Posted by theking
Is it fact that one does not have to keep records of any kind for softcore (non explicit...just boobs...ass...and pubic hair...no spread shots)?
No, you still need to prove they are over 18.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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did you just take a hypocrite pill?Originally posted by AaronMI know and understand your sense of humor but suggesting...even as a joke...that my models are bums is not funny to me....Especially if a potential client reads your statement and takes it seriously. Remember...GFY if full of people who take things the wrong way.
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No. I am not an expert or an attorney. But from what I understand you just need a link to the primary producer for those sites just like the current regulations. Think about it. Say I shoot content of a girl topless. She still needs to be 18 for it to be legal in the US.Originally posted by thekingSo does the full new 2257 compliance still come into play as regards record keeping?Comment
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ummmmOriginally posted by ContentProducerNo. I am not an expert or an attorney. But from what I understand you just need a link to the primary producer for those sites just like the current regulations. Think about it. Say I shoot content of a girl topless. She still needs to be 18 for it to be legal in the US.
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Well...when I said "keep any kind of records" I should have specified as a secondary producer/publisher...and my thinking is the same as yours that one should only have to link to the primary producer...for proof of age...as I do not personally view ass...boobs and bush as being "sexually explicit".Originally posted by ContentProducerNo. I am not an expert or an attorney. But from what I understand you just need a link to the primary producer for those sites just like the current regulations. Think about it. Say I shoot content of a girl topless. She still needs to be 18 for it to be legal in the US.
I acutally consulted two different attorneys but it was out side their expertise and I got two different sets of thought...but both didn't really have a clue...about what constitues "sexually explicit" and or the record keeping aspect.When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
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Duirng my five plus years of shooting content for my adult sites, I have always had EVERY model fill in a 2257 form and provide ID just in case the law or interpretation of it changes (in addition to a separate Release form).
The most common form of ID is a Drivers License. Even if the address is not current or blacked out, with the Drivers License number and real name it would not be hard to find a current address for most people. I assume that is what the DOJ will use if they want to track down a person (or to determine if an ID is fake).
My hope is that the adult industry lawyers will prevail in striking down many of the new rules. In the meantime I am double-checking my records, cross-indexing them, and creating redundant back-up copies of everything (2257 docs, hard drives, etc).
We will survive...
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Lot of mis information in this thread.
The passport is very prevelant in the EU because only some countries agreed, I think it was The Treaty Of Rome, to remove border controls. If you travel in or out of the UK you require an passport or official ID, not 100% sure on the official ID as we all carry passports here.
Europeans expect to travel to more countries then people in the US, whether they do or don't is not what they "expect" to do.
The idea that models change their address is very true. They get the ID when they are 15 to 17, when they live at home. Aaron tell the girls you will be giving IDs to people who will distribute them to 1,000s and they are safe because the address on the ID relates to where Mum and Dad live.
That should get you loads of models.Comment
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Different here, can't remember the last time a model said she did not have a passport. But I think they are just as broke and in need of money.Originally posted by Shooting_ManicYou are correct. Shooting 10 years and never had one American girl give me a passport for id.... ever. Thousands of models.Comment
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Originally posted by ContentProducerNo. I am not an expert or an attorney. But from what I understand you just need a link to the primary producer for those sites just like the current regulations. Think about it. Say I shoot content of a girl topless. She still needs to be 18 for it to be legal in the US.
Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
Well...This part was right but that's it. " I am not an expert or an attorney"Comment
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Originally posted by charlyLot of mis information in this thread.
The passport is very prevelant in the EU because only some countries agreed, I think it was The Treaty Of Rome, to remove border controls. If you travel in or out of the UK you require an passport or official ID, not 100% sure on the official ID as we all carry passports here.
Europeans expect to travel to more countries then people in the US, whether they do or don't is not what they "expect" to do.
The idea that models change their address is very true. They get the ID when they are 15 to 17, when they live at home. Aaron tell the girls you will be giving IDs to people who will distribute them to 1,000s and they are safe because the address on the ID relates to where Mum and Dad live.
That should get you loads of models.
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OK, all of you, stop the fucking fuss about that, and order some custom sets. Our models are all European, unseen on the internet, they sign a 2257 release for any shooting, and they all have European passports, name and DOB and photo, no adress...Comment
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which makes me feel a bit for the people that then move into the addresses that the models once lived atComment
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Originally posted by sarah_webincwhich makes me feel a bit for the people that then move into the addresses that the models once lived at
haha - never thought of that. it rings, you open the door and got a load in your face just because you moved into Tawnees apartment.
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All you need is their full name
Aaron, good point, Their full name is more than enough. For the same amount of money as a monthly membership to her site, Mr Stalker can ... with models full name ... now run an advanced people search that tells ... her past 5 addresses, current and previous tenants of that address, her ex-neighbors, relatives in the same area, phone numbers, any real property she owns, number of times married, divorces, husbands names, bankruptcies, leans, judgments, internet names owned, arrest record ..... etc ...
Once you find that "Heidi" is really Sally Snodgrass you are ready for your first surprise date.Comment
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Originally posted by L-PinkAaron, good point, Their full name is more than enough. For the same amount of money as a monthly membership to her site, Mr Stalker can ... with models full name ... now run an advanced people search that tells ... her past 5 addresses, current and previous tenants of that address, her ex-neighbors, relatives in the same area, phone numbers, any real property she owns, number of times married, divorces, husbands names, bankruptcies, leans, judgments, internet names owned, arrest record ..... etc ...
Once you find that "Heidi" is really Sally Snodgrass you are ready for your first surprise date.
the name and age of a lot of girls are already know through sites like eurobabeindex or sportyone - so id docs without address do not add potential danger that not already existed.Comment
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That may be the case there, but it sure isnt here. No matter though. It will all come out in the wash im sure. Just funny some of the comments in here. Amazing how many people that have never picked up a camera or shot a model knows what one should expect from them.Originally posted by charlyDifferent here, can't remember the last time a model said she did not have a passport. But I think they are just as broke and in need of money.
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