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  • Juicy D. Links
    So Fucking Banned
    • Apr 2001
    • 122992

    #1

    Question: Can VOIP phones like Vonage be....

    "tapped" without it setting off intrusiuon detection measures?

    Like a traditional phone line can be tapped but whats the story wth VOIP?
  • After Shock Media
    It's coming look busy
    • Mar 2001
    • 35299

    #2
    Everything can be, but seriously do you think they have the time?

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    • BradM
      Confirmed User
      • Dec 2003
      • 3397

      #3
      Originally posted by After Shock Media
      Everything can be, but seriously do you think they have the time?
      It's the US Government. Do you really need to ask?

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      • Relish XXX
        Confirmed User
        • Dec 2004
        • 4904

        #4
        Very easy to listen in on VoIP calls if it is running through a DSL line. Alot of calls are carried by VoIP on traditional syle phones.

        DSL by definition is a Digitial Subscriber Line where multiple people use it hence it makes it easy to sniff.

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        • Juicy D. Links
          So Fucking Banned
          • Apr 2001
          • 122992

          #5
          Originally posted by After Shock Media
          Everything can be, but seriously do you think they have the time?

          they will make time unfortunately.... but seriosuly anyone know about Voip technology and "Securing " a line?

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          • Relish XXX
            Confirmed User
            • Dec 2004
            • 4904

            #6
            Sorry shit got muddled up and thought you wanted to know how to listen in on a VoIP line.

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            • Juicy D. Links
              So Fucking Banned
              • Apr 2001
              • 122992

              #7
              Originally posted by Relish XXX
              Very easy to listen in on VoIP calls if it is running through a DSL line. Alot of calls are carried by VoIP on traditional syle phones.

              DSL by definition is a Digitial Subscriber Line where multiple people use it hence it makes it easy to sniff.

              hmmm what about cable connections?

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              • Relish XXX
                Confirmed User
                • Dec 2004
                • 4904

                #8
                Originally posted by Juicy D. Links
                they will make time unfortunately.... but seriosuly anyone know about Voip technology and "Securing " a line?
                If you want to secure a line get an SISDN connection.

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                • pstation
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 1135

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Juicy D. Links
                  hmmm what about cable connections?
                  cable connections are even worse since they're shared, your neighbor could potentially "sniff" whatever you're doing

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                  • cyberpunk
                    Confirmed User
                    • Feb 2001
                    • 1377

                    #10
                    do a google search on CALEA not only can a VoIP call be taped ISPs are required by law to install tap points. IT gets even better, no only could your ISP provide the tap it is quite possible and easy for your service provider ( ie VoIP copmay do the same.


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                    • Juicy D. Links
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Apr 2001
                      • 122992

                      #11
                      Originally posted by pstation
                      cable connections are even worse since they're shared, your neighbor could potentially "sniff" whatever you're doing

                      true true true good point.

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                      • Barefootsies
                        Choice is an Illusion
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 42635

                        #12
                        If you are referring to DSL VoIP yes, they can tap it. DSL runs over a copper loop (i.e. a phone line). It's just provisioned differently at the central office to use the traditional wasted band(width) of the copper pair.

                        As for cable, I would say the answer's no. Not at this time. Copper is shared, true. It's on a loop shared by your neighborhood, or area. This both creates the problem where someone on that loop could hack in (in thery) but would also make it harder to tap if there were say, 100 cable users on a single loop.

                        Nextel's can't be tapped either because of their encryption.

                        However, with systems like Escelon, and so forth they were designed purposely to track all forms of media.. phone, internet, e-mail, and so forth. Some have complained that the system is being misused and being used for corporate espinoge in the E.U. countries for industry secrets.

                        I guess the best answer for your question would be to do cable (like a Vonage for consumer), and get some additional encryption software/hardware.

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                        • pstation
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 1135

                          #13
                          If security is important, use skype; they uses AES encryption

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                          • pstation
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 1135

                            #14
                            http://slate.msn.com/id/2095777

                            insightful article about eavesdropping and voip

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                            • Babagirls
                              Text Writer
                              • Feb 2001
                              • 18812

                              #15
                              Originally posted by pstation
                              If security is important, use skype; they uses AES encryption
                              wonder if thats what mobsters use now-a-days..hmmmm




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                              • cyberpunk
                                Confirmed User
                                • Feb 2001
                                • 1377

                                #16
                                AES is the only crypto people should trust
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                                • Pete-KT
                                  Workin With The Devil
                                  • Oct 2004
                                  • 51532

                                  #17
                                  Yes they can easily be tapped and you wouldnt know and cant tell the differnce, we did a study on them in school.

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