Don't trust aga from Netpond with an escrow (or Slavik for that matter)

I hope they all work it out

Cliff Notes:
Aga and Slavik are still good people.

My experience is that Meat is an idiot, AGA is good people.

I hope Meat riding on AGA's back for so long did not brush off.

DomBuyer, my take on this is that it was Aga who fucked you out of this domain...not Slavik. Aga should have kept you up on the details and at the very least....offered you the opportunity to meet or beat any other offers. The fact that he acknowledged a deal with you and then sold it to someone else right out from under your nose tells everyone a lot about his character. Hey, apparently Aga does not care to have a business relationship with you in the future or he would have been a little more respectful and professional in this negotiation....so, now you know!

I like the quote that someone else posted earlier about the deal not being a deal until the check clears. That's about the extent of it as far as I'm concerned.

i have no experience with aga.

but reality is from what I've read I kind if agree with aga unless there was a solid verbal contract there which can't be proven but it's a character statement if there was one.

you know someone can change their mind

4 Things I learned from these 2 threads:

1.
You never should make a decision to sell a domain in a hurry.
You will most likely regret it.

2.
You should offer the domains you want to sell to several people since it seems that DomBuyer isn't paying top prices despite the image he has tried to create for himself.
(There is a huge diference between Dombuyer (25k) and Slavik (75k))

3.
You should always keep your word because if you don't it will bite you in the ass in one way or another.

4.
You should avoid people who love publicity if you don't want publicity.


The other thread:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=472599

A few questions:

Did the seller login to Escrow.com and accept the transaction there? If so, that may be proof of a binding contract.

Doesn't Escrow.com have a $10,000 limit per transaction?

No, there is not a $10k limit at escrow.com

Yes, he agreed to the transaction there. Please follow along.

I agree with three out of the four.

Where did you get this figure of slavik paying $75k for the domain?

You people are making sweeping generalizations about what I pay based on one transaction?

Many of you guys seem to be lost in the wrong emphasis point here. My job is buy domains cheap. It's called capitalism and I'm very good at it.

What I actually pay for a domain depends on about a zillion factors, and in actual fact, I am one of the highest payers in the business by any measure. If I wasn't I wouldn't have such a high success rate.

Next?

i had mad respect for you when you posted that informative thread a month or so ago

after this, all i can say is stop crying

he obviously thought that you were giving him the short end of the deal if he was exploring other avenues and i have no idea to what pressure tactics you were using when he apparently agreed

things like this happen to people all of the time and they dont cry about it on message boards, would you feel any different if he would have called you up and said, you know, i changed my mind about this, i dont want to go through with it, would you still have posted about it?

this whole thread you have been sounding like a little bitch

that sucks DomBuyer Pretty shitty of aga to back out and sell the domain to slavik instead. Maybe slavik didn't know about the deal you did with aga and he contacted him without mention it?

I've done business with slavik before with no problems

that is just one instance of contradiction

Well, what are the terms of the Escrow.com agreement to which you both agreed? Does it specify a California jurisdiction? If so, perhaps you can sue in California.

Boo hoo, poor Sleazy. Idiot.

Have you read any of your own posts on GFY ? Professionalism..

you, jfk and smokey are not domain-ish enough to get it.

I'm going to say one more thing and put this to bed:

There are lots of people both supporting me and slagging me. Thanks to those who have properly condemned AGA as the welcher he is.

As for Slavik, more and more people seem content to defend him, and that's admirable and understandable. Slavik has to me, in the past, and through lots of different deals, been a very good guy. I don't know him personally, but only know him through the deals we've done.

I'd also like to point out that some time ago, when I felt that Slavik owed me a commission on a large-ish deal, he immediately wired the money and solidified my respect for him.

Which is why this current situation had me so upset, and perhaps emotional. There's very little that anyone can teach me about the domain game at this point in my career, when it comes to the psychology and pursuit of good names. Most of all, I see it as a GAME, one in which emotion has little part., and these days, I rarely let emotion enter into any deal or dealing.

Scammers are scammers. Why would I care why they scam or spend my precious time hand-wringing over them or lost deals.

But we all have weak spots, and this particular deal, with a scammer on one side doing a backdoor deal with a decent but very crafty guy on the left...well, this one got me emotional.

More than anything else, it left me in shock. I really do think that Salvik snookered me. I cannot say for certain that he knew about my deal with AGA, but I suspect he did know. However, once he DID know about it, his explanation and ultimate shirking of me sealed my anger.

Many of you don't seem to realize that without escrow.com having a trap door out (which i did not know about after millions of dollars worth of deals), I would have sued AGA for the name, and effectively had the name returned to me from Slavik. It wouldn't be personal, it would be business.

In this instance, I also made the mistake of thinking that Slavik is like me: that he would see that it was me knocking, check with AGA that yes, there was an escrow in process, and no, I had not violated any terms of the escrow, and utimately make a deal with me so that everyone would win.

The fact that he paddled with me, humored me, and then ignored me, made very angry and disappointed. It's not what I would do.

I guess I expected more from this guy. It's not how I would have handled it. I look for a win-win to make people happy.

One more thing: All you armchair domainers who keep saying I was trying to steal the name @25k:

First off, get a life. My job is to get names cheap.

Second of all, Chris Chena sold three identical typos of download(s) for $60k each some months back. I consulted Chris very closely on AGA's name, and we compared traffic and conversions to the names he sold, and we came up with a max purchase price of:

$40k. That means the absolute highest we would ever pay for that name would be $40k. Others with a brain would value it similarly. So my buy price was creeping into the range of what most domainers would pay.

But of course, that's not the point

Bottom line is that all you guys who are busy defending Slavik and talking about how I have no right to implicate him in all this mess:

You're so wrong, and his brilliance is that you still don't understand why.

But I do. And our relationship won't be the same, which is too bad.

Back to business. I just picked up a couple of great names. Who want's em?

"Many of you don't seem to realize that without escrow.com having a trap door out (which i did not know about after millions of dollars worth of deals), I would have sued AGA for the name, and effectively had the name returned to me from Slavik. It wouldn't be personal, it would be business."

-So what your saying is you have no legal grounds due to the fact that escrow.com has an "out" or "trap door"?

-I honestly feel if you don't know for SURE that Slavik knew about your deal prior to his obtaining the domain that you are burning a bridge and relations with a good person.

"Which is why this current situation had me so upset, and perhaps emotional. There's very little that anyone can teach me about the domain game at this point in my career, when it comes to the psychology and pursuit of good names. Most of all, I see it as a GAME, one in which emotion has little part., and these days, I rarely let emotion enter into any deal or dealing. "

I think you learned alot from this situation alone! no?

Again, if you have legal grounds to do so go after it and get it back and show evereyone that you are right in this instance...

A contract is formed when competent parties -- usually adults of sound mind or business entities -- mutually agree to provide each other some benefit (called consideration), such as a promise to pay money in exchange for a promise to deliver specified goods or services or the actual delivery of those goods and services. A contract normally requires one party to make a reasonably detailed offer to do something -- including, typically, the price, time for performance and other essential terms and conditions -- and the other to accept without significant change. For example, if I offer to sell you ten roses for $5 to be delivered next Thursday and you say "It's a deal," we've made a valid contract.

Clearly you have a sound legal case (using your e-mail or icq transcripts). I contract is legally binding, but I agree that you are doing the right thing in not filing a lawsuit.

Because AGA from Netpond is threatening me with a lawsuit, I now post this retraction:

AGA is a trustworthy individual. There is no reason not to trust him, and I'm sorry I gave that impression. He merely cancelled an escrow transaction, which was within his legal rights under Escrow.com's agreement. Any impression I gave of him being a dishonest scammer was incorrect and I'm sorry that I intimated this.

So too Slavik. He's obviously not central to this retraction, but the thread title gives the impression that Slavik is not trustworthy, which is totally not the case.

That said, the circumstances of the transaction remain the same, and I leave it to all of you whether or not to do business with AGA in the future.

had you started a new thread about it i'd have to say 'sig spot'

I have missed out on this drama too.

The contract was formed when the agreement was reached.

Escrow.com is merely one possible method used to execute the transaction agreed upon in the contract. The contract is what matters . . . not the Escrow transaction.

Did you not have an agreement prior to initiating the steps at Escrow.com?

I thought you said that you had reached an agreement with aga?

What kind of legal action could he possibly be threatening you with?

I agree with Hey You, Escrow.com is simply a payment method, nothing more.

If there's a binding purchase/sale agreement, cancelling the escrow.com payment method doesn't mean that the binding contract disappeared. Seller is/was still obligated to complete the transaction, imho, assuming it was a binding purchase/sale agreement.

If AGA tells me you are someone to watch out for and a potential scammer .. then you are someone to watch out for and a potential scammer.

Aga and Meat are two of the most honest and straight up guys in this industry. I have done business with them for over 4 years now. Just because AGA is an owner of another board is no reason to publicly throw mud at him here.

If you had a leg to stand on you would have defended the lawsuit. But I know Aga wouldn't instigate one unless he was sure you had screwed him over somehow.

I'm glad your loyal to your friend, but you seem to have the burden of blame backward: Aga already admitted that he gave his word and backed out of the deal. I played by the rules. But don't worry, I won't sue you.

My retraction had to do with the language I used to describe him, not to the circumstances of him reneging on a deal. Those are now a matter of public record and won't change no matter how many fake nicks he launches or how many "Dombuyer and scamming" threads he starts.

But once again, I won't sue him for them. I suspect his reputation has suffered enough whereas mine remains intact. You live and die by your word.

Many, many of you have chimed in across various boards to ask why I didn't have a contract. I wonder how many of you actually play in the world of buying and selling domains. The only time you can get a contract is if you are paying an inflated price. If you are competing with lots of other people for the same domain and hope to get it at a fair price, there's no time for a contract. You write off bad transactions like this as the cost of doing business.

Plus, I didn't suspect that a guy as well known as Aga would ever welch. I was wrong, but don't crucify me.

That is what I was wondering. Are you saying that no agreement was reached? Nobody said, "It's a deal." Contracts aren't always written agreements. So, you are saying that there was NO mutual agreement of any sort (written, oral, e-mail, icq)?

Man, it's amazing how people don't read. Seriously.

He agreed verbally to the deal, and agreed through escrow.com. What the fuck more do people expect would signal "we have a deal" ? He's also admitted in this very thread that he agreed and then backed out because he felt he sold too cheap.

Only on GFY are the clearest of facts clouded by 1000 posts of nothing.

At the end of the day, I know all the people involved and they are all good people. Even good people have disagreements, and it happens.

I don't let any one situation cloud my opinion of people in the long run.

Alex

we all like 2 make money.. that's what it's all about, that's why the person reneged on the deal.

I use 2 do one hell of a lot of main stream business just on my word. If I gave you a price that was it, if I lost money that was it.

This guy is trying 2 make you and everyone else feel sorry for him pure and simple..

HAHAHAHAA!! Spoken so eloquently I could cry!

You are the one causing confusion.

First you say that you reached a mutual agreement with aga to buy the domain name for a particular dollar amount.

Then you say that you had NO contract.

I have tried to be as clear as I can that a mutual agreement IS A CONTRACT. When you say that you had no contract, it means that you never reached an agreement with aga.

So, when people talk about a ?contract? they are talking about your agreement (not necessarily a formal written document). Your agreement is legally binding. You can?t just decide not to follow through without risking being sued (even if it isn't a written contract).

You are the one causing confusion by posting contradicting information.

Anybody who might do business with any of these three should care (and that is a lot of people).

Sorry for my impatience. Yes, people have pointed out that a verbal agreement is binding, and yes, we had that. My point is that people have been slagging me for not having ANOTHER written contract independent of the escrow.com, and my point was that amongst people of honor, you don't need ten fucking contracts, you need someone to follow through on their word, end of story.

I want to end all this because I am very, very tired, by summing things up like this:

With me, you'll never need a contract if I give you my word.

With Aga, I would get a contract.

I am done.

understood.

sorry if I added to your frustration.

Seriously why bring this to the boards? You only wanted to damage 2 people's reputations. Lord Aga is one of the most respected veterans in this industry and you thinking that you have somehow reduced his credibility is laughable.

I don't know who you are, but all I am seeing is some kid having a tantrum.

Well he might have all the respect in the world.. But how good is his word now? he did admit he gave his word, does respect have anything 2 do with giving your word???

You are assuming too much

Hey I have a domain you might be interrested in welched.com

How so ?

You got seriously owned in your own thread.