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Originally posted by Lensman
I think it is great idea but what if someone else gets adult.xxx ?Comment
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Originally posted by dready
WHY SHOULD THEY GET FIRST PICK!?
i see tons of you saying this in this thread WHY THE HELL SHOULD THEY GET FIRST PICK!?
you dont own the trademark YOU DO NOT OWN THE .xxx domain!Comment
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the only thing I'm worried about is that there's going to be some backroom deal to 'reserve' the best names for some organization that will use the revenue for the 'good of the industry' and I won't be part of it.
If that happens, I'm going to sue somebody dead.Comment
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Yes, but TGP's need that traffic. Less traffic for them = less gallery spot sales.Originally posted by Alex
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Isn't it amazing how some people will actually SUPPORT efforts that will completely fuck with their business? Gee, can't WAIT for the industry to fucking VOLUNTARILY help bring about the one fucking tool censors have been missing for the past ten fucking years... a way to lump all of us together. Fucking brilliant.Originally posted by jimmyfcorrect
I guess money CAN buy people all the support they need if WEBMASTERS are actually here on GFY arguing that a "dot xxx" extension is a good idea. Amazing. Congrats Jason, looks like your money was well spent!Comment
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Because if we don't get it we'll tie the .xxx owner of our main .com domains up in litigation for the next 30 years.Originally posted by MetaManComment
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The road to hell is paved with good intentions.Comment
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Originally posted by dig420
well guess what!? that is just to bad for you, you should have done something this has been in limbo for years and years, did you speak up?
how do you always "tie" it to the .com? you do not ALWAYS tie it to the .com, there is tons of sites out there that the other extensions are more well known that the .com counterparts.
you cant have your cake and eat it to.Comment
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I'm not telling you what's right or wrong, I'm telling you what's going to happen.Originally posted by MetaManLast edited by dig420; 06-03-2005, 10:25 AM.Comment
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Update .xxx story from AVN
http://www.avnonline.com/index.php?P...tent_ID=229056
.xxx Raises More Eyebrows Than Excitement
By: MJ McMahon
Posted: 5:00 pm PDT 6-2-2005
TORONTO - Wednesday?s announcement that the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers has entered into commercial and technical negotiations with ICM Registry for the sponsored Top Level Domain (sTLD) .xxx raised more eyebrows than excitement. If all goes according to schedule, domains in the new sTLD will be available sometime between November 2005 and February 2006.
Although it is being marketed as a way to do away with child pornography and to keep minors away from adult entertainment, not everyone sees it that way. .....
It's LONG... click here for more.Comment
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I sale .net's cheaphatisblack at yahoo.comComment
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Originally posted by dig420
no no im telling you what IS, this will not happen the .com'ers do not have any precidence over any other extension unless they own the trademark.Comment
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That's the ONLY thing you're worried about? Amazing... there are issues much larger than who gets what fucking domain name. Every single one of you who is supporting this thing will have no ground to stand on and complain when efforts are made to make this mandatory. Those of us who are against this, however, will know who to thank when this bullshit starts fucking with our business.Originally posted by dig420Comment
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I guess short short .net'sOriginally posted by SmokeyTheBear
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Good ... No more minors sufring tgps and wasting bandwith . I rather have 50 % of my traffic then corrupt the mind of a 14 years old .Originally posted by APN Philip
How many % of tgp surfers are minor ? probably a lot ...Originally posted by rayadp05Comment
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Dude, if you sued me over your damn non trademarked domain I'd give it to the first philipino guy that wanted it just to piss you off. What the FUCK makes you think because you have the .com of a domain that you own rights to all of them?Originally posted by dig420
Do you have .co.uk?
Do you have .co.jp?
Do you have .jp?
Do you have .nu?
Do you have .cn?
Do you have .ca?
Do you have the xx other tld's registered?
What in Gods name makes you people think .xxx is limited to one country? It is WORLDWIDE and there is no way you can just assume ownership without a trademark. Even then you are dealing with foreign trademarks of the same. And if I happen to stumble onto one of your domains and register it, SUE ME.Comment
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.xxx is being pushed by some of the top players so they can rake in on the money .. bottom line.Comment
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Follow the discussion - we were talking about COMPANIES blocking them. Adults working at companies have credit cards and contrary to some people assertions, they DO buy porn while they're at work.Originally posted by Alex
Also colleges could block xxx - again, ADULTS using credit cards would be blocked.
Those are just two examples.
Will they find other ways to buy it? Probably. But porn is an impulse buy: if they can't buy from your site right then it's doubtful they'll write the URL down and try it again later from a different computer.Comment
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This is really nothing new in adult online history. People will always screw people over for a quick buck.
Anyway you look at it, .xxx is stupid. Its just a select few looking to make a quick buck.
I think .com's should be grandfathered, for this simple reason. It is the most popular extension by far and it was intended for commercial purposes. .net and .org although they were opened up for everyone, that wasnt their intended purpose.
For someone to heavily develop a .net wouldnt make any sense, when someone else would own the more popular .com and benefit from the marketing they would do.
People should tell xxx to screw off and not buy any.Comment
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Even if US ISPs block access to .XXX domains, you will always be able to access your favorite porn site by its IP address.. unless they block that too, but I highly doubt itComment
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Originally posted by Peaches
Ask your friendly paysite owners just how many people write down that site name to come back to later. They could pay 100% commission to affiliates on a brand new paysite and make a profit on the typins and people writing it down for later.Comment
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lol and how should the surfer know it?Originally posted by azguyI don't use ICQ anymore.Comment
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Originally posted by Doctor Dre
Shit man.... if you're worried about kids, TRY VOLUNTARY FUCKING RATINGS!! There is NOTHING whatsoever... I repeat... NOTHING... that "dot xxx" can do for "protecting kids" that couldn't be done with VOLUNTARY FUCKING RATINGS that already exist!! Self-rate your site, and parents can turn it off in Internet Explorer. Easy! Why do we need to pay $75 per domain name to ICM to accomplish what we can already do?
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http://196.54.THE.HUNOriginally posted by polish_aristocrat
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Same amount of gallery spot sales, less traffic, less bandwidth, same if not more sales.Originally posted by NoCarrierYes, but TGP's need that traffic. Less traffic for them = less gallery spot sales.Care about me?
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Oh great... so we'd all have to start giving out IP addresses? That would go over great in our marketing and search engine efforts...Originally posted by azguy
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The percentage of memberships bought at offices or colleges is small. The majority of porn is bought from home.Originally posted by Peaches
I dont know about you, but i as a webmaster, would never dream accessing a porn site or even any of my sites or GFY from a library or cubicle, let alone whip out a CC and order something. If surfers are browsing for porn at work they are JUST BROWSING, wasting bandwidth, not going to pay for anything.
With that said, i dont support .xxx at all. As a new TLD, sure go for it, open as many as you want, but i dont want anyone pushing me off my .com'sLast edited by Alex; 06-03-2005, 10:49 AM.Care about me?
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i can assure you some isps will block .xxx
6 months after its released they'll release an update with an .xxx filter thats default ON that takes a 15 line bat file to disable. it makes sense too, parents are too preoccupied with survivor to turn on the parent filters now, the isp will be helping those parents out. thanks aol, we love youLast edited by bringer; 06-03-2005, 10:51 AM.333-765-551Comment
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read the bottom paragraph
ICM plans to implement policies to protect brands that are already established in existing online realms, though what those policies might be is not clear yet.
?With respect to generic words, there is no party which has a proprietary claim,? Hendeles said. ?However, we will be implementing policies that preserve consumer expectations relative to established brands and to protect against abuse of trade[mark] or service mark rights in them.?If at first you do succeed - try to hide your astonishment.
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A Different Perspective...
FRC Voices Opposition to '.xxx' Domain Name
WASHINGTON, June 3 /PRNewswire/ -- The Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) recently announced a plan to create a ".xxx" domain address to house pornographic websites. Patrick Trueman, FRC's senior legal counsel and former chief of the U.S. Department of Justice's Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section, released the following statement expressing strong opposition to ICANN's plan:
"The new domain would do more harm than good. The '.com' domain has been a cash cow for the porn industry and pornographers will not give it up and remove themselves to the '.xxx' domain. Instead, they will populate the '.xxx' domain and perhaps double the number of porn sites available on the Web.
"The '.xxx' domain also cloaks the porn industry with legitimacy. The industry will have a place at the table in developing and maintaining their new property.
"Creating a virtual red light district may also discourage law enforcement from bringing obscenity cases on the notion that the problem is solved."
Patrick Trueman is the author of a newly released FRC pamphlet -- "Dealing with Pornography: A Practical Guide For Protecting Your Family and Your Community." The pamphlet explains actions that the average citizen can take to fight porn in stores, on the internet, and on television. A download of the pamphlet can be found at http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=BC05C01
SOURCE Family Research Council
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Yes, for the affiliates, not the TGP owners. They are going to lose the *traffic we don't want to talk about*.Originally posted by Alex
TGP owners don't want the .xxx because they know that their traffic is going to decrease.
P.S. "The traffic we don't want to talk about" = teenagers under 18 without credit cards.
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Trueman is right, amazingly enough, when he says that it wouldn't do anything to protect children. And if left voluntary, he's right that porn sites would populate BOTH the .com and .xxx domain names... I don't think anyone disagrees about that. This move does nothing but line the pockets of certain individuals and companies.Last edited by Connor; 06-03-2005, 10:58 AM.Comment
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Shocking this is comming from the owner of 'adult.com', a domain that will potentially be worthless in a couple years.
While I agree, it would make filtering sites VERY easy. I'll bet money that someday the government will pass a law REQUIRING all adult content on .xxx domains.
This is just the first step of sucking us in.Last edited by Xplicit; 06-03-2005, 10:59 AM.Comment
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Not if he has a deal for adult.xxx in place. ;)Originally posted by XplicitComment
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Why .xxx is not going to work.
OK, the augment is that all porn sites can go onto .xxx.
This would be fine if all porn sites were .com's, but many are on regional domains, such as .co.uk and so on.
So imagine say a Japan domain (or any other country) that owns the adult.dk (or whatever the Japan domain is). Now the Japan owner will have as much right to the adult.xxx as much as the .com owner (adult.com). Now think of the court cases.
Also will all .xxx sites sell for the same price. If I asked for xxx.xxx will the firm charge me the same as if I asked for doobydoobydoo.xxx?
Also on day 1 of the launch of these sites, there will be several thousand requests for sites such as sex.xxx porn.xxx, so how will they decide who gets them?Comment
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those names will be held and put up for auction, not by the compnay of course. this whole .xxx is about money, you thing they'd sell the prime real estate for the same price as dfadsfdsfadfadfasdfaporn.xxxOriginally posted by allanuk
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Agreed. This is my biggest concern.Originally posted by APN PhilipJeff / EENT, Inc.
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although he represents a completely different front, I am happy that he said itOriginally posted by Aly_AVN
I don't use ICQ anymore.Comment
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If anything, the creation of the .xxx TLD makes it easier to censor in the future, since it will be all grouped together.Comment
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It's no good.
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Originally posted by Lensman
Lens, how will xxx stop censorship when helmy is all about it?
pls explain
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Wake up people!! don't you see the grave error in this. Forget it being mandatory, that will happen and we can I deny it if we want, but it will happen.
Traffic- who cares.
Blocked at the ISP- will probably happen somewhere sometime sooner than you expect............ Oh and Lensman, I think you might forget that there is a large portion of this great country that does not have a wide variety of service providers. IE central Florida. It's Brighthouse or the outhouse. And they are not going to loose 20% of their consumers because they block .xxx . Not going to happen bro.
But the biggest thing I think a bunch of us are over looking is the label and what it can REALLY do.
Anyone play poker online??? anyone try to use your bank credit card to put money in your account?? A VERY large portion of banking institutions do not allow you to do this, it's their company policy. Bank of America, Bank One, ect....ect.... Whats to stop these individual institutions from deciding they feel the same way about .xxx as they feel about PartyPoker or PokerStars????? in short NOTHING.
While I will agree this will not Kill the industry, It's sure gonna hurt those who are not going to benefit from .xxx purchases.
Look at the big picture, and on how many levels you will be filtered on and by who...."We are told to let our light shine, and if it does, we won't need to tell anybody it does. Lighthouses don't fire cannons to call attention to their shining- they just shine."Comment
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Great find, Aly. I would have to say that the Family Research Council's opposition to .xxx would make them the perfect candidate to sit on the Board of IFFOR that will create the policies that all .xxx domains will have to comply with when this goes through. That's going to be a lot of fun. Yes, there will also be a few representatives from the adult industry on the Board too, but who will they be, and what percentage of the whole will they make up, and who will be the other Board members. Stay tuned!Originally posted by Aly_AVN
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I was actually thinking of posting the same thing today. I don't think .xxx is so bad if it keeps the goverment off our back.Originally posted by Juicy D. Links
If you have a super important .com or brand -- now is a good time to trademark.
I would also like to add that this would be fine if dot xxx would the cool goverment's jets on the 2257 issue. .xxx is something I can live with. Federal agents knocking on my door every month isn't.
I really think it is going to come down to us living with one or the other. I'll take dot xxx.Comment
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Temporarily at least. It would change current traffic levels and how people deal with porn. The upside is that it may go a long way in changing the mainstream view that "porn has gotten out of hand." From a business perspective, it would require new creativity and efficiency to make more with less traffic UNTIL traffic surges again (as people get acclimated to .xxx and move to ISPs that would allow it).Originally posted by APN PhilipComment
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I read between the lines... this may be an opening segue into pushing for MANDATORY move from non-.xxx domains to .xxx Only time will tell.Originally posted by polish_aristocratalthough he represents a completely different front, I am happy that he said itComment
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Sure, makes since. Hell parents don?t do their jobs so we must do it for them.. BS.. If kids can beat software now they can beat .xxx software blockers.. It changes nothing and creates more issues.
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Why should .com owners have priority. What if you have a .net or .co.uk or a domain name from another country. Do these people have no rights?Originally posted by Juicy D. LinksComment
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I'm against it. I think it's a greedy scam and it's not going to stop a single kid from looking at porn.
All of you who think it's going to help are living in a dream world. Think about when you were a kid and you wanted to look a nudie mags. There was nothing going to stop you. We would sneak into our parents room to get peek at them, steal them from corner stores and even trade toys and money for them with other kids. Why? BECAUSE WE WANTED TO SEE IT. Simple answer. And when kids want to see it, they are going to find it no matter what.
Everyone has seemed to forget that we were all kids once, and by doing that you forget who kids think. You can't stop a child from doing what he really wants to do. Could they stop you? Once the kid is smart enough to un-filter the computer mommy and daddy set up to filter out porn, it's on.
Even if everyone did get .XXX (which you all probably will), unless we are forced from our .com domains, it will do absolutely nothing but create sales for the new domain. If all the .com's are still there, what's the point?
.XXX will solve nothing.Comment
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