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  • Connor
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2003
    • 1294

    #1

    2257 - No More Overseas Content for American Webmasters?

    2257 regs are seriously screwed up.

    https://www.ynot.com/modules.php?op=...rder=0&thold=0


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  • eroswebmaster
    March 1st, 2003
    • Jul 2001
    • 20295

    #2
    Originally posted by Connor
    2257 regs are seriously screwed up.

    https://www.ynot.com/modules.php?op=...rder=0&thold=0

    MaDalton...bite me ;)

    j/k but see it's issues like these that are making it so cloudy that people are wondering what to do and what not to do...and if I were purchasing content as an American I would just make it easier on myself and only deal with American content providers.
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    • Snake Doctor
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      • Mar 2001
      • 13449

      #3
      My understanding is that if your shooter and the model are not in the US when the production takes place then ID's issued by a foreign government are sufficient.

      If it's a foreign model on American soil, then only a passport or green card will suffice for ID.

      I could be wrong though.
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      • Snake Doctor
        I'm Lenny2 Bitch
        • Mar 2001
        • 13449

        #4
        Hmmmm....I may be wrong here.

        Quoting
        "....a foreign equivalent of the documents listed above when both the person who is the subject of the picture identification card and the producer maintaining the required records are located outside the United States"

        that's pretty fucked up.

        You think they made things this ambiguous on purpose?
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        • NaughtyRob
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          • Nov 2004
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          #5
          And the people on this board outside the US thought this would not affect them.
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          • DWB
            Registered User
            • Jul 2003
            • 31779

            #6
            No way on earth that is the case. They can not tell us where we can and can not work, or who we can and can not work with. The wording may lead to that, but I don't think that's what it honestly means.

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              • Aug 2001
              • 14486

              #7
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              • Adam-EB
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                • Mar 2004
                • 393

                #8
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                • Barefootsies
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                  • Feb 2005
                  • 42635

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Connor
                  2257 regs are seriously screwed up.

                  https://www.ynot.com/modules.php?op=...rder=0&thold=0
                  Almost as screwed up as 100 posts about the same exact bullshit over and over again.

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                  • Major (Tom)
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                    • Nov 2003
                    • 32492

                    #10
                    i would doubt the constitutionality of this

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                    • jonesy
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 6688

                      #11
                      Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
                      No way on earth that is the case. They can not tell us where we can and can not work, or who we can and can not work with. The wording may lead to that, but I don't think that's what it honestly means.
                      let me clue you in

                      if your a foreigner and are hired for a job in the US, legally you must have a working VISA issued by the gov.

                      Its all about taxes, not taking work away from US citizens and taking money out of the US..

                      that law has been there for ages.

                      and same goes for all european countries too. you gotta have work visas.

                      having been in the music business it really effects bands and their crews when they want to tour the states. Same goes for US bands that tour europe.
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                      • uno
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                        • Dec 2002
                        • 18450

                        #12
                        Originally posted by DukeSkywalker
                        i would doubt the constitutionality of this

                        Duke
                        It's being worked on. It will probably take a few legal stabs before they go back to the drawing board to reword it.
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                        • MaDalton
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                          • Feb 2004
                          • 39864

                          #13
                          Originally posted by eroswebmaster
                          MaDalton...bite me ;)

                          j/k but see it's issues like these that are making it so cloudy that people are wondering what to do and what not to do...and if I were purchasing content as an American I would just make it easier on myself and only deal with American content providers.

                          i try - hehe

                          but - that interpretation would mean that the US law is trying a regulation on something that is not even their business cause it is something outside their country (not that they wouldn't try it though like they always do).

                          but i read it as the producer (the primary) who is foreign can use foreign ids while the american producer is only allowed to work with american models.

                          which doesn't make sense too - but is probably closer than the other interpretation
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                          • Connor
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                            • Feb 2003
                            • 1294

                            #14
                            Good news on this issue:

                            https://www.ynot.com/modules.php?op=...rder=0&thold=0


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                            • JerseyPuma
                              Confirmed User
                              • May 2002
                              • 1149

                              #15
                              What I really dont understand about this section of the law is how it allows the use of foreign IDs for models as long as the producer (whether it be secondary or primary) also be located outside the United States. So...why the fuck is an American federal law addressing an issue that is totally foreign. How can the United States "allow" a foreign producer to shoot a foreign girl? They have absolutely no jurisdiction over either party, so it shouldnt even be an issue in the law. If they wanted to limit Americas from using foreign content wouldnt it make a TON more sense if they wrote to law to DISALLOW American producers (again, both primary and secondary) to use foreign based content, instead of ALLOWING foreign producers to use foreign content? Does anyone get what im saying?
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                              • BRISK
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                                • Feb 2003
                                • 12240

                                #16
                                Originally posted by ContentProducer
                                And the people on this board outside the US thought this would not affect them.
                                They probably weren't content producers
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                                • JerseyPuma
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                                  • May 2002
                                  • 1149

                                  #17
                                  So Conner, is essence what Obenberger is saying is that as long as you have a valid PASSPORT copy of the foreign model, you will be ok, even if you are in the United States.
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                                  • MaDalton
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                                    • Feb 2004
                                    • 39864

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Connor

                                    that sounds much more reasonable
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                                    • aico
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                                      • Mar 2004
                                      • 14748

                                      #19
                                      Just Photoshop all your ID's... Our gov't is a bunch of idiots, our FBI didn't even have working emails... We can't even keep mexicans from crossing a 2 foot deep river jumping a fence and selling oranges, you really think our lazy ass vote themself a raise patting on the back gov't is going to have the time or resources to even get into checking all this shit? They have absolutely no clue the of the magnitude of work they are putting on themselves, and once the find out how much work it actually will be, it will fall thru the fucking cracks. They seriously would have to set up something similar to the fucking IRS to run this stupid bullshit.

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                                      • Mutt
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                                        • Sep 2002
                                        • 34431

                                        #20
                                        it's just poorly worded. if the intent was not to allow American webmasters to buy/use foreign produced content that clause wouldn't even be in 2257 and there'd be another clause prohibiting it, and yeah, it would probably be unconstitutional.

                                        it's still screwy - what the fuck does it matter whether it's an American shooter over in Eastern Europe shooting or a shooter who lives there permanently?
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                                        • kernelpanic
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                                          • Jan 2005
                                          • 2961

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by aico
                                          Just Photoshop all your ID's... Our gov't is a bunch of idiots, our FBI didn't even have working emails... We can't even keep mexicans from crossing a 2 foot deep river jumping a fence and selling oranges, you really think our lazy ass vote themself a raise patting on the back gov't is going to have the time or resources to even get into checking all this shit? They have absolutely no clue the of the magnitude of work they are putting on themselves, and once the find out how much work it actually will be, it will fall thru the fucking cracks. They seriously would have to set up something similar to the fucking IRS to run this stupid bullshit.
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                                          • MaDalton
                                            I am Amazing Content!
                                            • Feb 2004
                                            • 39864

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Mutt
                                            it's just poorly worded. if the intent was not to allow American webmasters to buy/use foreign produced content that clause wouldn't even be in 2257 and there'd be another clause prohibiting it, and yeah, it would probably be unconstitutional.
                                            that's probably true


                                            Originally posted by Mutt
                                            it's still screwy - what the fuck does it matter whether it's an American shooter over in Eastern Europe shooting or a shooter who lives there permanently?
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